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DL To Start Narrowbody Replacement Study Early 2011  
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16919 times:

According to flightglobal DL Will start analysing narrowbody replacement early Next year. Its The DC-9, MD-88, early A320 and 757 that Will be replaced.

Read more here.


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-narrowbody-analysis-in-early.html


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User currently offlinecentre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

Last week? Delta CEO has already stated that a 737NEO will not cut for them. So, unless Boeing offers a 737 replacement program, we might see Delta walking to Airbus and/or Bombardier.
So far Boeing has no direct competitor for the A321NEO to replace the mass fleet of 757.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7341 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16794 times:

Not really a surprise. That article only mentions part of Richard Anderson's quote.

The key part to the statement is "study."

Elsewhere during the investor day presentation they mentioned to their Capex spend and fleet needs, saying that they are good through 2012 with their current narrowbody fleet and do not anticipate any new aircraft deliveries until 2013.

This continues to align with the statements that the DC-9-50s will be around until 2013.

Considering there are lead times involved, it makes sense to figure this all out in 2011 with targeted deliveries in early 2013.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16773 times:

Quoting centre (Reply 1):
Delta CEO has already stated that a 737NEO will not cut for them.

proof?



yep.
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16714 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

Delta can order 737NGs in 2011 and start getting them in 2012/2013 due to options. IIRC they could have all 60 options by 2015. (but i think that is if they take bird in 2012)

When....ah better not even waste the brain space, Delta wont be getting a 100 seater in my life time.



yep.
User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16671 times:

Well, strictly from a ramp rat's viewpoint, the A320/19 are vastly superior to either the MD88/90 or 737 product...of course i'm sure this won't factor into any decision Delta makes....but i for one hope they choose Airbus if for no other reason than this. LOL!!!

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16654 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 4):
Delta can order 737NGs in 2011 and start getting them in 2012/2013 due to options. IIRC they could have all 60 options by 2015. (but i think that is if they take bird in 2012) When....ah better not even waste the brain space, Delta wont be getting a 100 seater in my life time.

Perhaps we can see some more 738s to replace the DC-9-50s and MD-88s, and some 739ERs to replace some of the older 752s.



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User currently offlinejsquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16612 times:

Quoting centre (Reply 1):
Delta CEO has already stated that a 737NEO will not cut for them. So, unless Boeing offers a 737 replacement program, we might see Delta walking to Airbus and/or Bombardier.

Why would the A320NEO be acceptable while a hypothetical 737NEO would not?


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16613 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):

Perhaps we can see some more 738s to replace the DC-9-50s and MD-88s, and some 739ERs to replace some of the older 752s.

IMHO Delta will do that as they wait for the A320NEO/737NEO/Y1.

60 737s can get the DC-9-50s, a handful of 757s/M88/320s out.



yep.
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16528 times:


I'd be really surprised if they place mainline pilots into new 100 seat airplanes. 120 seat airplanes yes, but 100 seaters I really doubt.

Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
According to flightglobal DL Will start analysing narrowbody replacement early Next year. Its The DC-9, MD-88, early A320 and 757 that Will be replaced.

It just struck me how many times I've seen a headline "
Quoting centre (Reply 1):
we might see Delta walking to Airbus and/or Bombardier.
User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16463 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Perhaps we can see some more 738s to replace the DC-9-50s and MD-88s, and some 739ERs to replace some of the older 752s.

I can see DL ordering additional 737/A32X series aircraft to replace the MD-88 and some older A32X as well as the older 757s. Personally I think you are right about 738's for MD-88's and 739ER's for 752, but I'm not so sure about the DC-9-50's. Those airplanes are at kind of a unique seating capacity that I think DL would really like to maintain in the future in order to right-size markets as they have done over the past year or two. I think they could potentially go with an E-190 or if someone is really listening, the 717's that have come available from Mexicana's demise.


