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The Future Of IAH  
User currently offlinesnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13162 times:

Hello everyone. The last time that I could find this topic posted was in 2006 so I thought it was time for an update. I have been looking over the master plan that was proposed in '06 and see that not a lot has started. Of all of the changes I can only see a few having been started. They have finished the monorail extension to terminal A, and they have created a cellphone waiting lot but not a whole lot else appears to be getting done. Does anyone else have any information on the future changes? At almost five years in I would think things would be moving along faster.

Thank you in advance for your insight!
SNN


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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13158 times:

For starters they need to build another international terminal because terminal D is operating at full capacity.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

The Terminal B expansion/reconstruction was put on hold due to economy...but I don't what the current status is.


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User currently offlinemdl21483 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12788 times:

at least B North had the makeshift piers constructed to the B84+ stands before they delayed the construction.

true, Terminal D traffic is pegged in the afternoon/early evening, but the morning slots should still be wide open for any possible Asian Nonstops and new foreign regional carriers.

any details on if the terminal extensions out of where D5 and D11 are now are on hold until another FIS can be made to centralize all of Express into B?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3177 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting snn2003 (Thread starter):
I have been looking over the master plan that was proposed in '06 and see that not a lot has started.

Perhaps because a lot was being completed by then. Triple IFR arrival airfield with the construction of runway 26R/8L; Terminal E; a huge new air cargo facility on the north side; and reconstruction of runway 15R/33L and associated taxiways for improved air carrier departure flow.

These were huge infrastructure investments in a short amount of time; not sure what you'd expect here after all the work they've done.

[Edited 2010-12-19 00:21:01]


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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3945 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 1):
For starters they need to build another international terminal because terminal D is operating at full capacity.
Quoting mdl21483 (Reply 3):
true, Terminal D traffic is pegged in the afternoon/early evening, but the morning slots should still be wide open for any possible Asian Nonstops and new foreign regional carriers.

Ditto....... There are times in the AM (7-10AM), that one could through a bowling ball the length of 'D' (ticketing/check in) and not hit anyone.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3426 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11737 times:

Does anyone think UA will ever pull down IAH as a hub?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
Does anyone think UA will ever pull down IAH as a hub?

On the contrary, UA have stated IAH will be their largest hub.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11510 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
Does anyone think UA will ever pull down IAH as a hub?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):

On the contrary, UA have stated IAH will be their largest hub.

Yep...funny thing is I think IAH has seen more expansion announcements from the New UA than CO has done in the past decade. CO has centered nearly all of its growth out of EWR (understandably so)...but since the announced merger we see: RNO, BFL, YUL, AKL, LOS, ASE, HOB along with upgauges to ORD, IAD, SFO/LIM (763), and DEN.



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User currently onlineandrew50 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10873 times:
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IAH always amazes me the way they operate with departures. 5 runways, yet I have been in the queue to takeoff, either on 15L or 15R, for up to 30 minutes! The record for me, and I was not flying, but my son was, was 45 minutes. I would think CO/United would somehow scatter departure times. The 7 and 9 pm pushes are ridiculous! There is talk to add another runway in the future, not exactly sure why that is needed.

User currently offlinesnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 2):

The Terminal B expansion/reconstruction was put on hold due to economy...but I don't what the current status is.

Any idea on when they will continue the B renovation?



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User currently offlineCoairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9507 times:

Actually.......I believe the new UA will close IAH as a hub and expand CLE...............Just kidding!

The new UA needs IAH badly, and IAH will remain the largest of all 8 domestic hubs. Currently, IAH is approximately 25% larger than the next largest combined airline hub of DEN and ORD including regional traffic according to the government's BTS stats. ORD and DEN are battling for the 2nd largest new UA hub. What surprises me is how large DEN is, and how close in traffic it is to ORD. DEN almost seems way too big for a city of it's size.

IAH is key to this merger and will remain an important component to the new UA. For those of you frequent fliers who use IAH, no need to worry, as IAH will remain a massive, and the largest hub of the new UA. Also, if you work at IAH as a CO employee, I think you have great job security, as opposed to the folks in CLE.



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User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4997 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

From what I have heard from someone in the Houston Aviation System is that eventually IAH will look a lot like ATL when they are through. A & B will eventually be torn down to make way for larger terminals. But this won't happen for years to come.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5249 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
Does anyone think UA will ever pull down IAH as a hub?

Only if they're stupid. Seriously, you won't see UA pull down IAH at any time in the foreseeable future. IAH will be to UA what ATL and DFW are to DL and AA respectively.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
On the contrary, UA have stated IAH will be their largest hub.

It's already the largest hub between the two carriers is it not?



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User currently offlineCoairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8774 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 16):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
On the contrary, UA have stated IAH will be their largest hub.

It's already the largest hub between the two carriers is it not?

IAH is approximately 25% larger than the next hub, either DEN or ORD by traffic according to BTS. IAH is #1 by a significant size. These figures include Regional Traffic.



