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Tap Portugal To Start Flights To Miami  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 13211 times:

Just read on the news that TP is to start Miami next Summer, 5 times a week.

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28164

http://economia.publico.pt/Noticia/t...do-e-reprogramacao-de-voos_1471553

[Edited 2010-12-18 01:56:09]

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Article:

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28164

I know TAP had been in talks with MIA officials recently, but I didn't think it was anything more than very early talks.

Can MIA get any luckier with service to Europe lately? 2009 added Air Europa; 2010 saw Transaero and Corsair; 2011 already adds KLM and Arkefly, and now TAP. And then Air Berlin, Alitalia, Iberia and Luftthansa all added new destinations (TXL, MXP, BCN and MUC, respectively), while Delta re-launches London in March.

And in winter 2011/12, it's already looking like Aeroflot and Turkish are a go; and possibly Austrian, too.

[Edited 2010-12-18 01:51:33]


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
TP is to start Miami next Summer

That's a destination I hadn't expected; while I'm sure there'll be tourist traffic going there, will it be more than HAV or VRA, even SDQ? Those three are the main tourist destinations in the Caribbean for Portugal, and seasonally operated by charters (not even sure about HAV). So MIA five times a week then comes as a surprise! But if they can make it work, good for them.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 12984 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
That's a destination I hadn't expected; while I'm sure there'll be tourist traffic going there, will it be more than HAV or VRA, even SDQ? Those three are the main tourist destinations in the Caribbean for Portugal, and seasonally operated by charters (not even sure about HAV).

There is definitely a tourism component, but don't forget Miami is also a big base of operation for Portuguese companies in the Americas, most notably Banco Espírito Santo. LIS-MIA is a larger local market than LIS-VRA or LIS-SDQ. And I'm sure feed from Avianca-TACA and Copa's very large MIA operations will play a role in this.

Lisbon-U.S. is a tough market in general outside of New York, so wherever TAP is going to go is going to be a risk. It's really just Boston or Miami that make sense, and Miami provides a much stronger business traffic component and is less seasonal than Boston.

One wonders if this is also somewhat reactionary to Iberia, who is going into TAP's territory with its new Recife and Fortaleza flights this February.



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User currently offlinelppr95 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 12972 times:

I think ORD would work better. It's a *A hub. TP could codeshare with UA to many US and Canada destinations.

The passenger demand will be allmost between LIS and MIA because TP may not codeshare with any MIA based airline.



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User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 12962 times:

So TAP in one week announces new flight to Miami and several other European destinations.
Anyway they failed to announce which routes were trimmed since they are not receiving any new aircraft to operate these routes.

It's amazing how PR from TAP Commercial Department always seem like the company is in a tremendous success while everyone knows that want to be privatized but no one is interested in acquiring a company with a +EUR2000 million debt (that operates on a total monopoly out of Lisbon airport in terms of long-haul routes) and that barely gives a profit. It's good to be state owned and without competition!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 12933 times:

Quoting lppr95 (Reply 4):
The passenger demand will be allmost between LIS and MIA because TP may not codeshare with any MIA based airline.

From Miami, TAP will be able to codeshare with Avianca, Copa, LACSA, TACA and TACA Peru, who operate to 15 cities from MIA; in addition UA/CO operate from Miami to Orlando and Tampa, key feeder markets for leisure traffic from Portugal, especially Orlando. Furthermore, geographically, Houston on Continental is another connection point that makes sense.

Lisbon has very little demand to/from the United States outside of the East Coast, which would make any Chicago flight an even riskier venture.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 12819 times:

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 5):

"but no one is interested in acquiring a company...."

Dirkou, i know you always say the same about TP, without giving it a chance to change. And please i don't wanna start an argument. Read a few over the years.
Few articles here on how TP is using his fleet better, saving costs, and how Fernado Pinto(tp CEO) has expressed and urged the government to sell TP, he even goes further and says that he is keeping in contact with possible buyers.

