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WN To Buy 737-800  
User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18841 times:

WN is to buy the 737-800 will be delivered in 2012!!! will it have the Sky Interior.
And will most likely fly out of LGA here the Article


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...boeing-737-800-plane-update1-.html


heres the one that mentions LGA

http://www.smartertravel.com/blogs/t...er-planes-to-fleet.html?id=6372333

[Edited 2010-12-14 21:14:20]


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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18784 times:

I'm surprised they got slots in 2010. It's going to be really interesting to see WN going from one type of 737 (well technically 2) to adding the -800 the 717 and having a first class.

User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18740 times:

That's a big capacity jump but I'm sure they need it on many routes, not surprising that it will fly out of LGA. This announcement is not really unexpected, but it's nice to have an official delivery date to look forward to now.

User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18743 times:

There won't be a first class.
The FL birds will be converted to WN layout.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18720 times:

Considering WN's entry into larger and more congested markets such as LGA, BOS, EWR, etc. this decision is certainly warranted and doesn't surprise me.
It does take a little bit of simplicity out of their fleet with a subfleet of aircraft that will require a 4th flight attendant and likely a somewhat longer turn time, but definitely not anything drastic.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
I'm surprised they got slots in 2010.

They still have a bunch of -700's on order so they are just switching over to the -800 using some of the same slots.



What the...?
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15717 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18656 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
They still have a bunch of -700's on order so they are just switching over to the -800 using some of the same slots.

That's what I was thinking. Either way this isn't that much of a surprise considering all the rumors and groundwork that was laid.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18600 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
going from one type of 737 (well technically 2)

Fresh from being influenced by the good Doc's pedantic thread in non-av, may I submit the observation that you probably do know that -500,-300,-700 already make three.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18516 times:

I really do think that this will be a trend for the 6 abreast narrow bodies. I just don't think that the under 150 seaters are as appealing to operators with fuel prices heading north. More of the current narrow bodies on order will be switched to 150+ models and I don't think the NEO will change that.

This may, (I say again, may), open the door for the CSeries, larger E-Jets, (and eventually Chinese and Russian offerings), to get some breathing room to play on ground that isn't quite as profitable for the big boys as it used to be.



What the...?
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1906 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18348 times:

Finally it's official. Good move. The 738 adds more opportunities for WN to expand.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18224 times:

With WN's job listing for an ETOPS Manager, these aircraft are probably going to inaugurate service to Hawaii.

User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 18164 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):

I completely forgot about the -300

What I did mean though is 2 different capacities in the end basically the -3/5/7 size and the -800


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17929 times:

Can't wait to see the Boeing press release and image rendering!

User currently offlinebkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17857 times:

This really isnt surprising to me. It is quite cool tho. It will be interesting to see how many SWA will buy, a trademark of SWA is buying in bulk. SO it will be interesting to see how many are bought.

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17683 times:

Remember, they had ATA and their -800s to look at in the MDW-LGA operation while they were code-sharing, as well as ATA's Hawaii operations.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17551 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 11):
What I did mean though is 2 different capacities in the end basically the -3/5/7 size and the -800

They have 3 different capacities. The -300 and -700 seat 137. The -500 seats 122 and the -800 will seat 170 something.

Quoting bkircher (Reply 13):
Remember, they had ATA and their -800s to look at in the MDW-LGA operation while they were code-sharing, as well as ATA's Hawaii operations.

If I recall, when WN bought ATA's operating certificate they not only got the LGA slots, but they also got all of ATA's route info, ETOPS data and other goodies. They've had this info for a while, I'm sure.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17178 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 15):
If I recall, when WN bought ATA's operating certificate they not only got the LGA slots, but they also got all of ATA's route info, ETOPS data and other goodies. They've had this info for a while, I'm sure.

When did WN buy TZ's certificate?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16968 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
They still have a bunch of -700's on order so they are just switching over to the -800 using some of the same slots.

They were clearly conversions because typically there is a 12 month lead time for notification of spec changes to avoid gumming up the production line. Declaring now allows planes slated for delivery during late December 2010 (which are probably considered January deliveries from a contract point-of-view) to meet the spec deadline.

No surprise these are going to LGA and DCA too I bet.