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16376 times:

Any reason to believe that they won't buy used aircraft and look to round the remaining MD-90's until a true next generation narrowbody comes out? That idea isn't mentioned in the article, but they seem to have open mind to the second hand market.

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16325 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
According to flightglobal DL Will start analysing narrowbody replacement early Next year. Its The DC-9, MD-88, early A320 and 757 that Will be replaced.

My bold.

Which would make sense, as that will have given Boeing time to make it's intentions known re: 737 re-engine or not.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 4):
Delta can order 737NGs in 2011 and start getting them in 2012/2013 due to options.

Ordering means deposits and financing, which runs counter to their guidance from the recent presentation.


User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16313 times:

The perfect 757 replacement? How about the 757?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7341 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 4):
Delta can order 737NGs in 2011 and start getting them in 2012/2013 due to options. IIRC they could have all 60 options by 2015. (but i think that is if they take bird in 2012)
Quoting Delimit (Reply 12):
Ordering means deposits and financing, which runs counter to their guidance from the recent presentation.

I highly doubt you will see a new delivery until 2013.

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
Any reason to believe that they won't buy used aircraft and look to round the remaining MD-90's until a true next generation narrowbody comes out? That idea isn't mentioned in the article, but they seem to have open mind to the second hand market.

That is the plan to get them through 2011 & 2012 as was what they stated in to the financial community the other day.

Expeditures on aircraft is very low in 2011, less than in 2010 where the majority went to used MD-90s.
Some additional second-hand aircraft are expected in 2011, less than 2010 though.
The largest chunk of capital improvements for 2011 is going toward aircraft modifications
Expeditures for aircraft will be up slightly in 2012 compared to 2011, but still not as much as 2010.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16228 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 12):

Ordering means deposits and financing, which runs counter to their guidance from the recent presentation.

I didn't see anything that said they would not order any aircraft.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 14):

I highly doubt you will see a new delivery until 2013.

I don't.
Now, NBs? ok maybe but I would be shocked if Delta doesn't get T7s by 2012.



yep.
User currently offlineatlengineer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16188 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 14):
hat is the plan to get them through 2011 & 2012 as was what they stated in to the financial community the other day.

Expeditures on aircraft is very low in 2011, less than in 2010 where the majority went to used MD-90s.
Some additional second-hand aircraft are expected in 2011, less than 2010 though.
The largest chunk of capital improvements for 2011 is going toward aircraft modifications
Expeditures for aircraft will be up slightly in 2012 compared to 2011, but still not as much as 2010.

Remember, in 2010, DL took delivery of 2 B777LR's and 2 B738's. Even at 75 percent of that, it will buy a lot of used MD90's at 8-10 million each.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16187 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
I didn't see anything that said they would not order any aircraft.

When you order you have to put money down and you take on debt. They said they wouldn't be doing that.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16123 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 10):
I can see DL ordering additional 737/A32X series aircraft to replace the MD-88 and some older A32X as well as the older 757s. Personally I think you are right about 738's for MD-88's and 739ER's for 752, but I'm not so sure about the DC-9-50's. Those airplanes are at kind of a unique seating capacity that I think DL would really like to maintain in the future in order to right-size markets as they have done over the past year or two. I think they could potentially go with an E-190 or if someone is really listening, the 717's that have come available from Mexicana's demise.

Actually the 717/E190 is smaller than the DC-9-50, which is about the same size as an A319 or 73G. However, the 73G costs almost as much to operate as a 738 which holds more passengers and thus DL can make more money. The only reason DL bought 10 73Gs was for routes that required the 73G's additional range. I don't see DL buying any more 73Gs nor A319s.

Quoting sectflyer (Reply 13):
The perfect 757 replacement? How about the 757?

Most (if not all) of the routes flown by the older 752s are well within the range of the 739ER. The 752s that are used on transatlantic routes are newer builds.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16070 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 17):
They said they wouldn't be doing that.

