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Saudia On Track To Join Sky Team  
User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

This looks to be getting closer to a done deal. It's a pretty interesting development. So long as Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are shut out of the alliances, Saudia Arabian is a pretty big fish in the region.

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The signing of a code share agreement between Saudi Arabian Airlines and Air France on the route between Saudi Arabia and France has opened the door to Saudia becoming a member of the Sky Team alliance. Airline industry sources expect Saudia to make an announcement about joining Sky Team as early as next month.
http://arabnews.com/economy/article215610.ece

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User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Well it looks like Skyteam keeps wanting to add new carriers to their alliance. I would think that Gulf Air would be a more reputable carrier to add to the alliance but maybe they don't want to join an alliance like EK?

Hopefully Skyteam can add a carrier in the Oceania Region because that is one glaring hole in it's network.

Regards
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Yes, things are moving. I have heard talk of an announcement in January. One even mentioned an exact date (11/1/2011).
I don't think SV will become members that quickly but I can see them getting formally invited. Active membership IMO is 2 years away.


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Do people believe that RUH and/or JED will actually be used as big transfer hubs by Skyteam alliance passengers?

Also, speaking of Middle Eastern members of Skyteam, what ever happened to MEA?


User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 3):
Do people believe that RUH and/or JED will actually be used as big transfer hubs by Skyteam alliance passengers?

Not until the KSA authorities stop treating passengers with suspicion and requiring them to prove that there was absolutely no way they could fly to their destination other than via Saudi. Oh and lets forget women travelling on their own!

This is more of a flag-planting exercise than a network-enhancing one.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4075 times:
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Quoting Cyba (Reply 4):
Not until the KSA authorities stop treating passengers with suspicion and requiring them to prove that there was absolutely no way they could fly to their destination other than via Saudi. Oh and lets forget women travelling on their own!

This is more of a flag-planting exercise than a network-enhancing one.

Think of all the pilgrims and expat workers that will fly with SV and SkyTeam partners to/from the Kingdom... So no, RUH and JED will not become like DXB, AUH or DOH but end-destinations. And SV is a wealthy airline.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1683 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Do any of the Saudi users have any idea what the up-to-date requirements are for travellers transiting through the Kingdom? I've heard so many conflicting rumours that suggests that it's not a fool-proof system.
BAH/AUH/DXB/DOH/KWI/AMM/CAI/MCT all allow passengers, irregardless of nationality, to change planes without holding any type of visa.
The official Saudi Arabian position on transiting passengers is:
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Visa not required for those
continuing to a third country, provided:
- continuing by the same or first connecting aircraft within
18 hours; and
- holding confirmed onward tickets; and
- all documents required for their the next destination.
Only one stop-over in Saudi Arabia is permitted, except when
flying on Saudi Arabian Airlines, where a second transit point
is permitted

Now-what I've heard is that Saudi Arabian immigration authorities still do not always implement this all the time, or only do so outside the Hajj period, and require extra clearance from single female travellers. And then, I've heard stories of people changing planes in Saudi without any issues. Whatr's obvious is that they need to come up with a single unified policy regarding transiting that is fully accessible to the travelling public.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

SV are a good airline and the planes are very comfortable in all classes.

Does joining a western alliance mean they will also be serving booze onboard?


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
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Quoting babybus (Reply 7):
Does joining a western alliance mean they will also be serving booze onboard?

No chance to expect alcoholic beverages on SV planes after joining SkyTeam.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I think people are confusing transit with stopovers. Directorguy posted the rules. You don't need a visa to transit.

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 7):
Does joining a western alliance

What makes either Skyteam, Star or One World specifically 'western'??????

Quoting jetlanta (Thread starter):
So long as Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are shut out of the alliances, Saudia Arabian is a pretty big fish in the region.

I don't quite understand your meaning. Since when are they "shut out" of the alliances?


User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 9):
You don't need a visa to transit.

Maybe not, but it's not exactly the smoothest, or most pleasurable experience either, is it? I wouldn't not be advising my sisters for instance to consider it as an option.

The last time I flew SV I got shouted at for speaking to the female air hostess in the galley. Apparently that's NOT allowed. You won't be finding me near an SV plane anytime soon  

At any rate, good luck to them.


User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 1):
Hopefully Skyteam can add a carrier in the Oceania Region because that is one glaring hole in it's network.

If anything, it's possible DJ could join SkyTeam.



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User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 10):
Quoting jetlanta (Thread starter):
So long as Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are shut out of the alliances, Saudia Arabian is a pretty big fish in the region.

I don't quite understand your meaning. Since when are they "shut out" of the alliances?

QR EY and EK are probably shut out, there is an article in flightglobal in Oct/Nov 2010 featuring leading figures of all 3 alliances in the same interview. They confirmed this in their own words that they do not favour mainly 5th freedom pax poaching carriers.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 13):
QR EY and EK are probably shut out, there is an article in flightglobal in Oct/Nov 2010 featuring leading figures of all 3 alliances in the same interview. They confirmed this in their own words that they do not favour mainly 5th freedom pax poaching carriers.

Thanks for that info, but are you then saying that based upon a interview in one magazine, it is correct to state that they definitively "shut out" as claimed in the original post? Definitive and probably are two very different things indeed.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
Thanks for that info, but are you then saying that based upon a interview in one magazine, it is correct to state that they definitively "shut out" as claimed in the original post? Definitive and probably are two very different things indeed.

The big European carriers are practically at war with these guys. It doesn't take much in the way of paying attention to see that. There is nothing "definitive" in this business, but the fact that none of the three are in a global alliance today, when virtually all of the world's major airlines are, is very telling.

A few examples of some recent news regarding the UAE, Air Canada and Lufthansa is representative of the issues:

http://www.arabiansupplychain.com/ar...sa-urged-canada-to-block-emirates/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ight-over-emirates/article1759667/

I can assure you that the, while few may say so publicly, these three carriers (particularly EK) are viewed as enemies of the alliances.


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