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TSA In IAH Miss Loaded Gun In Carry-on Bag  
User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 764 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ational-flight-loaded-handgun.html

Ok it's the daily mail, but if true, somewhat worrying really.

Mind you I was in TX just before Thanksgiving and they'd just found a loaded gun magazine/clip in the seat back of a SWA jet over on the east coast of the USA...

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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

It is also in the Houston Chronicle, CNN, and other sources. This did happen.

The feckless TSA incompentents fail upwards of 70% of undercover Red Team tests, and have for years.

While they are deciding if maxi pads are bombs by feeling up people, they are missing plenty of guns and knives-DAILY.
A truly moronic organisation.



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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Seems strange, especially given the number of federal law enforcement officers in the USA who are (I believe) allowed to fly with their firearms... so there are plenty of them flying around in aircraft cabins really.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 1):
The feckless TSA incompentents fail upwards of 70% of undercover Red Team tests, and have for years.

Where is this documented?


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Where is this documented?

Carpe Google. Aside from the results that get published on an unclassified level, classified reports have been released and are available via various media outlets, and even congressional testimony. Those results are readily available.
TSA failures are nothing new.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

This ain't the first time....last year some time a woman who boarded at IAH got all the way to BZE (accidentally) with a gun only to be stopped by the authorities here when she discovered it in her purse. It was loaded.

Gun possession is a crime here, but somehow a deal was worked out where she shipped back the gun and was allowed to finish the vacation.

I will see if I can find a link to the news story in the local press here , but their online archives are horrible at best.



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Said it before, I'll say it again: it's going to take at least one more 9/11 for the USA to get airport security installed.

The successful quadruple hijacking on US soil nine years ago evidently had no effect on security.


User currently offlineCrewchief From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Although the TSA agents may be feckless, I think a good case can be made that the amount we are spending for them is simply too much. We can reduce risks overall by reprogramming the money to mitigate risks from other events.

My thinking is informed by this article:

"The Innumeracy Behind Airline Security"
http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_12_10.html


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7301 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 4):
Those results are readily available.
TSA failures are nothing new.

Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though.


User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7268 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 8):
Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though.

Who cares...a loaded gun should not make it through the system 100% of the time. They failed this time, like they have in the past and like they will continue to do so. They are so busy taking pics of us and patting us down, that they miss a loaded weapon go through the belt. The system is a failure and the amount of money we are pouring into this failing system is out of control. TSA needs a complete revamp or to be abolished all together to make room for a better system. TSA and the entire system is such a knee jerk, short sighted, reactionary system, that it misses the overall big picture!



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 8):
Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though.

In this matter, any percent greater than zero is a failure and the difference between 1 and 100% is irrelevant.

A single break in security is a failure of the whole system.

The USA does not have airport security at this time.


User currently offlineWNWatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

TSA is just a dog and pony show. No security will get 100% of activity 100% of the time. It's just an unreasonable thing to expect.


meepmeep
User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

But it's good that they are now groping the elderly and little children that don't want to be put through naked body scanners. I am sure that they'd also miss a number of (fake) bombs if put through the x-ray machines. Good job right there...   


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
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... and yet the 9/11 hijackers thought enough of pre 9/11 security that they did not bother to bring a firearm...

... and nobody has done a "Havana Divert" lately when they used to be commonplace....

Hmm, maybe TSA isn't as inept as we think.....



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User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
Where is this documented?

I'm guessing that number came from here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded...id=12412458&tqkw=&tqshow=WN&page=1

Quote:
According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times.

50/70 ~71%

Anyway how accurate the news article is, that I have no idea about. I'm only pointing toward the possible source of that number. Please don't shoot the messenger.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 1):
A truly moronic organisation

Truer words have never been spoken, however it blows my mind why individuals in todays security climate still feel it necessary to travel with 9" knives, box cutters and pistols...WTF!,...get a grip flying public...even if you only travel once a year...You Know the Drill!


User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

They should turn the aircraft into a giant sauna. people are only allowed to bring a towel on-board. No luggage. Luggage will be sent on ships. Problem solved. Case closed.
I would not mind, as long as I am put in the "somewhat attractive people" class.
Alternatively, people could be fitted in coffin-like beds (have you seen "The Sixth Element"?) and put to sleep during the flight.



rolf
User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
... and yet the 9/11 hijackers thought enough of pre 9/11 security that they did not bother to bring a firearm...

... and nobody has done a "Havana Divert" lately when they used to be commonplace....

Hmm, maybe TSA isn't as inept as we think.....

Not sure I follow. The "Havana Diverts" were more of a 1960s/70s thing, weren't they? That was long before TSA was ever thought of.

TSA was only created after 9/11, so if the 9/11 hijackers were concerned about having a potential firearm detected, that's still pre-TSA.



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
... and yet the 9/11 hijackers thought enough of pre 9/11 security that they did not bother to bring a firearm...

... and nobody has done a "Havana Divert" lately when they used to be commonplace....

Hmm, maybe TSA isn't as inept as we think.....

You are giving them too much credit.

The hijackers didn't use guns because they didn't need to. Boxcutters proved to be plenty of ammunition on a typical Tuesday with light passenger loads.

Besides -- counting on security to not see a gun in your suitcase is ludicrous. There are other ways to get the gun through, like all of the different employees at an airport that do not even go through screening. Catering, cleaning crews, the list goes on and on. That is where you get anything through that you want.


User currently offlineCrewchief From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 14):

... and yet the 9/11 hijackers thought enough of pre 9/11 security that they did not bother to bring a firearm...

... and nobody has done a "Havana Divert" lately when they used to be commonplace....

Hmm, maybe TSA isn't as inept as we think.....

I have a rock that repels elephants. I know it works because I've never seen an elephant near my house!

The logic of your statement and my statement are the same. Correlation is not causation.


User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 6):


Said it before, I'll say it again: it's going to take at least one more 9/11 for the USA to get airport security installed.

I agree 100%. TSA can see your private parts, but they can't see a loaded pistol in a carry-on? If it weren't so very deadly serious it would be funny.

How long are we going to put up with this nonsense???



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 8):
Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though

Really, so ABC news is not credible enough? Hmm?



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 21):
Quoting catiii (Reply 8):
Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though

Really, so ABC news is not credible enough? Hmm?

I think I see where this is going: If it verified the claim, it would not be credible.

So many people on airliners.net complain about the media when most of the time the media are just relaying and repeating what people in the know are saying. Sometimes the media get taken for a ride, sometimes they don't.



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