Where did they say they wouldn't be doing so? Now i didn't get to listen to the full 5 hours worth of tape yet, but I didn't see a slide that said they wouldn't put any capital into new aircraft, all they say about debt is paying more off. (and i will listen to the hole thing at some point and if they say they wont put any capital into new aircraft I will be more than happy to say i was wrong. )

Oh, and ordering airplanes doesn't = debt. They could lease, pay the down payment with cash, and IIRC if you convert options(like i said) they have already paid most (if not all) of the down payment on the aircraft.

Also to get airplanes in 2012/2013 you have to place an order soon.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7341 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 16055 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
I don't.
Now, NBs? ok maybe but I would be shocked if Delta doesn't get T7s by 2012.

They've said they have no immediate needs for more international aircraft and are not planning to any in 2011 or 2012.

Now, that being said, at first glance it looks like the fleet is going to be heavily utilized during summer 2011. However, there will be a lot of mod work going on during that time as well. They're only growing ASMs 3% in 2011.

The growth in (assuming there is some) in 2012 appears to be supported by capacity freed-up by mod work being completed, not new aircraft.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 15771 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 17):
When you order you have to put money down and you take on debt.

False.

It all depends on the terms agreed to by the airline and manufacturer, but typically no money changes hands until the manufacturer is ready for production.

Note: DL has 787s on order and no money has been put down and no new debt as a result.


User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 15607 times:
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Delta will acquire every MD-90-30 aircraft it can get , except the Saudi Arabian aircraft. They have very different cockpits. If 717s would start showing up in large enough numbers, I think they may acquire some of them. Delta is basically letting the manufactures know they are interested in new narrow body aircraft. Build an aircraft that fits "Deltas" needs and Delta will order new aircraft. Delta is paying off debt to possibly acquire a stake in another airline, if a suitable opportunity appears.
Delta, also, is probably trying to reduce it's debt expenses.   


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2784 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

Quoting jsquared (Reply 7):
Why would the A320NEO be acceptable while a hypothetical 737NEO would not?

I'm not sold that this is the case, but let me posit a theory: Delta has been in a tiff with Boeing over Boeing's extension of Ex-Im financing for Dleta's foreign competitors. The letter below, posted on the ATA website, goes into it. I wonder if DL is making a point on that front by talking up the foreign manufacturers:

http://www.airlines.org/PublicPolicy...ubsidizingRichForeignAirlines.aspx

On September 16, I sent you a short note and article about a subject of great concern to U.S. airlines – the growing flood of official export credits being extended by governments in aircraft-manufacturing countries to support sales of aircraft to our airline competitors. These subsidies are provided by the U.S. Export-Import Bank in the United States, and export credit agencies in Europe, Canada and Brazil. We explained the market distortions adversely affecting U.S. airlines, and expressed our fear that current negotiations to achieve a new “Aircraft Sector Understanding” among these countries and others at the OECD will make an already bad situation worse.

Subsequently, The Boeing Company circulated a letter to you and other Members of Congress that completely mischaracterizes our concerns and the position that we have urged the administration to take in the OECD negotiations. We wish to take this opportunity to set the record straight.

We have no desire to harm Boeing, a fine company with which all of our members have a close business relationship. We do not think Boeing will be hurt if credit subsidies to healthy foreign airlines are curtailed. In the last few weeks, Boeing announced more than 100 new orders for large commercial aircraft. Boeing clearly does not need these subsidies to support its sales; neither do its foreign airline customers. Here are some key facts of which you should be aware:

Ex-Im Bank-subsidized financing ($8.6 billion last year) is going to many foreign airlines that are financially strong competitors of U.S. airlines, have ample access to commercial financing and do not need below-market export financing. Beneficiaries include nine of the 10 most profitable airlines based outside of the United States and the Airbus home countries in Europe. Examples include Emirates Air, Singapore Airlines, WestJet in Canada, Korean Airlines, Qantas, and others. These airlines now operate more than 50 percent of the capacity on routes to and from the United States.

