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UA(CO) To Start SFO/LAX To Hilo  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

Nice move!!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Contin...es-prnews-1391447215.html?x=0&.v=1

-m

  

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

UA has operated LAX-ITO and SFO-ITO in the past. Not sure why it was dropped.

User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12357 times:

Very Interesting. I remember seeing a United DC-10 at Hilo back in the late 80's

User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

I flew Hilo to Los Angeles on a UA 747 in the early 1970s ... Nice to see it coming back ...

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

Awesome news...after a 24 year hiatus United will be back at Hilo.


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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12204 times:

Excellent news!! Been waiting for this one. So glad Hilo has a mainland flight back!


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
UA has operated LAX-ITO and SFO-ITO in the past. Not sure why it was dropped.

Because it's the ugly and rainy side of the Big Island maybe?   From what I understand several Hilo-area hotels have closed or are in the process of closing due to a poor business climate.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12154 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Because it's the ugly and rainy side of the Big Island maybe? From what I understand several Hilo-area hotels have closed or are in the process of closing due to a poor business climate.

This flight will serve the O&D of the Big Island mainly...and those that want to stay close to volcanos national park.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12088 times:

I think AS might've missed an opportunity with this one, I've long thought SEA-ITO would've been a great move for them considering the success that ATA had on that route. Seems UA/CO beat them to the punch. Oh well, should be a winner for UA/CO.  

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12046 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
UA has operated LAX-ITO and SFO-ITO in the past. Not sure why it was dropped.

Because it's the ugly and rainy side of the Big Island maybe?   From what I understand several Hilo-area hotels have closed or are in the process of closing due to a poor business climate.

Incredibly bad loads....UA dropped service December of 1986...the first 11 months of that year they only carried a little under 21,000 people out of Hilo...that's an average of 62 passengers a day. Aaron747 is right that its the other side of the island that is popular with the tourist crowd.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12001 times:

Holy cow! It's great to see this return after over 20 years!

Back in the day, Hilo was a very important destination. Being the second largest city in Hawaii at the time gave it some promimence. It's good to finally see it get some love again from the majors.  


User currently offlinemd3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11998 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
I think AS might've missed an opportunity with this one

Agree with you there, the only aircraft that should be on this route is a 73G/73H, perfect for AS's HI expansion. But now that CO/UA are utilizing it here, it will give them a better opportunity to succeed with fewer seats to fill than in the past.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Because it's the ugly and rainy side of the Big Island maybe?



I think Hilo is a far more attractive and pleasant place than Kona, unless you like scrub brush and desert. Plus, Hilo is far closer to Volcanoes NP, as someone else noted. But yeah, it's on the wetter side of the island so most un-imaginative package tourists prefer Kona.

I agree. I'd like to have seen AS start SEA-ITO. Not sure that UA's new service necessarily precludes that.

At one time in the early 1970s, UA, NW, CO, BN and WA served ITO from the mainland. PA served it briefly in the late 1960s.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11933 times:

After the new Kona airport opened, and United commenced service in 1983, there was less need and certainly less demand for Hilo. The final nail was the approved runway lengthening in 1988 which pretty much allowed unlimited ops at KOA including international services.

Virtually the entire Big Islands islands tourism is on the drier and warmer western coast of the island where Kona Intl Airport is located at.


Here is the Hilo schedule.

Eff 6/9/11 Daily
LAX-ITO 1700-1940 B738
ITO-LAX 2055-0515+1 B738

Eff 6/11/11
Saturday
SFO-ITO 1620-1840 B738
ITO-SFO 2120-0520+1 B738



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11886 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
At one time in the early 1970s, UA, NW, CO, BN and WA served ITO from the mainland.

The good old days, when the CAB could require such flights.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
After the new Kona airport opened, and United commenced service in 1983, there was less need and certainly less demand for Hilo.

Just to clarify: KOA opened around 1970. The runway was 6500 ft until... maybe 1994?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11846 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 14):
Just to clarify: KOA opened around 1970. The runway was 6500 ft until... maybe 1994?

