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Two Airlines Cabin Crew On One Flight?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15576 times:

While there have been many cases of airline crew "Sharing" the one aircraft through interchange flights, such as Braniff crew flying a Pan Am 707 HOU-DAL-ORD with PA crew taking over from there onwards, have airlines ever had Flight Attendants from two different airlines working on the one aircraft? If so, would the "other" airlines crew just be there for the meal services, or would they fulfil the entire safety role?

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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15560 times:

I think this can happen when an airline wet-leases an aircraft, but I'm not positive.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15525 times:

As part of the Delta-Swissair joint venture/codeshare, many of their US-Switzerland flights had one flight attendant from the non-operating carrier as part of the crew. If memory correct, one DL flight attendant serving in that role was killed in the crash of Swissair 111, the MD-11 that crashed near YHZ en route from JFK to GVA in 1998.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21691 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15424 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
As part of the Delta-Swissair joint venture/codeshare, many of their US-Switzerland flights had one flight attendant from the non-operating carrier as part of the crew. If memory correct, one DL flight attendant serving in that role was killed in the crash of Swissair 111, the MD-11 that crashed near YHZ en route from JFK to GVA in 1998.

I was going to mention that exact flight, actually, which I took a few times between NYC and GVA. There was a DL representative onboard the flight - not sure what their duties actually were with regard to what sort of FA jobs they did, but they were there.

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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15409 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
As part of the Delta-Swissair joint venture/codeshare, many of their US-Switzerland flights had one flight attendant from the non-operating carrier as part of the crew. If memory correct, one DL flight attendant serving in that role was killed in the crash of Swissair 111, the MD-11 that crashed near YHZ en route from JFK to GVA in 1998.

My wife and I flew Swissair from ATL to ZRH, and it had a DL flight attendant. The return to CVG was a DL flight and it had a Swissair flight attendant. As I recall, she performed all the duties the DL flight attendant did and we chatted her up while waiting for the door to open. She said the only downside was that the layovers were lonely, because the DL crews were CVG based at the time so they went home, and that you wouldn't necessarily have the same crew on the flight back to ZRH as you did on flight into CVG.

DL had the same codesharing arrangement with Singapore at the time. I wonder if a DL flight attendant was on any of their flights.

[Edited 2010-12-14 19:47:04]

[Edited 2010-12-14 19:50:00]

User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15382 times:

Virgin Atlantic used to have 1 or 2 crew members of Malaysia Airlines on flights SYD/MEL-KUL-LHR when they had a codeshare arrangements.

When KLM operated flights in 1998-2001 MXP-SIN-SYD during the AZ/KL partnership there was one AZ crew member on the KL operated flights.

Not sure of any other examples.



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15367 times:
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I remember reading an article about how some Asiana flight attendants were put to work on Turkish Airlines' flights between ICN and IST back when they were still codesharing, in the early 2000's.


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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15306 times:

All of these examples are most likely for extra flight attendants than the basic required flight crew of the operating carrier. Cabin crew from one airline cannot act as basic required operating crew on another carrier at least in the US.


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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

Elsewhere in the forum, I recall reading that in the 1960's Continental Airlines used to market things such as "BOAC week" or "Lufthansa week", and on certain flights a "Stewardess" from the respective foreign airline would fly the CO flight. I've never seen any mention of this elsewhere, however.

User currently offline580FA From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15237 times:

I did the Skyservice USA operation as a cabin crew member. For the first few months of the contract, we used Skyservice airplanes and worked alongside crews from Skyservice in Canada.

Because the airplanes were registered in Canada, we (US-based FAs) underwent Transport Canada safety training and had TC qualification. We followed all safety requirements per TC, and all FAs did all duties onboard the aircraft regardless of their "home" airline.


User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15042 times:

When SQ and BA jointly-operated the Concorde flights between LHR-BAH-SIN (during the late 1970s), I believe both SQ and BA provided cabin crew for the service.

User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15010 times:

I flew once a SKYNET airlines from Moscow to Amsterdam and there were 2 Aeroflot flight attendants on that flight .