These government subsidies provide our foreign competitors with hundreds of millions of dollars in benefits by enabling below-market financing. For example, in 2009, both Delta Airlines and Emirates Air secured financing for deliveries of three Boeing 777 models aircraft. Because of Ex-Im Bank support, however, Emirates secured a vastly superior interest rate from its lenders, and we estimate that Emirates realized an estimated $100 million more than Delta in loan proceeds. Export financing has been estimated by Airbus to equate to a 7 percent reduction in the cost of an aircraft, an estimate confirmed by the economic consulting
firm LECG.

The Boeing letter states that our claims are “without merit” and that we advocate that Ex-Im Bank should “dramatically curtail” its credit support for Boeing sales. Our position is fully stated in the attached letter, which we sent to Secretary Geithner, Ex-Im Bank President Hochberg and other senior administration officials on August 16.

What that letter shows, and what we have consistently advocated to administration officials, is that U.S. airlines support the negotiation of a revised OECD agreement under which all participating countries mutually agree to step back from the subsidy war in which they are engaged. The current race to provide the most subsidies has no victor, but it counts U.S. airlines – and potentially taxpayers – among its victims. Surely it cannot be good policy to argue that

Ex-Im Bank and its counterparts should maintain, even increase, their subsidies because they make money, even at the expense of other U.S. exporters.

Boeing has been a leader in the fight to rid the aircraft sector of unfair, subsidized competition in the aircraft-manufacturing sector. We believe the same principled stand should be followed by Boeing when it comes to other subsidies that artificially create and support sales of aircraft. There is no difference in the nature of the distortion, though the adverse impact may fall on different U.S. companies and workers.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 15094 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 5):
Well, strictly from a ramp rat's viewpoint, the A320/19 are vastly superior to either the MD88/90 or 737 product...of course i'm sure this won't factor into any decision Delta makes....but i for one hope they choose Airbus if for no other reason than this. LOL!!!

Interesting, please explain the differences of the two.