Yes, however UA started service in 1983 which allowed people to reach the resort areas directly, and not do the circle island drive from Hilo.
For the runway it was actually extended in two stages, first 9,500'ish and then the 11,000 today.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Thread starter):
Nice move!!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Contin...es-prnews-1391447215.html?x=0&.v=1

-m

Another example of creative synergy that combining these two carriers creates, this is great news for Hawaii as it brings in more commerce to their second largest City.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11366 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
I think Hilo is a far more attractive and pleasant place than Kona,

Kona's not a great place to live either, and visiting ain't a lot better. Anyone with some cash is going to stay up at Waikoloa or the Waimea coast. The best part of the island IMO is the coastline north of the Kohala reserve, which is a plenty long drive from either airport.



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

yay   will make it easier to get to Oceanview, where I'm hoping to close on some land this summer, and maybe build a house there in the future!


xx
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 17):
The best part of the island IMO is the coastline north of the Kohala reserve, which is a plenty long drive from either airport.



HA once had a DC-9 flight once a day into the Waimea airport from HNL. That was in the early 70s. Not sure when it was dropped.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Because it's the ugly and rainy side of the Big Island maybe? From what I understand several Hilo-area hotels have closed or are in the process of closing due to a poor business climate.

Isn't U of H in Hilo too?

I know that alone wouldn't sustain a flight but it shows the viability of the area I think

-m

  


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11211 times:
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I had hoped AS would have opened this destination from SEA.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

This further bolsters United's impressive Hawaii network. It would be nice to see this work out.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2635 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11128 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Here is the Hilo schedule.

Eff 6/9/11 Daily
LAX-ITO 1700-1940 B738
ITO-LAX 2055-0515+1 B738

Eff 6/11/11
Saturday
SFO-ITO 1620-1840 B738
ITO-SFO 2120-0520+1 B738

Good move and doesn't cost any aircraft to operate and not too many seats exposed. While the westbound schedules aren't so hothe aircraft would have been siting in LAX and SFO all night otherwise. If it doesn't pan out, it can be cancelled or downgraded to fewer days per week without any much trouble.


User currently offlineodysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
think Hilo is a far more attractive and pleasant place than Kona, unless you like scrub brush and desert. Plus, Hilo is far closer to Volcanoes NP, as someone else noted. But yeah, it's on the wetter side of the island so most un-imaginative package tourists prefer Kona.

I agree. I'd like to have seen AS start SEA-ITO. Not sure that UA's new service necessarily precludes that.

At one time in the early 1970s, UA, NW, CO, BN and WA served ITO from the mainland. PA served it briefly in the late 1960s.

We spent our honeymoon on the Big Island in January. Half of the time, we were on the dry side close to Kona, and the other on the wet side, near Hilo and Volcano NP. Highly recommend it : ). I remember attending a lecture at UH-Hilo on volcanic gases during Volcano awareness month in January. Next two days, we hiked and drove around the park. You can see the glow at Halemaumau crater from the overlook. The USGS has a nice web site with frequent updates on Volcano status.

We're think about going to Hawaii again for a vacation. This time, we'll spend much of the week on Oahu, but we are thinking about flying to Hilo for two days to try trails around the Volcano NP again.

But, there is no question most of the tourist infrastructure is on the dry side near Kona. People just buy the package, visit the Volcano for the day, and don't spare a few days to go off the beaten path. I would use package tours a little more if they were a little more flexible, but usually just plan my own vacation.

