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US Airways And The E190  
User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13006 times:

Sitting here at work eating my lunch, I was looking at my trip confirmation for some holiday flights. I have an upcoming flight on US Airways (RSW-CLT-ORD) and both legs are with the B734. Curious, I looked them up on that always reliable site, Wikipedia, and saw that the B734s are planned to be replaced with A320s. Also their B733s are being replaced with E190s. I thought I read somewhere on this site(a while back, maybe a year or longer) that US Airways was going to get rid of the E190s. Was this a rumor that never came to be or did US Airways have a change of heart with the E190? I got a flight on one of their E190s from ORD-CLT a couple of years ago and liked the aircraft and was sad to hear that they would be getting rid of them.


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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

Quoting csturdiv (Thread starter):

I believe US only planned on dumping 10 E90s, but i believe they have 25(or so) on order.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

There never was evidence they were losing their 734. That was an assumption by people who didn't actually know anything. US was very excited about the E190, but it seems the aircraft is kind of expensive, or US does not have such great access to capital. Otherwise I would have expected them to take more deliveries. Only 15 is kind of a small fleet.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

The E90's are relegated to the PHL-BOS./PHL-ATL services. Otherwise they really don't go anywhere else. RAH has the option to take the rest of the E90's at any time. However we have only taken 10 from US. There is no additional E90's set to go to US.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12801 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
US was very excited about the E190, but it seems the aircraft is kind of expensive, or US does not have such great access to capital. Otherwise I would have expected them to take more deliveries. Only 15 is kind of a small fleet.

Neither - it's a pilot's union issue. The E90 is the only mainline fleet type they can get rid of without running afoul of the pilot's contract. US was (and is) quite happy with the E90.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12732 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
US was (and is) quite happy with the E90.

When have they said this? I'm not saying you are wrong, but just curious.


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12721 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):

They do pop up on other routes, for example LGA-PHL (one does a RON at LGA).



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12686 times:

They also operate the BOS-LGA shuttle route. I have also flown them on IND-PHL and PHL-PVD runs (not sure if they are still active on the last two routes mentioned), but they are for sure still operating between BOS and LGA shuttle.


Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12631 times:

Thanks for the info, I miss seeing their E190s at ORD, I never see the B6 E190 when I am there.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12553 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
When have they said this? I'm not saying you are wrong, but just curious.

My recollection is that there were some comments on it around the time they sold the 10 frames to RW. I'll see if I can find you a link.



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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12464 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 6):
They do pop up on other routes, for example LGA-PHL (one does a RON at LGA).

They were in rotation on PHL-MBJ in recent months, until the current cycle of 757/320/321s.



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12436 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
RAH has the option to take the rest of the E90's at any time. However we have only taken 10 from US.

Where are you getting that from?


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12311 times:

Plain and simple - US just doesn't need the E-190. They have outsourced E-175s and CRJ-900s (both with 86 seats) to USX carriers that can offer extremely low costs, while the 124-seat A319s are part of a massive Airbus 320 family fleet that offers extensive flexibility and performance across the short-haul network. It's great that they have a 99-seat plane with an F offering, but they can't justify the cost of the shiny new birds (and relatively small "orphan" fleet) when the same routes could be flown for less by RW 175s/YX CR9s or US's own Airbuses.


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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1734 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12303 times:
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Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
i believe they have 25(or so) on order.

They do but there are no plans to take them. It's similar to Delta inheriting the NWA orders for 5 319's and 2 320's. They're on order but they won't be delivered. Same thing with UA and its Airbus narrow body orders...


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12155 times:

In addition, sometimes CLT gets them on the weekends. I like the E190s alot, great aircraft to fly on

In addition to the short hops, you'll sometimes see them on PHL-Caribbean, PHL-Texas, and I believe at one point they were flying PHL-DEN.



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

RDU sees them to PHL often

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 12):
Plain and simple - US just doesn't need the E-190. They have outsourced E-175s and CRJ-900s (both with 86 seats) to USX carriers that can offer extremely low costs, while the 124-seat A319s are part of a massive Airbus 320 family fleet that offers extensive flexibility and performance across the short-haul network. It's great that they have a 99-seat plane with an F offering, but they can't justify the cost of the shiny new birds (and relatively small "orphan" fleet) when the same routes could be flown for less by RW 175s/YX CR9s or US's own Airbuses.

Absolutely, due to their contracts they have to be operated in-house...which ruins everything...



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User currently offlinejohnj From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

I love the US 190s. Unfortunately, they've been bringing their 734s into my home airport of BDL a lot lately. By my reckoning, the 734 outfitted the way US has them is the single most uncomfortable airliner flying for a major carrier in the United States.

User currently offlinefascm170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

The E190 is a very inexpensive aircraft to operate, especially in the Caribbean when it offer low cost compared with the A319 during the low months of Sept/Oct.

The small fleet is owned (not leased) and the perfect source of capital, particularly when the wait list on the type could be long and those frames were readily available for anyone who was planning a quick expansion (RW) or equipment replacement.

With only 15 frames left, they are more relegated to shuttle service but they could be available for selected Caribbean service on weekends. They are not OW equipped, so the routes have to be over land (even on island hooping), so the flexibility on routes is limited.