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

IAH is one of my favorite major domestic airports in the USA, tied with Sky Harbor (based on the airport's themselves, not necessarily the cities they are in).

Houston Intercontinental has flow. It's easy to get in and out of the airport, *despite* the construction. Need to overnight? The airport Marriott is top-notch and relatively cheap--I've stayed there many times. While not heavily used, the underground tram is remarkably efficient.

But in my mind, one of Houston's biggest assets is its cargo facilities. That's where I see the most expansion potential.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting Coairman (Reply 14):
ORD and DEN are battling for the 2nd largest new UA hub. What surprises me is how large DEN is, and how close in traffic it is to ORD.

What? ORD and DEN aren't really close in size at all. ORD has between 200-220 mainline flights and around 600 flights overall. DEN has about 150 mainline flights and about 400 overall. Factor in that ORD see many more widebody flights than DEN and it's really not close at all.



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User currently offlineCoairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 19):
Quoting Coairman (Reply 14):
ORD and DEN are battling for the 2nd largest new UA hub. What surprises me is how large DEN is, and how close in traffic it is to ORD.

What? ORD and DEN aren't really close in size at all. ORD has between 200-220 mainline flights and around 600 flights overall. DEN has about 150 mainline flights and about 400 overall. Factor in that ORD see many more widebody flights than DEN and it's really not close at all.

According to BTS ORD has the following numbers:

UA Mainline - 16,026
Skywest - 3,470 (united express?)
Mesa - 1,737 (united express?)

TOTAL ORD UA & Regional : 21,233

This does not include any United Express flying via Expressjet.
Here is the link: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1


UA/UAX DEN HUB numbers:

UA Mainline- 13,701
Skywest - 6,006 (united express)

TOTAL DEN UA & Regional: 19,7007

Here is the link : http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1

Based on the above info, DEN is not much smaller than ORD. The difference is that ORD has more mainline traffic than DEN, but DEN has more regional traffic for UA.

I assuming that all the Mesa and Skywest flying is exclusively for UAX. Please correct me if I am wrong. As I mentioned above, I did not include any ORD Expressjet flying in the ORD totals.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 10):
IAH always amazes me the way they operate with departures. 5 runways, yet I have been in the queue to takeoff, either on 15L or 15R, for up to 30 minutes! The record for me, and I was not flying, but my son was, was 45 minutes.



     

It is amazing to sit out there with all the northbound departures or westbound departures and often only see 15R being used, one can watch almost the entire episode of a sitcom before the wheels are in the wells.......and they all are not using the same departure fix in the case of the northbounds.



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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Quoting Coairman (Reply 20):

You also didn't include Shuttle America, GoJet, and Trans States flying for UAX either. Some Skywest (and possibly Mesa depending on when the statistics were from) could have Delta Connection flying included.


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

I'll change the topic into service I'd like to see at IAH including pie-in-the-sky wishes.

UA/CO needs to expand/return to Boise, Oakland, Maui, Jackson Hole, San Angelo, Abilene, Texarkana, Wichita Falls, Lincoln, Ft Smith, Springfield MO, Madison, Quad Cities, Ft Wayne, Chattanooga, Montgomery, Tallahassee, Gainesville, Sarasota, Augusta, Myrtle Beach, Wilmington NC, Buffalo, Rochester, Hartford, and Providence. Outside of the domestic US, I'd like to see service to Guam (either non-stop or via LAX same plane), Hong Kong, Santiago, Maracaibo, Medellin, Guayaquil, Santo Domingo, Havana, Madrid, Brussels, Rome, Tel-Aviv, and Dubai.

I'd also like to see NK enter the market with flights to Ft Lauderdale. AS needs to go to double daily to SEA. AA to JFK would make sense to me too.

As for foreign flag carriers, how about the following;

AC mainline to Toronto
LH to Munich
OZ to Seoul
CA to Beijing
NZ to Auckland (I'd rather fly this route with NZ than UA/CO)!


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
AC mainline to Toronto
LH to Munich
OZ to Seoul
CA to Beijing
NZ to Auckland (I'd rather fly this route with NZ than UA/CO)!

AC mainline to Toronto seems reasonable. Both Houston and Toronto are oil destinations and there has been mainline on this route in the past.

LH to MUC could probably be done, but I would rather see LX to ZRH and I dont think they could both be supported. However, one is not out of the question.

OZ to Seoul. I dont really think so. Truth of the matter is that traffic to Korea from Texas is heavily weighted toward Dallas and if KE didnt step in when CO was part of Skyteam, I dont think OZ (who offers inferior connections and a smaller network) will be at IAH. KE had years to leave DFW for IAH. DFW offered only Dallas originating traffic whereas IAH could have offered a large hub on the America end of it. The fact that they didnt speaks loudly to me.

CA to Beijing. IAH-PEK is a route that could totally work in my opinion. However, I think it will be CO, not CA that flies it in due time.