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28060

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28046


User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Santos: I don't want to start an argument too but who will assume/pay the +EUR2000 Million debt for it to be privatized?
Also why doesn't a company that has a virtual 100% monopoly on long-haul flight out of Lisbon (smashing any private competitor) barely gives a profit?

I've nothing against TAP, Mr Pinto has been doing a great job but I think TAP propaganda is enough: anytime they share any information it seems everything is perfect and that the company is a huge success. Totally false.


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 12771 times:

Finnair, SAS, and many other airlines with huge debts, but plenty of interest from BA and LH.
TP is doing what it can to turn profitable next year, the only this that is stopping them is the portuguese government.
I'm 100% behind privatisation as soon as possible.

I'm sure all airlines got some type of monopoly in their routes...


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 12609 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Lisbon has very little demand to/from the United States outside of the East Coast, which would make any Chicago flight an even riskier venture.

MIA was so obvious it was easy to miss   In the first 9 months of this year, demand through travel agencies grew 47%. TP has been serving MIA in code share with CO via EWR.
http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=27279
I know it's been talked about here for a while that MIA would work so this shouldn't be too much of a surprise. However, MIA is as bad for connections as ORD would be. Both require some amount of backtracking from any other point in the US to get to LIS so this flight IMHO, is all about Florida O&D traffic and connections on the LIS side. TP has the Spanish/Italian/French markets very well covered, plus cities like MUC/DUS/VIE/GVA/ZRH which should allow TP to capture some additional connecting traffic. No other airport in Europe is better positioned geographically to serve MIA-Europe and especially MIA-S.Europe. This route was a no-brainer and a long time coming.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 12533 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
MIA was so obvious it was easy to miss In the first 9 months of this year, demand through travel agencies grew 47%. TP has been serving MIA in code share with CO via EWR.

However what will the yield be of these pax?

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 5):
Anyway they failed to announce which routes were trimmed since they are not receiving any new aircraft to operate these routes.
Quoting santos (Reply 7):
Few articles here on how TP is using his fleet better, saving costs,

Still where will we see the reductions in their current long haul schedule? Fleet opptimalisation is one thing, but scheduling an extra 5 weekly MIA without cutting existing service seems very difficult to almost impossible.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 12417 times:

I hope that these press reports are true. However, TAP's website announces flights to six new European destinations, but not MIA.

MIA would expand TP's reach into Latin America through Star Alliance partners such as Copa, TACA, and Avianca. As mentioned earlier, TAP could connect passengers from European cities that don't have direct flights to MIA through its hub in LIS.

In the coming years, it would make sense to gradually expand its trans-Atlantic network. In better economic times, MIA, BOS, YYZ, and EZE may prove profitable routes for TAP.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 12116 times:

How reliable are these news reports? Are these websites trustworthy? The MIA-Europe market is beginning to become saturated, i really wonder if MIA can handle all this new capacity.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 12097 times:

Is this seasonal or year round? What's the equipment?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 11381 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):
However what will the yield be of these pax?

Good enough to start a new route I'd say. TP is an ultra conservative airline. They wouldn't start MIA if they weren't sure that there was money to be made.

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):
Still where will we see the reductions in their current long haul schedule?

My guess is that the second EWR Summer frequency will be cut to make room for this flight to start in the Summer, and in the Winter when when Brazil traffic is weaker, they may cut some Brazilian frequencies.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 13):
How reliable are these news reports? Are these websites trustworthy?

Very.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
Is this seasonal or year round? What's the equipment?

A332 would be my guess. Not enough info on whether this is seasonal or year round although I'd expect it to be seasonal or at least a drop to 3 or 4 weekly frequencies in the Winter.


User currently offlinecahmc85 From Portugal, joined Jul 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 11178 times:

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 5):
It's good to be state owned and without competition!

Actually being a state owned company is one of the causes why TAP is not so successful. Under the EU regulations no airline can be capitalize by the government. So, the shareholder cannot increase the capital, being the primary reason why the debt has increased in the last 7 years. In what company the shareholder cannot increase the capital? Very few.

