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EgyptAir Will Return To Baghdad After 20 Years  
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

EgyptAir began its preparations for the resumption of flights between Cairo and Baghdad, with seven flights a week after a hiatus of 20 years.

Said Engineer Hussain Masood, president of the holding company for Egypt Air: The Negotiations between the aviation authorities of both countries is over, where Egypt Air will operate one flight daily, and there are attempts to run flights between Cairo And Arbil in northern Iraq , and it is expected to be operational in the coming months Where we seek to return the volume of traffic traveling between the two countries as was the case 20 Years ago .

He added that after the increase the company's fleet to 73 aircraft . On January 16 the Airline will open a new route between Egypt and Zambia, with four flights a week, and to Abidjan in March . In May a new route between Cairo and Toronto And Washington .

Source : http://almesryoon.com/news.aspx?id=45767 (Only in Arabic)

N.B: I am too lazy to translate so i used an online translation tool , so the translation might not be the best .

Interesting to see Baghdad and may be Arbil online . It is also to note that Washington was mentioned in the article as a new route next Summer .

[Edited 2010-12-19 06:50:25]


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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 17 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):
Source : http://almesryoon.com/news.aspx?id=45767 (Only in Arabic)


Nice picture in the article of the old livery  

Too bad the article does not mention what aircraft will be deployed on the Baghdad route. I guess the E170?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 1):

Too bad the article does not mention what aircraft will be deployed on the Baghdad route. I guess the E170?

No mention in the article regarding the A/C type , Baghdad used to be a very busy route for MS before the war but of course things have changed ,. I wouldn't rule out an E-170 at least as a start .

Airlines that have started Baghdad service include : Turkish,Etihad,Royal Jordanian,MEA,GulfAir .

EgyptAir will not be the 1st Airline from Egypt to land in Baghdad after the war , as privately owned Nile Air has started flights between Cairo and Baghdad using an A320 last month (November) .

Lufthansa and Austrian announced they would begin flights to Baghdad but then canceled their plans later on citing poor demand , while Emirates canceled its plan to launch Baghdad for "operational" reasons .



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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5001 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 2):
Baghdad used to be a very busy route for MS before the war but of course things have changed


Things have changed indeed, Iraq used to have a very large population of Egyptian workers. All have left the country when Iraq invaded Kuwait and Egypt chose to support the liberation of Kuwait afterwards.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 2):
EgyptAir will not be the 1st Airline from Egypt to land in Baghdad after the war , as privately owned Nile Air has started flights between Cairo and Baghdad using an A320 last month (November) .


I can remember that Iraqi Airlines or private Iraqi airline operated flights into CAI already more than two years ago. Don't know what the current status of these flights is.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

I think all the E70s have been spoken for-to be hoenst I'm surprised MS didn't order more. A lot of low-volume routes would work with the E70.
Cairo-Baghdad will no doubt work-there are no longer hundreds of thousands of Egyptians in Iraq like before, but there is is a sizeable Iraqi population in Egypt, not to mention a lot of Egyptian companies will want in on a slice of reconstruction pie in Iraq.
What's really surprising is the mention of CAI-IAD; we all considered it given the hub-to-hub dynamics of that route, but I don't think anyone expected it to come online so soon. We'll have MS doing CAI-JFK and CAI-YYZ plus UA on EWR-CAI and DL JFK-CAI by next summer. Can the market sustain that level of demand?
Interesting to see how LH will react. A lot of Egypt-North America traffic used to be funelled through FRA and MUC, and now a lot of those pax wil shift to the nonstops to N.A.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 3):
Things have changed indeed, Iraq used to have a very large population of Egyptian workers. All have left the country when Iraq invaded Kuwait and Egypt chose to support the liberation of Kuwait afterwards.


It is funny how things change , 20 years ago , there were hundreds of thousands of Egyptians living and working in Iraq . Now , there are tens of thousands of Iraqi Immigrants living in Egypt .

Quoting directorguy (Reply 4):
I think all the E70s have been spoken for-to be hoenst I'm surprised MS didn't order more. A lot of low-volume routes would work with the E70.