regards,

John


25 Aaron747 : A very small campus population, yes. The grounds are very large though as they do a lot of agriculture programs.
26 us330 : Hilo is certainly more "authentic"--the problem is that when most tourists go to Hawaii, they want the sun, not the rain.
27 commavia : It was about time. It was inevitable that eventually some airline would reconnect Hilo with the mainland - and a 737 to LAX was the obvious choice, an
28 smoot4208 : ATA upgraded OAK-ITO from a 738 to a 752. So they obviously saw at least a decent amount of traffic on the route. (What they were charging I don't kno
29 ua76heavy : It used to be Kamuela airport. Both HA and AQ served it. I'll take Kona any day over Hilo.
30 BoeingGuy : Are you sure that Aloha served it? I don't believe that to be correct, at least not with 737s. HA served it once a day with a DC-9. The served Hana w
31 RoseFlyer : This is a perfect fleet integration route. The 757 is too big for Hilo since there is not a lot of demand. The high quality resorts are not in Hilo, w
32 Post contains images AeroSafari : On a 737... I'd much rather fly to a different city in Hawaii and connect. Now that UA and CO are merging(d) they can test out/bring back some other r
33 PacNWjet : Here is one thing that perhaps is part of UA's calculations: As some other posters have observed, Hilo is the second largest city in Hawaii, and the H
34 EA CO AS : Oh, come on! Nonstop to Hawaii using a 737? This is wrong - all wrong! The public will never stand for this! It's the wrong airplane entirely and doom
35 timz : News to me. The 10/90 directory shows 6500 ft; any idea when the first extension was?
36 Post contains links ADent : Not sure - the following link says construction to extend to 9,500 was expected to begin in 1989. Then is says the 11,000 ft runway was commissioned
37 ikramerica : ITO has jetways and terminal buildings, as opposed to KOA which is only huts and air stairs. I was surprised how big ITO was when our helicopter lande
38 LAXintl : The increase to 11,000 feet came about when the State of Hawaii started talking to airlines about direct services to places like Japan and 9,500 feet
39 CALPSAFltSkeds : As was LAX-OGG with CO. However, it looks like that service is cancelled about March 1st, obviously giving way to UA. So, it looks like the ITO servi
40 ua76heavy : Very sure. I flew it in 1968.
41 TOMMY767 : Hopefully the route will do well and will be upgraded to a 757 but the 738 is good for now. It's not like its OGG or HNL where it would warrant a lar
42 metsfan1 : As one who has been to the big island twice in the past 4 years, I think this fflight is great. It allows someone like me who wants some of the sun bu
43 fun2fly : Go ahead and waste 2-3 hours and enjoy the wiki bus. While I agree I'd like a widebody everywhere I fly, it is hilarious stuff on the 737 to Hawaii..
44 timz : On a BAC-1-11, then. But the OAG does show Aloha 737s to Kamuela in 1969.
45 Bluewave 707 : Hawaii - mainland flights on 737 aren't that bad as some have mentioned above. I flew on AQ's flight to SNA from HNL (& back), and were great flig
46 ha763 : There was only 1 extension straight to 11,000ft. The 1987 Master Plan indicated an extension to 9,500ft and it was already outdated and went through
47 wedgetail737 : The idea of a 73H flying mainland-ITO has already been done by ATA. The question is: Can a mainland-ITO service be sustained, even with a 73H?
48 drerx7 : Why would it not be successful? With the west coast feed at SFO and LAX plus the O&D at ITO...the 73H is perfect.
49 wedgetail737 : I wasn't saying is was not. ATA seemed to have been doing well on the OAK-ITO market. However, after the demise of ATA, no other airline jumped in to
50 drerx7 : I don't know how much of an indicator that is though. AQ fell. Hawaiian 763s too much airplane, AA/UA/DL probably felt the 757 was too much plane and
51 hnl-jack : UA brings a large frequent flyer base in Hawaii, but not the right aircraft to service this market. CO had the aircraft, but not the local following n
52 bjorn14 : U of H has a small campus in ITO. Its a NCAA D2 school nicknamed the Vulcans. The main campus is in HNL
53 Bluewave 707 : As more UA/CO 73Hs are delivered & come on-line, we could see more of them from the mainland serving Hawaii, especially on Neighbor Island service
54 mbm3 : It is a great use of EQP that might typically RON, though one wonders as to potential new routes.
55 exFWAOONW : Hilo was built up long before the Kona side, too. I remember seeing all the construction going on while doing the circle drive around the island, and
56 ADent : I remember flying a UA DC-10 LAX-ITO just after the DC-10 grounding was lifted - probably late July 1979. There were very few people on board that fli
57 CALPSAFltSkeds : As a non-rev, I flew ITO-LAX on a UA 747 in 1978. The flight was pretty light with revenue, but there were over 150 non-revs as the HNL flights were
58 Bluewave 707 : With many of their new 737-890s already ETOPS-capable, AS could move into ITO as well from SEA, seeing that AS already serves HNL, OGG, KOA, & LIH
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