Without competition? What about FR in OPO and U2 in LIS? In LIS you have all the main European carriers. You can argue that very few international carriers fly to LIS but that is because they don't want or do not think is profitable, but that does not mean that TP has a monopoly.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
Is this seasonal or year round? What's the equipment?

Year round with 4 weekly in the winter. The equipment is A332

Quoting miaintl (Reply 13):
How reliable are these news reports? Are these websites trustworthy?

It was announced today by TAP´s CEO.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10750 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 13):
How reliable are these news reports? Are these websites trustworthy? The MIA-Europe market is beginning to become saturated, i really wonder if MIA can handle all this new capacity.

40% of all Europeans flying to the United States are going to Miami or New York. The market has historically been very undeserved and capacity isn't up as much as you might think. Almost all the new service has replaced existing capacity. Iberia added BCN, but simply moved that capacity from MAD. Alitalia added MXP, but reduced FCO capacity near proportionally. Air Berlin added TXL, but capacity is flat with 2008 when it was serving MUC and DUS at a higher frequency. KLM is adding AMS, but Air France is reducing CDG capacity at the same time. American is adding a second daily to Madrid, but that just replaces previous extra capacity to London.

The only new capacity has been the new carriers, Delta and Lufthansa.

The added capacity isn't the problem - it's more the fact that this is all being piled on at the same time, which makes it more difficult to absorb as quickly.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

Too much Europe - MIA capacity has been added over the past year. I would expect a decent number of these newly announced routes to MIA to be discontinued after a year. The overcapacity combined with the fact that the European economy is in bad shape (with the exception of Germany) spells trouble for many of these new routes to MIA.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 18):
Too much Europe - MIA capacity has been added over the past year.

It seems that way because so many new routes have been added, but capacity, while up, isn't up as much as it seems, and is not far off from what it was around 2001, when the overall market was smaller. Martinair is gone; Iberia reduced capacity to Madrid; American reduced capacity to London and Madrid (but Madrid will go 2x this summer); Air France will reduce capacity to Paris this fall; Alitalia reduced capacity to Rome; Air Berlin reduced capacity to Düsseldorf and discontinued Munich; Air Europa is increasing frequency to Madrid this summer, but using a smaller plane and reducing overall capacity; Corsairfly is also increasing frequency to Miami this spring, but, again, using a smaller plane and keeping capacity pretty flat.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10514 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):

It seems that way because so many new routes have been added, but capacity, while up, isn't up as much as it seems, and is not far off from what it was around 2001, when the overall market was smaller.

I completely agree from that standpoint. However, even though capacity is similar to what it was in 2001, too many airlines rushed in at the same time to serve MIA over the past year.

I think the flood of capacity over a short period of time combined with the poor European economy creates significant risk that (in my opinion) will result in some of these flights being discontinued.

I fully believe that MIA could support the added capacity if these flights were added during better economic times or added slowly over the course of time.

However, it seems like airlines have a herd mentality. Every year it appears there is a destination that has become the latest fad destination (ie. OSL, China, India). Airlines rush in to serve these destinations only for many to withdraw once it becomes apparent that the market is over-served.


User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

>Actually being a state owned company is one of the causes why TAP is not so successful.

That's what we are going to see in the next few years. If that was the reason why didn't the privatization happen before like in almost all EU countries? My opinion is that despite the good commercial work done by this administration the company remains a big dinosaur and a lot needs to be done to really bring something out of it. Like I wrote TAP works is a virtual monopoly (99% of their long-haul routes out of Lisbon are a monopoly). TAP employees are well paid and their unions do whatever they want - this needs to be changed immediately.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10484 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 20):
I completely agree from that standpoint. However, even though capacity is similar to what it was in 2001, too many airlines rushed in at the same time to serve MIA over the past year.

I agree with that. There is too much new competition entering at the same time, which does create problems. However, I don't think any of the carriers will be leaving other than Arkefly; but rather make appropriate adjustments in capacity as they see fit. Strategically, Miami is an important destination for European carriers' networks.