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25 deltal1011man : I have not seen them say such a thing for 2012. No. Once again, Delta will not have ANY widebody aircraft in mods during S11. The 777s will be done b
26 yakflyer : It's all a matter of economics. I seriously doubt any of the major airlines will get relief on scope, so anything beyond what is currently allowed wi
27 flyibaby : Yeah - I don't see that happening. I mean, DL was able to get the 764 - exactly built for their needs and how many frames did they actually take? CO
28 par13del : Hmmmmm Ex-Im bank is a US government entity, what exactly are they saying, that if Boeing refuses to sell a/c to countries obtaining financing by EX-
29 1337Delta764 : The 764ER didn't cost much to develop; Boeing would have lost two important customers to Airbus if Boeing told DL and CO to "suck it up and buy some
30 Post contains links and images keesje : “There is constantly innovation in this industry, and we need that innovation. So we think the manufacturers need to re-engine these airplanes and g
31 BretonRLong : Why is the A320/19 superior to the 737?
32 woodsboy : At this point in Delta's post bankrupsy evolution it makes perfect sense to look to the second hard market for aircraft that are the right size- or cl
33 328JET : I think the order to replace the B752 will go to europe - for the A321NEO. But the rest will be covered by additional B737-800s or B737NEOs. Delta wi
34 BMI727 : What's wrong with that? It isn't like tons of 757s are just sitting around, but there are mid-1990s and newer examples out there. Look all you want,
35 Post contains images keesje : Cargo bay height, for a ramp rat Delta (NWA) is a long term prospect for the CSeries.. I think the direct operating costs of new wingletted A321s ove
36 Post contains images par13del : The quote from the DL exec statement. I guess that explains why they have back tracked on the NW 787 purchase, not much innovation there. Just goes t
37 1337Delta764 : However, should DL order from Airbus, they would be forefeiting their preferential pricing from Boeing and be forced to pay list prices from there on
38 Post contains links keesje : Delta were early customer for the 787 and needed the full original range and efficiency, with a good cargo load. The first 787 run will have better a
39 DLdiamondboy : [quote=1337Delta764,reply=18]Most (if not all) of the routes flown by the older 752s are well within the range of the 739ER. The 752s that are used on
40 1337Delta764 : The ex-TWA 752s are 1996-2000 builds, so they are hardly in need of replacement.
41 Goblin211 : If you ask me, i think DL should just get more 757s and forget this hassle. i don't see why they want to get the NEOs except for fuel efficiency. prob
42 lucky777 : Indeed, keesje....plus the floors on the A320/19's are flat and very smooth...whereas all of the carpets on the 737's have been ripped out, and bin 3
43 Dash9 : No one pay list price, period. Beside, should Delta order Airbus in 2011, do you really think that Boeing would retaliate later on and refuse a good
44 dl767captain : I don't know if Delta wants to wait for the A320NEO, or even a 737NEO to get going. Maybe some 738s for MD80 and DC9 replacement, and maybe even some
45 Blueman87 : hopefully the 739ER and 737-800 with Sky Interior
46 catiii : One other technical question that those who actually work in the industry may be able to answer for me: As a business traveler (who for now exclusivel
47 PlanesNTrains : No way, IMHO. That would be suicide for Boeing. Of course. Which is why AC has 777/787 orders by the fistful. -Dave
48 BMI727 : That is not the case.
49 Post contains images KaiGywer : Well, they installed it in their current fleet, including all of the above aircraft, and even the antique DC9
50 ericaasen : Yeah, I second that, plus I'm not a fan of the inward opening doors. You lose a lot of room by having to keep the door area clear. But, I will say th
51 catiii : Which MD-88's and DC-9's have AVOD, seatback IFE, satellite TV and radio?
52 dtw9 : Delta is not going to order more 737-800's or 700's. Except for a couple of aircraft ,they have been selling all of their -800 deliveries as soon as t
53 stitch : 737-800s make sense for near-to-mid-term replacements, but I would expect the A321-200(neo) would be a better choice for the 757 replacement as it wou
54 BretonRLong : I definitely agree with this. Even though I am a big fan of the Boeing product the challenge from these other companies in the industry is exactly wh
55 Stabilator : I'm not sure where you get the notion DL pilots will give that much scope away. I never see that happening. The main thing on all mainline pilot's ag
56 Post contains images lightsaber : The later would be a program game change. Alas the DC-9-30s are gone... so there goes the C100 natural fit. Today, the A321NEO is the most likely for
57 TSS : Any specifics on the proposed MD-80/90 cockpit upgrades? Bringing all of them up to a common standard type rating makes sense, and it would seem that
58 PlanesNTrains : It's not clear to me that this will be a "huge" order, as they are discussing replacing older frames. While ultimately they will replace hundreds of