Originally , they were ordered for shuttle-type domestic routes , but MS i deploying them on low traffic regional routes like Cairo-Budapest and Malta , and Alexandria-Beirut...etc.

Now i wonder , is Tehran at all on Egyptair's radar ? Although there is no economic nor political ties right now between the 2 countries , but there is a sizable Persian populations in the U.S,Canada and Europe that might connect to Tehran via Cairo .



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

This is wonderful news! I sure hope that it does well, and I am happy to see Iraq returning back to some normalcy. I would be delighted to see more carriers flying into Iraq.


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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
It is funny how things change , 20 years ago , there were hundreds of thousands of Egyptians living and working in Iraq . Now , there are tens of thousands of Iraqi Immigrants living in Egypt .

Yes, it's a different world today. CAI-SDA is a much smaller market now, but it is still viable with lower capacity.
E170 would be ideal, but it sounds like a 737 is going to operate the route. Does MS have any plans to increase it's Embraer fleet?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 7):
Does MS have any plans to increase it's Embraer fleet?

In 2006 , EgyptAir ordered 6 E-170 + 6 options , then in 2007 they exercised the 6 options . I am not aware of any plans to order more .



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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
Now i wonder , is Tehran at all on Egyptair's radar ? Although there is no economic nor political ties right now between the 2 countries , but there is a sizable Persian populations in the U.S,Canada and Europe that might connect to Tehran via Cairo .

Nothing in the news so far-I thought Egypt had signed a recent bilateral with Iran, permitting 28 weekly flights (14 for each side I presume) on CAI-THR? Hope the government has the guts to award the frequencies to Egyptair, rather than Air Sinai. I do think that range permitting, CAI-THR would work pretty well with an E70. There are tons of niches that the E70/E90 can fill from CAI, not to mention from other Egyptian cities.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3891 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
Now i wonder , is Tehran at all on Egyptair's radar ? Although there is no economic nor political ties right now between the 2 countries , but there is a sizable Persian populations in the U.S,Canada and Europe that might connect to Tehran via Cairo .
Quoting directorguy (Reply 9):
Nothing in the news so far-I thought Egypt had signed a recent bilateral with Iran, permitting 28 weekly flights (14 for each side I presume) on CAI-THR? Hope the government has the guts to award the frequencies to Egyptair, rather than Air Sinai. I do think that range permitting, CAI-THR would work pretty well with an E70. There are tons of niches that the E70/E90 can fill from CAI, not to mention from other Egyptian cities.

I too read recently that Egypt and Iran signed a bilateral permitting flights between CAI and THR. This stroke me as odd as since the Islamic Revolution and the Camp David Agreements at least political ties between Egypt and Iran have been broken. And in recent wikileak reports president Mubarak has not expressed himself very friendly over the Iranian government... But back to a possible CAI-THR route, why would the E70 not make it as it can also do CAI-BUD?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 2):
EgyptAir will not be the 1st Airline from Egypt to land in Baghdad after the war , as privately owned Nile Air has started flights between Cairo and Baghdad using an A320 last month (November) .

A slight correction :

Nile Air will launch twice-weekly Cairo-Baghdad service on Jan. 11, and weekly Cairo-Erbil-Sulaymaniyah-Cairo service the following day, aboard an Airbus A320. It will become the first Egyptian carrier to offer service between Egypt and Iraq after nearly two decades of service suspension.

Quoting directorguy (Reply 9):

Nothing in the news so far-I thought Egypt had signed a recent bilateral with Iran, permitting 28 weekly flights (14 for each side I presume) on CAI-THR?

With the fast expansion of MS network , i don't rule out THR at all .

Quoting directorguy (Reply 9):
Hope the government has the guts to award the frequencies to Egyptair, rather than Air Sinai

In a lot of occasions , Air Sinai flies to TLV using EgyptAir 735's painted with EgyptAir logo .

Quoting HECA (Reply 10):
But back to a possible CAI-THR route, why would the E70 not make it as it can also do CAI-BUD?

I believe the E-170 will be able to make it to THR , but to be honest , i have no idea what LF would look like on such a route .



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