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Airbus To Miss A380 Delivery Target Due To Qantas

cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 639 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

The article is here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...target-due-to-qantas-incident.html

I presume this impacts only aircraft in production equipped with the trents, not the gp engines?

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netjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

This is very unfortunate for RR, all they need now is for Airbus to file a suit against RR...

wingman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 1999, 1838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11586 times:

I might amend that to read "...due to RR".

ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

This is not "due to QANTAS" and if anyone is spinning it that way, they are bad people.

It is a problem with RR and Airbus only. Airbus, for not keeping tighter control over subs (if we blame Boeing for this on the 787, we must blame Airbus). And it's RR's fault for not having proper quality control on vital engine parts.

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flash330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
Airbus, for not keeping tighter control over subs (if we blame Boeing for this on the 787, we must blame Airbus).

Airbus is not an engine manufacturer, RR delievered them an engine which was certified by the FAA and EASA, and they assumed it was fit for purpose. should we blame them for koitos seat debacle as well while we're at it?

astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9142 posts, RR: 96
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
It is a problem with RR and Airbus only. Airbus, for not keeping tighter control over subs (if we blame Boeing for this on the 787, we must blame Airbus). And it's RR's fault for not having proper quality control on vital engine parts.

It's a problem with RR. full stop.

The choice of engine, and the contract for them is entirely between the OEM and the Airline.
So don't drag Airbus into this...

ukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
if we blame Boeing for this on the 787, we must blame Airbus

Really??????? For problems with the engine design???????

How exactly can that be blamed on Airbus? That's a bit of a stretch if you ask me.

SKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11357 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 1):
This is very unfortunate for RR, all they need now is for Airbus to file a suit against RR...

Careful ...because Airbus does need RR for their XWB's newest "toy". I don't think they go to RR into Court.

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N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2314 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

Sorry, but this article is factually wrong. CEO Enders said yesterday that it's also due the seat problems (Koito) with SQs next A 380 MSN 058, which otherwise could have been delivered easily this year, thus making it 20 A 380s by compensating the problems on MSN 055.

Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4795 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10779 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 7):
Careful ...because Airbus does need RR for their XWB's newest "toy". I don't think they go to RR into Court.

Well, RR needs them too, they have invested in the engine already so it's not as they can recover money if they don't deliver. And it's the same for existing engines of course.

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ZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Airbus are not expected to be that competent in engines. Boeing isn't either. It's BS to blame it on Airbus. We should change the heading

netjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 10):
Airbus are not expected to be that competent in engines. Boeing isn't either. It's BS to blame it on Airbus. We should change the heading

The heading says "Airbus to miss A380 delivery target due to Qantas incident"... RR is NOT missing any delivery targets, Airbus is... the reason might be RR, but the heading is correct. When airlines don't get their A380s when their suppose to, they're going to call Airbus, not RR

macsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9799 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 11):
When airlines don't get their A380s when their suppose to, they're going to call Airbus, not RR

Exactly, as a former airframe executive, if the aircraft doesn't get to the operator on time, there are always lots of reasons ~ but it is still the airframer's responsibility. Boeing is missing on the 747-8 and Airbus is missing on the A380. End of story.

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JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

So aside from the RR and seat issues, why is Airbus only commiting to 20 or so aircraft per year. That's less than two per month. Is the low production rate due to the number of orders on the books or because of some other reason?

U2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 12):

Yeah that's true.
But I think in this particular case SQ would be ringing up Koito more than Airbus, as (I think) the airframe would be ready on time for a 2010 delivery it's just waiting for seating, which there have been delays in I believe.

[Edited 2010-12-16 14:28:13]

francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3196 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

The one you blame is always the company you give the money to...

If QF paid Airbus directly for their engines, then Airbus is to blame, if they bought them from RR, that's where they'll turn their accusing hands.

Just follow the money. That's what it's all about, after all.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...

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