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NYTimes Early Look At Renovated SFO T2  
User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

Looks really good -- impressed that they've managed to do a lot of this within the space of the original terminal!

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...2010/12/17/can-airports-be-fun/?hp

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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

It's also ahead schedule which dare I say "is a first around here". I know the FAA controllers got a tour the other day. I'm hoping to get one in January. I'll take some pics from my tower and try and post them on airliners, once our weather here improves.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
It's also ahead schedule which dare I say "is a first around here".

I think B6's terminal at JFK was also done ahead of schedule and under budget (less sure about that one).

-Mir



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):

No..sorry should have been more specific. SFO projects!



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
No..sorry should have been more specific. SFO projects!

Gotcha. Though, to be fair, it was a first for JFK projects too (thought the 13R/31L resurfacing was also remarkably delay-and-cost-overrun free).

-Mir



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User currently offlineGoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

What's with the huge pink bowl-like things hanging from the ceiling in the last pic? Everything else looks very efficient and impressive. Very Ca style bathrooms too, if that makes sense


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

Quoting Goblin211 (Reply 5):

It's an art piece done by artist. The terminal will have a few different pieces within it from multiple artist. Some local, some from other locals. I know a NYC artist will have one there.

As I said I'll get some pics when the weather breaks. The Terminal 2 sign was placed on the front of the terminal this week. There are also some other pics on flysfo.com

http://www.flysfo.com/web/page/about/T2



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20638 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

Now if they'd just bring back the open-air observation deck, complete with a few Air West F-27 props breaking your eardrums as they pull in, life would be complete! Looks nice, regardless.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

I like it, and can't wait to go see it for myself  


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User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Yeah, can't wait to see it in action too! SFO has really become, in my mind, the best of the US "gateway" airports. Can't think of another one that's even close to pleasant, much less actually nice. I mean, seriously... LAX? JFK? BOS?

User currently offlineb6flyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6789 times:
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Virgin America had their holiday party in T2 this year....quite the treat! It is going to be an amazing space...very open and comfortable.


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

From the NYT article:

"Only three terminals have been fully designed and constructed in the United States since 9/11: JFK’s JetBlue Terminal and the new North Terminal at Detroit Wayne County Metropolitan Airport (both designed by Gensler), and the new terminal designed by HOK in Indianapolis. T2 will be the fourth."

What about Terminal B at SJC?

It looks beautiful so far...I can't wait for SFO T2 to open! Will B6 stay in the International Terminal, or will it move into T1, or what?



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

is this a permanent move for AA I thought I had read it was only temp?

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 12):

Temp move!

American will move to the renovated terminal 1 in coming years once it's complete. That being said, that will give AA a good 4 years in T-2 using common use gates with VX.



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User currently offlinemattrockIND From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

This is good news for SFO. I love to fly into the Bay Area as it is... and having IND as my home airport, I can testify to the fact that the new terminal there is a vast improvement on the old one. The open spaces, the community area where people can wait for pax while eating, drinking, being merry, and the foolproof security set-up are all hallmarks of new thinking in terminal design.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 11):
What about Terminal B at SJC?

Is it done yet? I've been flying into SJC at least once a year since '06 and it seems like it's perpetually under construction.


User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting mattrockIND (Reply 14):
Is it done yet? I've been flying into SJC at least once a year since '06 and it seems like it's perpetually under construction.

For all intents and purposes, it may as well be done, but it does have a Phase 2 that can be built if the capacity is needed.

Quoting as739x (Reply 13):
American will move to the renovated terminal 1 in coming years once it's complete. That being said, that will give AA a good 4 years in T-2 using common use gates with VX.

I think that plan has died down, considering AA is building an Admiral's Club in T2; I don't see any point in AA building one only to abandon it and have another one built 4 years later. They're planning to connect T2, T1, and IT-A on the sterile side, anyway.



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting anonms (Reply 15):
For all intents and purposes, it may as well be done, but it does have a Phase 2 that can be built if the capacity is needed.

I concur with that. Terminal B's up and running and, to my knowledge, they aren't doing any more work on Terminal B. Last I saw, the only work they were doing was tearing down the old Terminal C building and clearing out the rubble...they've probably finished that by now (I haven't been to SJC in a few weeks, surprisingly), so I don't know if they're doing anything at all at the moment. I thought I had heard somewhere that the Phase 2 portion's beginning construction, but I didn't see anything on SJC's website, so I think I have that wrong.

I just wish there was more parking...it seems like too much of the garage is dedicated to the rental cars, and they decided to eliminate most of the designated limo-only spots (and, since, as I understand it, limos aren't allowed to park in non-designated spots, I'm REALLY unhappy about this). Other than that, it's been working quite well!

Back on topic   does anyone know if SFO's finalized their plans for renovating T1? I recall there being three ideas in the works, but never heard if anything had been finalized...



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting anonms (Reply 15):

Actually I can tell you no, the plan has not died. This has been discussed in a previous thread. The plan is for AA moving to T-1 when complete and yes it's odd to build the Admirals club for 4 years or so. But as of right now the plan. This will open up T-2, if needed, down the line to be VX's terminal.

T-2 connecting to sterile A side, thats news to me!

Quoting warden145 (Reply 16):

I believe they have decided with the design "Modified Linear B/A C". This will keep the Delta concourse C which SFO has elected to keep. The terminal will also have a sterile walkway to Customs in the International terminal, A-side. Legacyin may have some more informations on this. This would benefit AA if they were to fly international down the road.

http://www.aci-na.org/static/entransit/Fantoni.pdf

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

I absolutely love SFO... very chill and pleasant, easy to get in/out of, and the food is fantastic!! Love the Red Carpet Club as well... view of the airfield is awesome. Watched a LH 744 lift off the other day from the club... gorgeous! The new T2 looks beautiful... hope the remodeled T1 will be as nice.


