KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
Novair ( 1I ), a Swedish charter airline, has launched winter flights to Colombo, CMB from ARN and GOT. However, upon looking on flight24, I was quite surprised to find that the flights are operated on A321. Does anybody know via where do they operate ? And what has happened to their 332 ?
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affirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets. They have different places they do stopovers in. Some come to Sharjah in UAE and some go to places Like Baku in Russia. They do however stretch the legs of the A321 to the max with sector lengths of up to 7 hours IIRC..
TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1408 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2080 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
I think Novair's only A332 is leased out for the time being.
European charter carriers are quite clever in flying their narrowbodies on very long flights, a lot cheaper than leasing widebodies they might have difficulties filling. And there is not a lack of passengers either, charter carriers fly packed flights even on the longest routes - and Novair's A321s are quite nice, I have read on another aviation forum, hot meals, movies on drop-down LCD-screens, lots of duty-free shopping etc...
Both left the fleet in 2007 and are now with Air India
Quoting affirmative (Reply 1): I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets. They have different places they do stopovers in.
Travel Service flew PRG-BAH-BKK-HKT with a 738 in the past, I'm not sure if they still fly that route.
Arkefly operates AMS-BAH-KTM with a 738, also a very long ride on a narrowbody.
Quoting affirmative (Reply 1): and some go to places Like Baku in Russia.
Make that Azerbaijan
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JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4): European charter carriers are quite clever in flying their narrowbodies on very long flights, a lot cheaper than leasing widebodies they might have difficulties filling.
Another example is ArkeFly flying the 737-800 on AMS-HRG-MBA and even AMS-BAH-KTM!
A tad late I see....
[Edited 2010-12-12 06:18:59]
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They're leasing an A332 from Air Europa for the winter season only. It's used on heavy routes from Stockholm. I've seen it depart to HKT and SGN.
Quoting affirmative (Reply 1): I know a lot of charter airlines in Sweden operate the A321 to India/Thailand to/from smaller markets.
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 3): I take it Novair do not have any premium cabin at all?
They've got 211 seats in their planes. The "premium cabin" is the emergency exit and bulkhead rows. Everything else is sardine can.
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4): and Novair's A321s are quite nice, I have read on another aviation forum, hot meals, movies on drop-down LCD-screens, lots of duty-free shopping etc...
I'm sure the duty-free shopping is a relief for the sardine spending more than 10 hours in this can.
Let me add that, in the past, I've seen this plane operating to Brazil as well. I think the routing was ARN-LPA-Banjul-Natal. Don't know if they're still doing it this year.
I can never seem to get that right.. And too lazy to Google.. But thanks for the correction.
I have a friend who's flying the 321 for a Swedish charter outfit and quite often stays 3-4 days in Baku.. He tells me it's not all that bad, except for the time he had to spend Christmas eve and Christmas day there..
Another friend flying for Air Arabia tells me he sees a lot of Thomson and TuiFly at Sharjah.. But I heard the PAX are not even allowed off the plane. Just refuel and go ... And they're mainly 330s with 400+ packed in there ... And people wonder why I stay away from charter *shrug*
KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1835 times:
Lauda once used to fly 737s on VIE-CMB with a Mid East stop. So did OS too I believe. TK still flies IST-BOM nonstop on 738.
affirmative, mostly 757 ops they should be. Most 767s fly nonstop. Condor still flies FRA-BAH-CMB on 757.
Anyway, it's nice to see more charter operators at CMB. New ones this season have been Arkefly and Jetairfly.
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richcandy From France, joined Aug 2001, 696 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
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There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.
Also I think Canada 3000 operated a YVR to AKL service with a stop at NAN (and maybe HNL) on a 757 a few years ago.
Tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3694 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1698 times:
Quoting richcandy (Reply 13): There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.
In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.
affirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1646 times:
Quoting richcandy (Reply 13): There have also been lots of services operated by charter airlines from the UK to Orlando using a 757 with a stop at Bangor or Gander. Maybe not as long a flight as CMB but still over 9 hrs.
I'm not sure if they still operate it but AY used to fly from HEL to MIA once a week with a tech-stop in either Halifax or Bangor.. I think the total flight time was close to 11 hours...
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 14): In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.
That must have been more like being on a Bus stopping everywhere.. Must've taken them 3-4 stops to get there.. And without ETOPS they would have to make some detour.. I made this (http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=ARN-KEF%2C+KEF-YHZ%2C+YHZ-FLL%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=60&ETOPS=90) test on GCM but I'm not sure they would do 2000+nm in a MD with a useful load..
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 11): mostly 757 ops they should be. Most 767s fly nonstop. Condor still flies FRA-BAH-CMB on 757.
Anyway, it's nice to see more charter operators at CMB. New ones this season have been Arkefly and Jetairfly.
The majority of the stopovers in SHJ according to my friend is 767 and 330. I hear that they have trouble making the return trip so they make a tech-stop on the westbound leg..
Tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3694 posts, RR: 34 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
Quoting affirmative (Reply 15): Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 14):
In the early 1990s, Swedish charter airline Transwede operated a weekly flight from ARN to FLL with an MD80. ATC could never comprehend an MD80 flying Transatlantic.
That must have been more like being on a Bus stopping everywhere.. Must've taken them 3-4 stops to get there
Just talked to my mate who flew on it.
They operated ARN-OSL-KEF-Gander-FLL, and sometimes on the way back flew Gander-OSL non stop.
They picked up pax in OSL.
richcandy From France, joined Aug 2001, 696 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
What is strange is that we sort of expect the aircraft that we fly long haul today to be a large wide bodied type. So when we get told the aircraft that will be used for a long haul route is a 757, 737, A319 etc we sort of thinking thats really small. However in the 1950's aircraft were much smaller and I guess no one thought anything strange about flying long haul on a 100 seater aircraft.
I wouldn't think anything strange in flying long haul in a 707 (except that they are not really in everyday passenger service), but other than Europe - North East Coast of North America I would find it a little strange flying long haul on a 757.
kl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1535 times:
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 3): Ouch, that is a long time to be trapped in a single aisle charter configured aircraft.
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