[Edited 2010-12-15 06:10:53]

User currently offlinebayareablue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16835 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 10):
With WN's job listing for an ETOPS Manager, these aircraft are probably going to inaugurate service to Hawaii.

Hawaii probably is in the plans but not right away. You have to understand how developing an ETOPS program works. Yes, they can hire an ETOPS manager to go through and define the ETOPS process. But after they have a definition of what they are proposing to the FAA, they will have to prove it with proving flights which could take some time. Look at AS, when they announced ETOPS flying, they had been working for some time to develop a program and then months before the first flight you saw many proving flights. As someone posted in another thread, I see WN entering it's first ETOPS route in Q3 or Q4 2012.


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16102 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 12):
Can't wait to see the Boeing press release and image rendering!

Not the official Boeing press release image, but a pretty good rendition nonetheless:


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3736 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14940 times:
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The 800 seems to be the most popular variant of the 737.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):
I submit the observation that you probably do know that -500,-300,-700 already make three.

300 and 500 I would consider those as one type, they are both Classic 737s and have only one over wing exit.
So it is not wrong to consider the 300, 500 and 700 as two types. Don't know how much longer the classics will stay.

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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14777 times:

Would WN not be able to get the ETOPS rating from AirTran? I presume FL will require ETOPS to operate the upcoming BDA routes?

Cheers

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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8205 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14532 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 15):
They have 3 different capacities. The -300 and -700 seat 137. The -500 seats 122 and the -800 will seat 170 something.

However as far as staffing goes the the 300/500/700 are the same and that's a key component of cost and scheduling.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14358 times:

Quoting bayareablue (Reply 18):
Hawaii probably is in the plans but not right away.

One of the linked article in the OP also mentions Caribbean flights on 738, along with deployment to slot restricted EWR and LGA. It also discusses use of 738 at peak periods on busy routes.


User currently offlinewwtraveler99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14271 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 21):
Would WN not be able to get the ETOPS rating from AirTran? I presume FL will require ETOPS to operate the upcoming BDA routes?

I have seen it posted here on A.Net that ETOPS is not required for BDA.

I have heard that WN will convert a minimum of 70 -700's to the -800's.