Despite the weak economy, the Miami-Europe market has not been hurting whatsoever, yet (this can definitely change). The connecting opportunities from Central/South America really help. Those markets tend not to be as cyclical, as we saw after 9/11.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

It also should be kept in mind that KL'S new MIA flight is poorly timed for connections, so I would not be surprised to see that route fail and pull out. Now I also hear news of Aeroflot entering the market, like i said this looks like oversaturation. The only new route that i see surviving is the MIA-MUC flight, that flight has great loads.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10279 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 23):
It also should be kept in mind that KL'S new MIA flight is poorly timed for connections, so I would not be surprised to see that route fail and pull out

It doesn't need to be timed well extremely well connections because the local market is large enough for four weekly flights. But, nonetheless, despite what you say, it is timed well for connections. It is ideally timed in conjunction to with Air France, Alitalia and Delta's flights to create maximum connection opportunities between the aligned networks.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 23):
The only new route that i see surviving is the MIA-MUC flight, that flight has great loads.

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think that's going to be the only new route surviving. MIA-TXL, MIA-MXP, MIA-ORY, MIA-BCN, among others, are all surviving, as well.

Also, you don't know how MIA-MUC's loads are, or any of the other's for that matter.

Further, loads are not an indication of a route's true performance, especially to a market like Miami where filling a plane from Europe is incredibly easy at low fares.

How many times does it have to be repeated that Alitalia, Air Berlin, Iberia and KLM/Martinair have simply moved capacity from one city to another? Comparing August 2008 to August 2011, Alitalia is up less than 14%, Air Berlin is flat, Iberia is down 16.2%, and Martinair/KLM is down an astounding 42%.

As for others? Air France will be down 12% come November; American is up 10.6%; Lufthansa is up 33.3%; Virgin Atlantic is flat, as are British Airways and Swiss; and let's not forget El Al is gone, removing it's 603 weekly seats each-way.

New carriers Air Europa, Corsairfly and Transaero have added a whopping combined 11 weekly flights during the summer (but only 7 this winter).

It's a false perception that capacity is up that much. It's not.

[Edited 2010-12-18 15:16:32]