59 TrijetsRMissed : I'm curious to know what size of the MD-88 fleet is in DL's midterm future plans? DL has started buying off leased frames, can we expect a greater amo
60 Post contains images scbriml : Delta would forefeit nothing from Boeing for buying Airbus. They most certainly wouldn't pay list price, nobody does (some VIP customers might come c
61 SchorschNG : Would be a perfect business case for a mixed fleet of Bombadier CSeries and Airbus 320/321 NEOs. Both with P&W engines. May be some branding issu
62 MD-90 : If that was true Delta would sell the 73Gs and stop flying to places that required the aircraft. Delta did set the record for the world's biggest eve
63 rolfen : I always liked the 757. I wish we'd see more of it and that it would not be retired from service. I wish time could be frozen... But I never flew on
64 SchorschNG : Delta has a pretty low seat count in their aircraft. Maybe the next aircraft will be seated more densely. For some routes you could actually use a A32
65 MD-90 : Personally I think United Continental and Delta make too much money flying 757s across the pond for Boeing not to eventually replace the type with som
66 deltal1011man : Proof? Everything I have seen about the 73Ws is they like the little pocket rockets. That has nothing to do with the now. That is due to a deal made
67 adam42185 : How much $$ would it take for Boeing to re-open the 757 line and make a 757NEO with a GTF or newer engine? It seems as though once all the 757s get ol
68 Post contains images KaiGywer : True...I kinda missed those...they DO have Wifi though And with Wifi, you can get all of the above...lol
69 dtw9 : [Proof? Everything I have seen about the 73Ws is they like the little pocket rockets. [/quote] Quess again.. If they like them so much and they make s
70 lightsaber : Exactly that, hundreds of aircraft. If Boeing does a 737NEO, there will not be a new airframe, other than the C919 and Cseries in the replacement win
71 DLdiamondboy : I fly DL exclusively out of ATL . 91 flights on DL for 2010. I guess you guys in NYC have not being seeing any of the ex NWA A319 & A320's or DC-
72 SESGDL : This is patently false. If they didn't make money with them DL would've gotten rid of them. What has been said is that the operating costs for a A319
73 seabosdca : Much easier just to put that engine on the 739.
74 mayor : When did the PMDL 757s ever have carpets? I remember the extendable bin in bin #2, but that is all. As I recall, bin #3 was designed that way, but DL
75 burnsie28 : Northwest did put some money down on ordering of the 787's. The 747's are supposed to start in Summer, not fall. From a passenger point of view, I fi
76 adtall : Many of the PMDL 757s and 737-800s had them, but they took them out around 2007-2008 for weight savings (and a little extra room to get more cargo) a
77 MNMncrcnwjr : Except for ride quality..IMHO. dc9-50 still is the smoothest ride in the Mainline fleet (crj900 in connection fleet) Well a 717 deal could be worked
78 PlanesNTrains : I find this extremely unlikely. They operate a mixed fleet today - no reason to expect any branding repercussions from ordering Airbus in the future.
79 atlengineer : Actually, the 717's in Airtran configuration seat 12 in Business class and 105 in Coach with a 30 inch seat pitch for a total of 117 according to Sea
80 mayor : Well, from the time we first took delivery of the 757, they didn't have carpets.....all they had was the expanding bins in bin #2 and from what I can
81 Post contains images adtall : I know they were at the least in the ex-Song 757s, plus a few others I think, so maybe not "many" but some . They took out the expanding bins in #2 a
82 lucky777 : They were in ALL of the Song 757's, which was from 2003 up until 2006. I believe there were a total of 48 757's dedicated to Song at its peak. There
83 Post contains images MNMncrcnwjr : Thanks for correcting my lost memory ... IMHO the 73x is my last pick if all other details are the same and yes that would include a CRJ900 and the E
84 centre : I was thinking of this when I made the statement above: We had it discussed in a lengthy thread of its own.
85 Post contains links TrijetsRMissed : With the largest 757 fleet in the world, I don't think we'll be saying goodbye anytime soon. While not exactly studying several options, DL has taken
86 PPVRA : Yeah, they will still have lots of 757s to move around to areas that they are really needed even after they retire some of them. I wouldn't say Airbu
87 planemaker : I don't know if someone else spotted the news about DL expanding their F and Y class seating on the domestic 767s, 757s, MD80 & 90s and DC9s by su
88 FlyASAGuy2005 : Being discussed as we speak. The 757s will move from 22, 24, and 26 F seats respectively to 28. The non -ER 763s will go from 24 to 30. MD88s/90s wil
89 MNMncrcnwjr : Ah ... that's the strange looking birds around ATL ...... THANKS!!
90 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I appologize for the poor quality but this was taken just a few weeks after they entered service with ASA.
91 Post contains images astuteman : If you're going to go all the way, then surely you should include the US DOD placing half of its aerospace business with EADS under very easily the m
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