chuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7888 times:
Seems strange, especially given the number of federal law enforcement officers in the USA who are (I believe) allowed to fly with their firearms... so there are plenty of them flying around in aircraft cabins really.
Carpe Google. Aside from the results that get published on an unclassified level, classified reports have been released and are available via various media outlets, and even congressional testimony. Those results are readily available.
TSA failures are nothing new.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5821 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7549 times:
This ain't the first time....last year some time a woman who boarded at IAH got all the way to BZE (accidentally) with a gun only to be stopped by the authorities here when she discovered it in her purse. It was loaded.
Gun possession is a crime here, but somehow a deal was worked out where she shipped back the gun and was allowed to finish the vacation.
I will see if I can find a link to the news story in the local press here , but their online archives are horrible at best.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Crewchief From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7284 times:
Although the TSA agents may be feckless, I think a good case can be made that the amount we are spending for them is simply too much. We can reduce risks overall by reprogramming the money to mitigate risks from other events.
cbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1547 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7027 times:
Quoting catiii (Reply 8): Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though.
Who cares...a loaded gun should not make it through the system 100% of the time. They failed this time, like they have in the past and like they will continue to do so. They are so busy taking pics of us and patting us down, that they miss a loaded weapon go through the belt. The system is a failure and the amount of money we are pouring into this failing system is out of control. TSA needs a complete revamp or to be abolished all together to make room for a better system. TSA and the entire system is such a knee jerk, short sighted, reactionary system, that it misses the overall big picture!
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2959 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5554 times:
But it's good that they are now groping the elderly and little children that don't want to be put through naked body scanners. I am sure that they'd also miss a number of (fake) bombs if put through the x-ray machines. Good job right there...
Quote: According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times.
Anyway how accurate the news article is, that I have no idea about. I'm only pointing toward the possible source of that number. Please don't shoot the messenger.
Truer words have never been spoken, however it blows my mind why individuals in todays security climate still feel it necessary to travel with 9" knives, box cutters and pistols...WTF!,...get a grip flying public...even if you only travel once a year...You Know the Drill!
rolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1774 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4751 times:
They should turn the aircraft into a giant sauna. people are only allowed to bring a towel on-board. No luggage. Luggage will be sent on ships. Problem solved. Case closed.
I would not mind, as long as I am put in the "somewhat attractive people" class.
Alternatively, people could be fitted in coffin-like beds (have you seen "The Sixth Element"?) and put to sleep during the flight.
GoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2673 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3737 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13): ... and yet the 9/11 hijackers thought enough of pre 9/11 security that they did not bother to bring a firearm...
... and nobody has done a "Havana Divert" lately when they used to be commonplace....
Hmm, maybe TSA isn't as inept as we think.....
You are giving them too much credit.
The hijackers didn't use guns because they didn't need to. Boxcutters proved to be plenty of ammunition on a typical Tuesday with light passenger loads.
Besides -- counting on security to not see a gun in your suitcase is ludicrous. There are other ways to get the gun through, like all of the different employees at an airport that do not even go through screening. Catering, cleaning crews, the list goes on and on. That is where you get anything through that you want.
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 21): Quoting catiii (Reply 8):
Nothing from any credible source verifying your 70 percent claim though
Really, so ABC news is not credible enough? Hmm?
I think I see where this is going: If it verified the claim, it would not be credible.
So many people on airliners.net complain about the media when most of the time the media are just relaying and repeating what people in the know are saying. Sometimes the media get taken for a ride, sometimes they don't.