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User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
T-2 connecting to sterile A side, thats news to me!

I recall seeing it somewhere in an older thread that someone said it was planned.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting nycdave (Reply 9):
Yeah, can't wait to see it in action too! SFO has really become, in my mind, the best of the US "gateway" airports. Can't think of another one that's even close to pleasant, much less actually nice.

I love SFO. It's so much nicer than Oakland in terms of rental car access, plus I don't have to worry about getting shot if I miss a turn getting out of the airport.   That being said, I'd hardly call SFO the "best" gateway airport around. Seattle is nicer, plus there aren't the massive delays that affect operations. Denver is another nice airport.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 11):
What about Terminal B at SJC?

It's finished. It sure would be nice to stick a covered walkway to the rental car garage so you don't get soaked on the walk over there.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 16):
Last I saw, the only work they were doing was tearing down the old Terminal C building and clearing out the rubble...they've probably finished that by now (I haven't been to SJC in a few weeks, surprisingly), so I don't know if they're doing anything at all at the moment. I thought I had heard somewhere that the Phase 2 portion's beginning construction, but I didn't see anything on SJC's website, so I think I have that wrong.

I was there last week. They were still moving some dirt, and will likely pave over it once the weather breaks. I flew through SJC twice in a week back in Oct/Nov and on Monday's trip Terminal C was there, and by Thursday it was gone.   I don't think phase 2 will start anytime soon. They're really having a tough time at SJC paying for terminal B.


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
Seattle is nicer, plus there aren't the massive delays that affect operations. Denver is another nice airport.

Yeah, but those don't exactly have anywhere near the density of int'll flights that SFO does.


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
Quoting warden145 (Reply 11):
What about Terminal B at SJC?

It's finished. It sure would be nice to stick a covered walkway to the rental car garage so you don't get soaked on the walk over there.

I hear that! I was asking the question rhetorically, in response to the article saying that only 4 terminals had been built post-9/11 (and they didn't include SJC's in that list). You're absolutely right, though; a covered walkway would be a very nice thing to have. I also wish OAK's parking lot was covered, but if wishes were fishes... *sigh*

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
I was there last week. They were still moving some dirt, and will likely pave over it once the weather breaks. I flew through SJC twice in a week back in Oct/Nov and on Monday's trip Terminal C was there, and by Thursday it was gone. I don't think phase 2 will start anytime soon. They're really having a tough time at SJC paying for terminal B.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest...I'm surprised they found the money to build Phase 1, to be honest. Seems like SJC never has enough money, which is a shame...it's a good little airport, and MANY of my clients have expressed a preference for flying out of SJC instead of SFO, but often are forced to go out of SFO because the flight they need simply isn't available out of SJC.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Quoting anonms (Reply 19):

Nope. No plans to connect T-2 with the international terminal.



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 23):
Nope. No plans to connect T-2 with the international terminal.

While a direct airside connection between T2 and the International Terminal wouldn't be feasible, why not connect T2 to T1 on one side and T3 on the other side? If they're planning an airside connection between T1 and the International Terminal A, this would connect the entire airport air-side (albeit with a VERY long walk, as I imagine any sort of people-mover wouldn't be feasible), which might be handy for pax making connections.



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25 chrisair : Is there a need to connect everything airside? It's handy for a Delta passenger, for example, but are there many people that go from, say United to B
26 warden145 : Depending on where US ends up after all the shuffling around, it might come in handy for someone transferring from UA to US. Also, OZ's still in Int'
27 anonms : Well, doing that would basically be the same as connecting T2 to IT-A, assuming T1-C and T1-B will be connected on the sterile side since T1 does sta
28 warden145 : Sorry, guess I didn't make myself clear. I meant it wouldn't be feasible to have some sort of bridge directly connecting T2 with the International Te
29 anonms : When I was mentioning connecting T2 to IT-A originally, I wasn't implying anything direct. I figured going through T1 was the most obvious way any co
30 MAH4546 : JFK's T5 and T8 and MIA's South and North Concourses are top notch facilities.
31 as739x : Logistics and price. Why not, we'd have to ask the city of S.F. But there would be no place to put a connector anyhow. And as you said it's a heck of
32 KSBD : A source very close to this project told me T2 will have United and Delta only.
33 legacyins : T2 is for VX (long term) and AA, possible short term. T2 only has 14 gates (1-2 for wide bodies) so UA definitely will not be moving there as they mu
34 anonms : {citation needed} And if AA winds up remaining in T2, it further establishes a case for connection T2, T1, and IT-A on the sterile side.
35 KSBD : Can B6 and VX both utilize 14 gates? Will WN just stay in T3?
36 anonms : If AA does indeed move to T1, then it's likely B6 and WN would move into T2. WN is currently in T1, btw.
37 legacyins : With VX growth plans, they will have no problem using the gates. Herb Keller once said SFO can grow up to 100 daily flights of they have the space.
38 Post contains links Elevated : Ahh, the infamous "close source" insider talk. Completely false. I could see United/Continental consolidating gates with their Empire. Here is the pu
39 KSBD : Oops, I meant T1, I get the 2 mixed up. So with VX and B6 moving in together, maybe future merger talk??[Edited 2010-12-21 17:05:51]
40 Elevated : Where do you get your "information" and speculation from? Seriously. It's American and Virgin in T2. How do you go from jetBlue moving in there to a
41 Amwest2united : Harrisburg can be added to the list!
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