User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14933 times:

I do believe when TK wetleased 9W aircraft, 9W crew were onboard helping out

User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Quoting ag92 (Reply 12):

I do believe when TK wetleased 9W aircraft, 9W crew were onboard helping out

  


also when LH Technik were on strike and Lufthansa wetleased a LTU 332 to operate to Northamerica they was one LH F/A onboard.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14849 times:

JQ did it last year in the peak season. They used VC (Strategic) cabin crew.


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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

Air France flights to Tokyo operated as a codeshare with JAL have JAL cabin crew on board.
I believe the JAL cabin crew are not AFR Type-rated, so they only do customer service (as far as I am aware).


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2179 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14721 times:

KLM flew for several (20+) years with a mixed cabin + cockpit crew (50-50) with SLM and ALM on the mid atlantic routes. (DC8, DC10,MD11, 747-200/300/400) to Surinam and the former Netherlands Antilles.


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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14711 times:

I flew MH from KUL to LHR in 1997 and there were both MH and VS crew onboard.

User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14668 times:

IIRC JetairFly on their OO-TUC (which is operated together with Thomas Cook) has 3 JAF and 3 TC flight attendants operating the flight.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 13):
also when LH Technik were on strike and Lufthansa wetleased a LTU 332 to operate to Northamerica they was one LH F/A onboard.

It is pretty normal in case of a subcharter to have service crew on board to explain the service concept to the operating crew.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14669 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 8):
Elsewhere in the forum, I recall reading that in the 1960's Continental Airlines used to market things such as "BOAC week" or "Lufthansa week", and on certain flights a "Stewardess" from the respective foreign airline would fly the CO flight. I've never seen any mention of this elsewhere, however.

I think that was in the early 70's on CO's DC-10 and 747 service ORD-LAX. The food service would also reflect the "country" of the week as well. I remember this well!.


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14619 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 5):
Virgin Atlantic used to have 1 or 2 crew members of Malaysia Airlines on flights SYD/MEL-KUL-LHR when they had a codeshare arrangements.

When KLM operated flights in 1998-2001 MXP-SIN-SYD during the AZ/KL partnership there was one AZ crew member on the KL operated flights.

Not sure of any other examples.

When I flew to MCO as a child with VS, they actually had an FA from DL working the flight as well. Looked like some sort of novelty exchange so not sure if it was wider spread or not.


User currently offlineokay From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14487 times:

Back in the 1990s Finnair and Delta Air Lines had similar venture than the one with Swissair explained above. One Delta cabin crew member would operate on the AY's HEL-JFK route. They were selected according to their ability to speak Finnish. I remember talking to one Delta stewardess on the way to JFK. She told me she had moved to America in the 1970's, joined Pan Am in the 1980's and ended up with Delta after the demise of PA. I wonder if she is still with DL. This was the time when DL also operated the MD11, I don't know if this played any role in the venture, though.

In general, mixed cabin crew of two different airlines is not that uncommon, very often this is done in order to over come language problems in-flight.

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[Edited 2010-12-15 01:06:02]

User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14373 times:

EI did the same with DL. A DL cabin crew member worked on the flight between DUB-JFK. Also EI cabin crew used to work on BAe146s of Cityjet and Flightline. For a while EI had G-BPNT in full Palmair Flightline colours with Flightline cockpit crew and EI cabin crew operating EI Commuter services, for this deal EI also used G-OZRH and G-TBIC (the latter in full EI colours with an "operated by Flightline" decal under the cockpit windows).

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14273 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I was going to mention that exact flight, actually, which I took a few times between NYC and GVA. There was a DL representative onboard the flight - not sure what their duties actually were with regard to what sort of FA jobs they did, but they were there

These crew are usually referred to as 'flag carriers'. They are there under the codeshare agreement to show the presence of the 'other' airline. I remember EI and DL codeshare out of DUB/SNN in the 1990s. Each flight had an additional crew member from the other airline.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13921 times:

How about Open Skies and L'Avion? Wasn't there some sort of join crew operations for a while as they consolidated?