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25 miaintl : When in the summer will this flight be launched, what month?
26 airbazar : You're giving too much credit to the mainstream media. The European economy is not nearly as bad as the media makes it sound. Most countries are alre
27 miaintl : I am just interested when the schedule for this will come out. I am also curious to know if this was the route that MIA officials secured at routes in
28 MAH4546 : How many times do you ask this? It's Turkish to Istanbul, which you've been told multiple times.
29 Goblin211 : It's about time! I thought with Star having all these European airlines under their belt TAP would've been one of them. I see excellent profits from c
30 miaintl : The only person i have been told this was you, other people are claiming that it was some other airline, plus all the proposed routes that were seale
31 MAH4546 : No, all the routes "sealed" at Vanocuver have not been announced. Furthermore, are you kidding me?!? You think the KLM .iami route was because of DJs
32 miaintl : Thats what was said here on anet. That post appeared a couple of days ago, trust me I was just as surprised. lol
33 MAH4546 : No, that was not at all what0was said! I posted it, and you really need to go back and re-read it. A group of dance music fans convinced KLM to move
34 santos : Has anyone got hold of the flight schedule yet? Or when does it start! I'm sure TP at the moment is concentrating on sorting out all the flights cance
35 cahmc85 : Mainly because it involves more politics than business strategy. The intention to privatize TP goes back to the beginning of the 90's. Mr. Pinto arri
36 miaintl : I really wonder like the rest if TAP will cut capacity to start the Miami flight. How are the connection options at LIS, I know TP offers a large Afri
37 EricR : Countries that require financial bailouts or are on the cusp of requiring financial bailouts are countries with financial problems. Even those countr
38 cahmc85 : No capacity will be cut. TP made a readjustment of the operation and it was able to increase the availability of equipment and launch new routes. In
39 miaintl : Do you know when the schedule for the MIA flight will be available and what month it will launch?
40 yeogeo : Perhaps you meant the east coast of the US, otherwise you have me puzzled. yeo
41 Dirkou : >Countries that require financial bailouts or are on the cusp of requiring financial bailouts are countries with financial problems. Agree at 100%.
42 miaintl : TAP is now where AZ was 3 years ago, with that in mind can they really afford expansion? Dont get me wrong i would love to see them at MIA, but someti
43 boeingbus : This is the silliest statements that I have read today. There is no comparison.
44 miaintl : AZ was in the same situation, it was seeking privatization and was close to bankruptcy. It at least has that one thing in common with TP, minus the b
45 MAH4546 : What is wishful thinking? TAP has announced service to Miami. Why do you doubt every single announcement that every single airline makes? And why on
46 OB1504 : Mark tends to be right about these things. I don't know who he works for or who he knows, but he's a very reliable source of information, especially
47 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : So effectively it has in common that it is seeking privatisation? They are indeed seeking privatisation, he's right about that...
48 cahmc85 : The schedules will be available in early January and it will be launch in June. With your statements I can see that you know a lot about TP and you h
49 airbazar : Which is unfortunate because more often than not he has shown that he has a big axe to grind against TAP and comes up with unfounded accusations and
50 Dirkou : I'm happy to know you are proud of a company which has 99% of the Portuguese aviation market, is state owned, a virtual monopoly and barely gives a pr
51 MAH4546 : I'm not miaintl.
52 BuyantUkhaa : I misunderstood - my apologies.
53 airbazar : Thank you for proving my point once again. Yes indeed, TP has no competion in the Portuguese aviation market whatsoever. FR doesn't have a base in OP
54 miaintl : Does the article reveal anuthing on equipment use, or has that not been mentioned yet? I think TP has about 6 or 7 330s in store, so one of those can
55 santos : No, i dont think they have any stored aircraft- they actually only have 12 A332's, and they are all used on the south american routes and EWR. Flight
56 miaintl : Does this mean they will use the 340 for the MIA route then?
57 MAH4546 : It is five weekly A330s, as has already been mentioned on this thread. If you actually bothered to read the threads instead of asking the same questi
58 keagkid101 : This is very good news to here. There isn't a huge Portuguese population in Miami, but quite a few Portuguese companies have locations in Miami.
59 LIPZ : Schedule as follow (eff from June, 6) TP 118 LIS MIA 16.35 21.05 (dailyexWeSu) TP 119 MIA LIS 23.05 12.20 (dailyexWeSu) with A332 Already bookable[Edi
60 santos : No, as they are used on the LAD, JNB, MPM, and sometimes on the GRU and EWR routes. Routes that demand a lot more cargo I'm sure it will be a A332, w
61 santos : Thank you LIPZ for the info.[Edited 2010-12-20 14:26:48]
62 LipeGIG : Plus 4 A343. To fly to MIA and even another destination, they just need to stop with redeyes to BSB, GIG and GRU which accounts for at least 2 A332.
63 Post contains links MAH4546 : And the latter part is just exactly it. Many Portuguese companies have their North American base of operations in Miami. Espirito Santo especially ha
64 Post contains links LIPZ : (Portuguese only) TAP Inicia voos para Miami em 2011 2010-12-20 10803|2|0|28|BB Com cinco frequências por semana a partir do próximo Verão. Miami v
65 santos : It's not only the Portugal-Miami bound tourism, but also a lot of Americans will use this service to visit Portugal, Lisbon and Madeira Island do rece
66 miaintl : Thats good to here, its still not bookable on TP's website but im sure it will be by tommorow. Plus MIA's website will probably report it tommorow to
67 BOACCunard : I think such traffic will be minimal. While there are many, many Americans taking cruises in Europe (from every part of the country), they are rarely
68 Viscount724 : Is that really true considering Portugal's chronically weak economy, and possibly being the next EU member after Greece and Ireland to require a bail
69 miaintl : Well the article does mention that the Portugal-Miami market has grown 35% over the past year and that Miami is the largest non-served market from Po
70 santos : And also White has been flying to FLL every summer, doing charter flights for travel agents- now TP need to win those contracts.
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