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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Novair ( 1I ), a Swedish charter airline, has launched winter flights to Colombo, CMB from ARN and GOT. However, upon looking on flight24, I was quite surprised to find that the flights are operated on A321. Does anybody know via where do they operate ? And what has happened to their 332 ?


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User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets. They have different places they do stopovers in. Some come to Sharjah in UAE and some go to places Like Baku in Russia. They do however stretch the legs of the A321 to the max with sector lengths of up to 7 hours IIRC..

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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
Baku in Russia

 



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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Ouch, that is a long time to be trapped in a single aisle charter configured aircraft.
I take it Novair do not have any premium cabin at all?

I think I have seen Novair planes before at SHJ in the past, so they are probably refuelling there on the way to CMB.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
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I think Novair's only A332 is leased out for the time being.

European charter carriers are quite clever in flying their narrowbodies on very long flights, a lot cheaper than leasing widebodies they might have difficulties filling. And there is not a lack of passengers either, charter carriers fly packed flights even on the longest routes - and Novair's A321s are quite nice, I have read on another aviation forum, hot meals, movies on drop-down LCD-screens, lots of duty-free shopping etc...



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

They refuel in Kuwait.

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Thread starter):
And what has happened to their 332 ?

Both left the fleet in 2007 and are now with Air India

Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets. They have different places they do stopovers in.

Travel Service flew PRG-BAH-BKK-HKT with a 738 in the past, I'm not sure if they still fly that route.
Arkefly operates AMS-BAH-KTM with a 738, also a very long ride on a narrowbody.

Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
and some go to places Like Baku in Russia.

Make that Azerbaijan  



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
European charter carriers are quite clever in flying their narrowbodies on very long flights, a lot cheaper than leasing widebodies they might have difficulties filling.

Another example is ArkeFly flying the 737-800 on AMS-HRG-MBA and even AMS-BAH-KTM!

A tad late I see....

[Edited 2010-12-12 06:18:59]


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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Thread starter):
Does anybody know via where do they operate ?

A few days ago, I saw this plane operated ARN-KWI-CMB.

Quoting KFlyer (Thread starter):
And what has happened to their 332 ?

They're leasing an A332 from Air Europa for the winter season only. It's used on heavy routes from Stockholm. I've seen it depart to HKT and SGN.

Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets.
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 3):
I take it Novair do not have any premium cabin at all?

They've got 211 seats in their planes. The "premium cabin" is the emergency exit and bulkhead rows. Everything else is sardine can.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
and Novair's A321s are quite nice, I have read on another aviation forum, hot meals, movies on drop-down LCD-screens, lots of duty-free shopping etc...

I'm sure the duty-free shopping is a relief for the sardine spending more than 10 hours in this can.

Let me add that, in the past, I've seen this plane operating to Brazil as well. I think the routing was ARN-LPA-Banjul-Natal. Don't know if they're still doing it this year.



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User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
Quoting affirmative (Reply 1):
and some go to places Like Baku in Russia.

Make that Azerbaijan  

I often saw a Novair aircraft in GYD last winter - even managing a couple of beers in the hotel bar with the crew.


User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
Make that Azerbaijan

I can never seem to get that right.. And too lazy to Google.. But thanks for the correction.

I have a friend who's flying the 321 for a Swedish charter outfit and quite often stays 3-4 days in Baku.. He tells me it's not all that bad, except for the time he had to spend Christmas eve and Christmas day there..

Another friend flying for Air Arabia tells me he sees a lot of Thomson and TuiFly at Sharjah.. But I heard the PAX are not even allowed off the plane. Just refuel and go ... And they're mainly 330s with 400+ packed in there ... And people wonder why I stay away from charter *shrug*   



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Lauda once used to fly 737s on VIE-CMB with a Mid East stop. So did OS too I believe. TK still flies IST-BOM nonstop on 738.
affirmative, mostly 757 ops they should be. Most 767s fly nonstop. Condor still flies FRA-BAH-CMB on 757.
Anyway, it's nice to see more charter operators at CMB. New ones this season have been Arkefly and Jetairfly.



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User currently offlinesimfanatic From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Condor will also fly FRA-BAH-GOI on 753's from S011 onwards.


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User currently offlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Hi

There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.


Also I think Canada 3000 operated a YVR to AKL service with a stop at NAN (and maybe HNL) on a 757 a few years ago.

Alex


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting richcandy (Reply 13):
There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.

In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.


User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting richcandy (Reply 13):
There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.

I'm not sure if they still operate it but AY used to fly from HEL to MIA once a week with a tech-stop in either Halifax or Bangor.. I think the total flight time was close to 11 hours...

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 14):
In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.

That must have been more like being on a Bus stopping everywhere.. Must've taken them 3-4 stops to get there.. And without ETOPS they would have to make some detour.. I made this (http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=ARN-KEF%2C+KEF-YHZ%2C+YHZ-FLL%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=60&ETOPS=90) test on GCM but I'm not sure they would do 2000+nm in a MD with a useful load..

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 11):
mostly 757 ops they should be. Most 767s fly nonstop. Condor still flies FRA-BAH-CMB on 757.
Anyway, it's nice to see more charter operators at CMB. New ones this season have been Arkefly and Jetairfly.

The majority of the stopovers in SHJ according to my friend is 767 and 330. I hear that they have trouble making the return trip so they make a tech-stop on the westbound leg..



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting affirmative (Reply 15):
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 14):
In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.

That must have been more like being on a Bus stopping everywhere.. Must've taken them 3-4 stops to get there

Just talked to my mate who flew on it.
They operated ARN-OSL-KEF-Gander-FLL, and sometimes on the way back flew Gander-OSL non stop.
They picked up pax in OSL.


User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

In the good old days Sterling Airways was operating Super Caravelles from Denmark (BLL-CPH) via SHJ to CMB

Peter



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User currently offlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

What is strange is that we sort of expect the aircraft that we fly long haul today to be a large wide bodied type. So when we get told the aircraft that will be used for a long haul route is a 757, 737, A319 etc we sort of thinking thats really small. However in the 1950's aircraft were much smaller and I guess no one thought anything strange about flying long haul on a 100 seater aircraft.

I wouldn't think anything strange in flying long haul in a 707 (except that they are not really in everyday passenger service), but other than Europe - North East Coast of North America I would find it a little strange flying long haul on a 757.

Alex


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 3):
Ouch, that is a long time to be trapped in a single aisle charter configured aircraft.

How about:


Perhaps the most famous day in the early history of KLM was October 1, 1931, when the airline began regular passenger service between Amsterdam and Batavia (now known as Jakarta in Indonesia) using Fokker F.12 aircraft fitted with four luxury seats. The trip lasted 10 entire days, including 81 hours of flying time. It was the longest regularly scheduled flight offered by any airline in the world.

http://www.century-of-flight.net/new.../commercial/history%20of%20KLM.htm

 



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