And also wasn't there a crew swap between some of the Virgin group airlines? I can't remember if it was between V Australia, Virgin Blue, Virgin Atlantic or Virgin America. I'm quite certain it dealt with an Aussie based member of the group and another member.



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25 ASFlyer : DL also had an exchange with Sabena. A friend of mine that worked from the CVG base was assigned to the SN exchange and would work on board the SN air
26 Post contains links ItalianFlyer : Yes, they announced the details this week: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Virgin...gin-prnews-729532797.html?x=0&.v=1
27 Zkpilot : Virgin Blue crew got to swap to Virgin Atlantic. Not sure if it worked in reverse or not though.
28 longhauler : I flew on that flight actually, the other direction though ... SIN-BAH-LHR. The cockpit crew, and the Purser were British Airways crew the whole trip
29 viajero : Back in the day, (1979) when Braniff was running the Concorde flights from DFW-IAD-LHR (BA) and DFW-IAD-CDG (AF), the Braniff crews would operate the
30 n9801f : Add a few more to the list: On an Air New Zealand 763 Nadi-Auckland, there was a JAL flight attendant aboard (1999). On a KLM flight ORD-AMS (1998), i
31 jetjack74 : World Airways used to have a hybrid crew with MH when they leased an aircraft from them back in the mid 1990s. World Air crews were on board for safte
32 european742 : This certainally does happen with Flybe, when they have leased aircraft from Cityjet, WDL, Titan, Blue Line and JetX, there has been that airlines cre
33 eta unknown : Sabena/British Caledonian joint codeshare service in the 80's: BRU-LGW-ATL operated by SN 747-100. Roughly 50% each crew.
34 Post contains images irregking : Back in the days Austrian Airlines had one (or two) ANA flight attendants on their A340's on their NRT and KIX flights helping out with the service an
35 swissair4ever : ATL was quite the station for SR/SN/OS during the height of Atlantic Excellence. At one point the line-up looked like the following: -SR121 ATL-ZRH wo
36 Post contains images n9801f :
37 nzrich : yes because the NZ-JAPAN flights stopped in NAN .
38 iairallie : Doing charter subservice we sometimes have other airline crew on our subservice flights. They only act in a service capcity and sit in a blocked off p
39 ag92 : Also actually just remembered IIRC you will soon find Richard Branson being a cabin crew member on Air Asia X from STN - KUL!
40 flyglobal : Asiana shares FA's with ANA (as I remember, could be JAL too, but believe ANA) on routes between Korea and Japan and vice versa. regards Flyglobal
41 Post contains links PresRDC : Sabena and Delta has a similar arrangment in the mid/late 1990s. If you follow the following link, the crew photo on the right most photo in the top r
42 YLWbased : some CX flights have MU's FA on it, they are there on a training program hosted by CX. YLWbased
43 Lightbug : Also true for Aeroflot flights with JAL cabin crew and with the TU-114 between Moscow and Tokyo way back when. This arrangement may have been more in
44 delta2ual : At DL, we had codeshare exchanges with several partners. I did the Sabena one from ATL for a year. It was fun at times, and I met alot of fun people,
45 Fly2CHC : Can you post a picture? Would love to see it?
46 AFCDGPTP : Wrong ! The japanese F/A's on board AF flights to Japan are FULLY Air France F/A's based in Paris such as the brazilian ones. But flights to Korea &a
47 macsog6 : Back in the Dark Ages of about the late 80's, there was an AA/AS interchange red-eye from SEA to DFW. I recall being on it once with FA's from both AA
48 n9801f : It was really classy. NZ and JL are two of my favorite airlines, and it was great to experience both at once.
49 aviasian : I have just flown on the Airbus A321 of Myanmar Airways International between Singapore and Bangkok ... F-GYAO was wet-leased from Air Mediterranee fo
50 airman99o : Skyservice Airlines was wet leased by Ghana Airways and Lauda Italia. Both Skyservice Crews and each airline were on the aircraft. The Lauda Flight at
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