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ROC Airport Director's Smoke Screen  
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...-fires-up-cigars-to-stoke-business

So nice ,no wonder NYS has a $9 BILLION budget gap!!!!! No wonder he never returned my emails about a possible spotting 'spot. What a joke.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

In and of itself, it seems fine to me for Damelio to meet with airline representatives at cigar shops and bars. If they like meeting there, he knows something about it, and it helps him get results. I I don't know a lot about the economic development business; $21,000 in two years admittedly sounds like a lot. He should have recorded better info--who from what airline he met, and maybe general terms about what they discussed (I can understand not wanting to release competitive information).

What the Democrat and Chronicle missed is information available in their fellow Gannett publication USA Today. Despite Damelio's smoke diplomacy, ROC's seat capacity dropped 8 percent in 2010. I can't find the chart right now, but BUF, SYR, and ALB all had much lesser capacity losses, and one of them--I think BUF--*gained* capacity. Our economy certainly isn't worse than our Upstate neighbors'. So why are our seats getting whacked so badly?

I'm not sure I buy the claim that Damelio saved American Eagle service. ALB got cut because of competition from WN at MDW, something ROC does not have. And I find it *very* strange that JetBlue didn't find sufficient demand to keep their ROC-MCO flight. Many markets our size support two dailies to MCO (our other of course being on AirTran). I'm not convinced that there was a "lack of interest," and would like to know more.

Jim



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

eh, this is nothing new. This is the life of airline planning & marketing. I couldn't even begin to start about all the freebies I've received.


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User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

$21,000 in two years is PEANUTS in terms of lobbying -- or marketing, for that matter! Certainly no private company would be able to get away with spending so *little*! Still, no excuse for not better tracking expenses and results.

I can definitely understand ROC suffering worse capacity losses though -- Kodak keeps slipping further and further. There's regrettably little of Rochester's economic base left. Syracuse hasn't *gained* anything, but it also hasn't lost much either (like there's anything to lose!).

BUF will always be insulated by having a bigger metro area to draw from, including from across the border. Plus, it gets no small amount of Niagara Falls and Toronto traffic, due to cheaper fares than YYZ. ALB will always be insulated a bit by the state government being there. ROC and SYR kind of have to compete a bit for everything in between that's leisure traffic. For a family flying to MCO once a year on vacation, it would be worth it to drive an hour down the Thruway for a better deal.

I'd imagine SYR also benefits a bit from it's positioning for cargo -- much more area available for that, for processing centers, plus easy access to I-90 and I-81.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3336 times:

Looks like he's in hot water. Good.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...-directs-review-of-airport-s-books



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3069 times:

And the plot thickens......typical Monroe County.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...ver-Up/lJ44ZoLMJ0SeBiBGUPa6Mg.cspx



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

And today,he reisgned........

filler



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

No surprise. IMO it was not that big a deal; airport directors in medium and small markets have to do a lot of lobbying just to keep up with all of the other medium- and small-market directors who want your RJ's and 717's at their airports. Air service is a harshly competitive business nowadays, with a shrunken pie of available seats for medium- and small-size markets.

But the County Executive has other things on her plate, like dealing with unfunded mandates, and doesn't need the distraction. My guess is that Damelio was told to resign.

Interesting that the resignation comes one day after the Democrat and Chronicle ran a very positive story about fares and enplanements the airport. The only thing they missed was the declining seat capacity, and why we're losing more seat percentage than Syracuse and Albany.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineCitrus737ROC From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Hmmmm very interesting!!

I was never a fan of Damelio anyways, I guess I should give him credit for keeping what is still left for the airport, but he really didn't do all that much considering!!


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

He never returned my well-written email 2 months ago i sent him about a spotters area. Nothing ! HAHA!!


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
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My thought is, if he developed lung cancer and the airport paid for the cigars could he sue to get his medical bills paid? I think so.


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