The original order was for 50 samples (25 firm and 25 options). I do not believe that the options will ever be exercised and the 15 frames left could leave the fleet if the company requires additional cash infusion.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11533 times:

The E90s are a slow repayment for a loan the RAH gave US to exit BK. It hAs been passed on that we may eventually take E90s to finish loan payment.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11513 times:

Quoting johnj (Reply 16):
734 outfitted the way US has them is the single most uncomfortable airliner flying for a major carrier in the United States.

?? USs 734 are fine. When was the last time you were on one?

Quoting fascm170 (Reply 17):
are not OW equipped, so the routes have to be over land (even on island hooping), so the flexibility on routes is limited.

They do have life-vests though.



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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

On Saturdays US operates one that I know of between CLT and MSY.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
There never was evidence they were losing their 734. That was an assumption by people who didn't actually know anything.

US has retired about 1/3 of their 734 fleet. IIRC the A321 deliveries were replacing 757's and a few of the 734's, with A320's replacing the balance. The 733's were being replaced mainly with A319's. US slowed and then deferred delivery of most new narrowbody aircraft, because of the economy, and they needed to conserve cash. They decided that they would keep the remaining 733's and 734's in the fleet longer than originally planned. Unless something changes, IIRC in 2012 the new NB deliveries are to begin and the replacement of the 733's begin and then the 734.

In short all the 737's were planned to be phased out with the 734 the last to be retired.

Later

MD


User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 18):
The E90s are a slow repayment for a loan the RAH gave US to exit BK. It hAs been passed on that we may eventually take E90s to finish loan payment.

I believe that was only for the 10 already delivered, still not sure where you're getting the info on the remaining 15.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 20):
IIRC in 2012 the new NB deliveries are to begin and the replacement of the 733's begin and then the 734.

And I believe they will all be A320 or A321 and not A319s.


User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Absolutely, due to their contracts they have to be operated in-house...which ruins everything...

US E-190 1st year Pilot $78/hr max $96
Mesa CR-900 1st year Pilot $61/hr max $104
Republic E-175 1st year Pilot $64/hr max $119
Republic E-170 1st year Pilot $59/hr max $108
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Not sure why you are saying operating in house ruins everything, other than typical anti-union sentiment. After only a few years they pretty much level out, then the express make more.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3102 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 20):
IIRC the A321 deliveries were replacing 757's

On domestic routes...an A321 does not have enough range to make it from PHX-Hawaii. The 757s are delegated to Hawaii flights. Are there TATL flights with the 757?



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25 Cubsrule : Of course, pilot wages aren't the whole picture, and that's one of the things that a lot of people miss in the mainline-regional debate. On average,
26 miller22 : Pay rates aren't even half the picture. Work rules alone will almost double the number of pilots required to fly the same amount of routes, not to me
27 planeguy727 : Yes. US has several TATL routes using the 757. AMS is an example.
28 johnj : Sorry, 30" pitch isn't fine in my book. The US 734s are the regular equipment on the BDL-CLT route which I fly often. Piedmont Dash-8s and Colgan Saa
29 malaysia : I saw a E190 US at BWI on Wednesday morning. They look cool and nice, too bad they arent used much
30 kgaiflyer : They show up on the BOS-LGA Shuttle occasionally.
31 Buddys747 : I never said it was the whole picture anywhere did I ? Just an example. Any proof of that ? I don't think there are too many Republic that are close
32 cofannyc : I wouldn't say occasionally. With the exception of the 800am out of BOS and the 600am out of LGA, it's the only aircraft on that route.
33 chepos : Yes the 757 operates TATL routes PHL-GLA (SEASONAL) PHL-DUB (currently operated with the 767 but will be operating with the 757 by Jan I believe) PHL-
34 Cubsrule : All right. How, exactly, could E-Jets be operated in house for the same price as at RW? What changes would it take?
35 silentbob : Pigs would have to fly, it's not happening.
36 jfklganyc : "Absolutely, due to their contracts they have to be operated in-house...which ruins everything..." Actually, that's what keeps mainline pilots flying
37 Mainliner : No. It ruins NOTHING.
38 DiamondFlyer : From who's standpoint? From the standpoint of a pilot, no it doesn't ruin anything. From a business standpoint, EMB-190's operated by mainline at mai
39 Mainliner : I'll admit, I am. And I can see the business side of it too. But there has to be a line somewhere. We can't work for free.
40 cactus742 : Trying to get this back on track now... With the 25 that US took delivery of, and especially with the additional 25 options, the E190 would have been
41 Flighty : Ah yes - thank you. This is true, but what change would you be looking for? How can you convince 737 pilots to fly it and take a paycut? Maybe if the
42 MSYPI7185 : Correct, however since US is not taking deliver of any 757's from anywhere, all of the 757 that have been retired are being replaced with A321's. MD
43 thegreatRDU : From the business standpoint yes it does its simply cheaper for RAH to operate them.... Absolutely...
44 FutureFO : There is no differential in pay for FO's on the 170/175/190. Captains get a differential pay for the 175/190 over the 170. This is for RAH not mainlin
45 apodino : I am going to raise the BS flag on this one. Currently the only codeshare that currently involves the E 190 at the moment is the F9 codeshare, if you
46 Post contains links FRNT787 : Agreed. The balance of the $35 million loan was applied. There is no (public) agreement in place that I am aware of in which RAH can take the remaini
47 fascm170 : Eventhough they have the life vest, it does not qualify as overwater equipped. It can not make it to CZM because of the overwater flying rules. US di
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