WW


25 TSS : Is it reasonable to expect the WN -800s to be delivered with a third lavatory installed due to the extra seating capacity?
26 Post contains links vegasplanes : Looks like 20 737-800's in the first batch, beginning March '12. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...es-prnews-3816721853.html?x=0&.v=1 DALLAS,
27 chrisair : When they bought ATA's assets in 2008. It was how they got in to LGA... God I hope so. Hopefully 4 lavs like some AS 738s. Their -700s should have tw
28 Cubsrule : But not the certificate, at least not in that transaction. That was what piqued my interest.
29 wwtraveler99 : I beleive they got maintence manauls, opertating manuals and other data (i do not recall excatly what it was). I do not recall getting the certificat
30 atrude777 : Southwest bought the operating certificate of ATA and remaining assets of ATA, did not include planes, employees or facilities by end of 2008. Novemb
31 Cubsrule : That's a contradiction. You can't have a certificate with no airplanes - ask YX about that. The TZ certificate no longer exists.
32 atrude777 : Read all the news articles when you google it, they all have that wording, which is exactly where I got the verbage. Even wiki (though bad example I
33 swa4life : I would assume so. Southwest has conspicuously left aside the 800 series registration numbers, even as they've had to go from 200, 400, 700, and 900
34 QANTAS747-438 : What kind of timeframe did AS end up being on? How long did it take them to develop from start to finish? How long were proving flights? How many did
35 bayareablue : I believe it was around 24 months to develop the program. I remember maybe a dozen or more proving flights over a period of a few months.
36 Pohakuloa : Going out on a limb here with no real evidence to show for it (just personal opinions and my own observations of rumors over the past few years) so he
37 Viscount724 : Do any current 738 operators fly them with only 2 lavatories? Even Ryanair, the lowest of low-cost carriers, has 3 lavatories on its 738s. Can't see
38 JAAlbert : WN is not my favorite airline for anything longer than a two hour flight. Still, it would be great for SAN to have another option for travel to HNL! I
39 worldliner : Where will they fly to the carribean from? Perhaps they could look into expanding MCO or somewhere further north? Is the Florida - carribean served we
40 chrisair : Did AS do proving flights out of any airport other than Seattle or maybe Anchorage? I think it'll be a minimum of 1 year after the -800s are on WN pr
41 737tdi : Although I can't quote directly from our company employee website (SWALife) the 800's will have the new sky interior and will have 3 lavs..
42 CALPSAFltSkeds : I would think that WN may also operate some 73Gs as ETOPS. Can we assume then that proving runs are for the airline and not totally equipment specifi
43 wwtraveler99 : All -700's in 2012 have been converted to -800's. They will receive 3 -700's in the Jan-Mar time frame. After those 3 deliveroes they will not receiv
44 Post contains images KELPkid : To clear things up (and I started a civ/av thread about a year ago on this very subject, i.e. WN's obtaining of TZ's certificate ), to keep a certifi
45 71Zulu : About 150 of the -300s are going to be around a while longer as WN is investing about $40 million in upgrading them with new glass cockpits.
46 atrude777 : I don't think anyone argues that, no one claimed the certificate is still alive right? I think the argument was did WN purchase ATA's certificate at
47 freakyrat : Just read where these B737-800's are 20 firm orders and are all ETOPS equipped and will have the New Boeing Sky Interior.
48 bayareablue : I don't quite remember. I think it was just from Seattle but don't quote me on that. If I am not mistaken (and judging from other carriers with ETOPS
49 Blueman87 : Sky Interior for WN???
50 Atlwest1 : The WN 737's dont however in a very short time a portion of the FL fleet will have the aforementioned equipment ans FL has just been certified for ra
51 flyingclrs727 : They better have at least 4 lavatories if they they intend to fly them on ETOPS routes.
52 Post contains images TSS : I wondered about that as well. Having flown a few times on the DL/ex-AA/ex-TWA 757s back when they were still with AA, I found the mid-cabin lavs to
53 Atlwest1 : Now that is sounding more like the realm of the 900! I would love to see that plane in WN fleet.
54 Post contains images KELPkid : Sure. And in my eyes, it's a shame they didn't choose to keep ATA's 121 certificate alive. If so, they could have set out themselves doing ETOPS and
55 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : CO has many 738s with mid-cabin lavs. They were not the first 738s received and when fuel prices went up, CO removed them from future deliveries. CO
56 DocLightning : Turn time might be 5 minutes longer Given an extra ~30 pax, that's worth it.
57 Gr8SlvrFlt : Don't forget FL's orderbook. Four 73Gs will be delivered in 2011, bringing their ETOPs fleet up to sixteen. Then six to tweleve a year for a few years
58 USAirALB : I think WN would install the rafts in stowage bins over the aisle as it does not take up precious overhead bin space.
59 Cubsrule : If anyone has an old TZ seat map, TZ's (one class) 738s sat 175.
60 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : Good point, cubs. Try this one. Says ata in the URL. http://www.seatmaestro.com/airplanes...s/ata-airlines-boeing-737-800.html
61 bayareablue : That is not an easy mod when you don't have the centerline overhead bins (I am being specific to just what WN has now, not with what they are getting
62 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Courtesy AP http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...AVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT "Kelly said during a speech in New York that Southwest m
63 Atlwest1 : Well right now the 2-3 737's with the rafts at FL are in Overhead bins just as a beginning measure. The new ones will have the centerline bins. The o
64 Cubsrule : Let me assure you that it does not - though I agree with you that it should.
65 chrisair : You must only fly around in warm weather climates. I'm constantly amazed at how much stuff people have. For several trips, they've had to (or come ve
66 Post contains images Atlwest1 : Oh yeah people do carry bags and a lot of crap, have to deal with gate checks practically every flight. But i guess I assumed that with the free bags
67 Silver1SWA : It gets worse every single day, including the amount of checked bags. I have loaded some flights lately that have pushed closer and closer to running
68 JoeCanuck : Have you had a chance to work overseas? The amount of baggage and carryon, per person, going in and out of the UAE, for example, is absolutely stunni
69 Cubsrule : Sure, but how much of that is bulk loaded?
70 JoeCanuck : I'm talking about checked and carry on. In and out of Yemen was especially interesting.
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