NZ to AKL. This isnt a two carrier market. If CO goes in first, thats who will fly this one.

As for your list of CO destinations to IAH, I could see maybe 20-25% of the ones you listed being started. A lot of those markets just arent large enough.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
Outside of the domestic US, I'd like to see service to Guam (either non-stop or via LAX same plane), Hong Kong, Santiago, Maracaibo, Medellin, Guayaquil, Santo Domingo, Havana, Madrid, Brussels, Rome, Tel-Aviv, and Dubai.

FCO, HKG, and MAD have long been on my wish list for CO, so maybe with the 788s finally entering service!

BRU makes sense especially when timed to their African departures.

As for DXB, I think CO may have to wait to see how EK's 2nd daily turns out and if there is room for a 3rd flight.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
AC mainline to Toronto

Can the E190 make it to IAH? I would love to see and try these birds from IAH.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
LH to Munich

I would like to see LH take over CO's IAH-FRA service for 2x-daily 744 service and UACO start IAH-MUC.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
OZ to Seoul

As LAXDude said, don't think this would work. It could if OZ could find a way to generate sizable yields from the IAH-SE Asia VFR segment.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
CA to Beijing

This could be possible within the next 3-5yrs if UACO doesn't start PEK first.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 23):
NZ to Auckland (I'd rather fly this route with NZ than UA/CO)

   While I would have loved NZ to have started this route, I'm looking forward to CO starting it whenever those darn 788s finally enter service!!!



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7170 times:

If anything, I would think that IAH's position is more secure than ever. UA did not have any fortress hubs but CO has two, EWR and IAH. CLE is a fortress hub in a way, although few airlines were interested in muscling in there. UA/CO will do whatever it takes to maintain its position at those two hubs, possibly at the expense of DEN, ORD, CLE and IAD.

However, I am sorry to see that the revolving restaurant in the Marriott will be demolished eventually as part of the master plan.


User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3945 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 25):

Can the E190 make it to IAH? I would love to see and try these birds from IAH.

AC ran their 170s for while a few years *(07/08) back but downgraded back to Jazz, so I suspect that their 190s have the legs. I too would like to see AC go mainline once again either to CYYZ, CYYC or CYUL.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 25):
While I would have loved NZ to have started this route, I'm looking forward to CO starting it whenever those darn 788s finally enter service!!!

You and me both.

Thomas



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25 drerx7 : I can't wait to see if we will see anymore domestic widebodies or see UA 777/767/744s route through IAH.
26 COflyerBOS : Houston needs an Asian carrier and Seoul is a perfect spot to connect from. OZ offers service to numerous cities in which Houstonians could fill fligh
27 LAXdude1023 : As of 2009, here are some Asian American, numbers by metro area: 1.Los Angeles, CA/Riverside, CA - 2,222,172 2. New York, NY - 1,911,555 3. San Franc
28 COflyerBOS : Why would Korean leave the DFW market? They are the lone Asian carrier there and have been serving the area for multiple years. It's obviously success
29 LAXdude1023 : OZ doesnt serve Malaysia and while there is traffic from IAH to the Philippines, vitually none of it is high yield. Not to mention Japan has a nonsto
30 yellowtail : DXB- Ek already serves it 2X daily CHA- CoEx had it and dropped it Santiago, Guayaquil were also serves already too I believe.
31 thomasphoto60 : Indeed GYE was dropped a few years back, however, I don't believe that SCL was ever serviced from IAH. Thomas
32 COflyerBOS : Quite a few of my wish-list routes were dropped when the economy tanked, including Guayaquil, Chattanooga, Boise, Tallahassee, San Angelo, Abilene, an
33 ULMFlyer : Out of curiosity and in the spirit of avoiding a new thread, why are there 2 An-124s at IAH? Just saw them during landing. Thanks!
34 thomasphoto60 : It's not all that uncommon to see two of those giants here at one time, though it is usually one. I suppose that there is a lot of heavy equipment go
35 Cubsrule : SCL was served on D10s and possibly 752s in the (relatively short) days of the LIM scissor hub - I don't think CO has ever served it nonstop from the
36 FlyingSicilian : Volga-Dnepr has their North American office in The Woodlands/Houston. They are large players in the area for oil equipment (the 225 has come in before
37 drerx7 : IAH is the US base for VolgaDnepr I believe. Russians are no stranger to IAH with the oil and gas industry and all. AN124 & 225 as well as the IL
38 Adam T. : What was the LIM scissor hub about? Was this is a focus city/small hub that CO set up in LIM?
39 Cubsrule : It was barely a hub and was in the late 90s or early 2000s. My recollection is that there were a couple of flights northbound (EWR and IAH) and a cou
40 STT757 : CO flew nonstop EWR-SCL with the DC-10-30. CO moved the EWR-SCL nonstop to EWR-LIM-SCL, also around the same time CO launched IAH-LIM-VVI. Both with
41 Cubsrule : Thank you for correcting my extremely deficient CO history.
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