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Air Canada Summer 11 International Update  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16870 times:

Some updates to share based on what is loaded in GDS and AC.COM

YVRPEK to 777-300 from B767-300
YVRTokyo double daily B767-300 (1 to HND and 1 to NRT)

YYCLHR to single daily B777-300

YYZCPH daily from 5 weekly
YYZMAD daily from 5 weekly
YYZZRH A330 from B763

YULLHR to double daily B763 from single daily A330
YULBRU A330 from B763
YULCDG only single daily 773 from 2 daily

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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16857 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Thread starter):
YULCDG only single daily 773 from 2 daily

looks like the AF A380 that's planned on CDG-YUL is already having some impact on AC's operations on the same route.

Wasn't that second YUL-CDG flight a YVR originator? Will YVR continue to have a summer seasonal CDG flight?

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2010-12-19 10:59:10]


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16800 times:

YVR-CDG is a tough market, plenty of volume but yields are very low. The AC884/885 YVR-YUL-CDG will be discontinued in Summer 11 unfortunately.

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 16795 times:

Checked some randon dates in June/July for YVR-CDG, and nothing on AC's schedules.

Wow, that was a short lived route !

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16527 times:

Where else will AC fly its A333s?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 16448 times:
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AC will decrease frequency and capacity on the YYZ-SCL-EZE-SCL-YYZ route from 6x weekly, (B773) to 5x weekly utilizing the B763.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 16178 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 1):
looks like the AF A380 that's planned on CDG-YUL is already having some impact on AC's operations on the same route.


YUL-CDG is a huge market, and as more capacity is added, the yields keep dropping. It would appear that adding more European flights out of YUL to places other than CDG has increased yields. For example, GVA and BRU.



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User currently offlineghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Just did sample booking on AC.com and it looks like the ETOPS A319's will be back again for another summer season on the YYT-LHR route.

User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 14527 times:

Can you really believe that Montréal - a world city - still doesn't have a single nonstop to Asia?

User currently onlineJulian773 From Australia, joined Aug 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 14312 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 4):
Where else will AC fly its A333s?

I believe on YYZ-ZRH, YYZ-MUN,YYZ-YVR, YUL-FRA, YUL-BRU

im not sure if AC876/877 on YYZ-FRA-YYZ is still an A330 or if it got changed to a 763.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 14298 times:
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Quoting FLYYUL (Thread starter):
YULBRU A330 from B763

Interesting that they are already increasing capacity on this route , I guess it must have gotten off to a good start .



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 14186 times:

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 8):
Can you really believe that Montréal - a world city - still doesn't have a single nonstop to Asia?

Not quite correct. RJ operats YUL-AMM nonstop. Assume you agree that Jordan is in Asia.

AC had plans to launch nonstop YUL-BEY service (Lebanon also in Asia) a few years ago but the government withdrew permission at the last minute based on security issues. LY has also operated YUL-TLV nonstop in the past.

Air India also once served YUL but not nonstop.

As far as nonstop service to far east destinations like Japan or China, I'm sure those will eventually happen but YYZ's much larger Asian community makes it a more attractive market. YYZ's concentration of head offices also makes it a much larger business travel market.

I believe the USA has several cities larger than YUL which lack nonstop Asia service.

[Edited 2010-12-19 19:22:43]

[Edited 2010-12-19 19:25:00]

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months ago) and read 13828 times:

A330 deployment based on what is currently loaded

YYZLHR (1)
YYZLHR (2)
YVRYYZ (3)
YYZMUC (4)
YYZFRA (5)
YYZZRH (6)
YULBRU (7)
YYCFRA (8)


User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

BRU going to A330, that's pretty darn good. I bet AC is feeling the burn with the delay in the 787s. Seems that most routes are getting an upgrade...

User currently offlinecarlos1979 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

With all 8 A330s already committed, I guess YOW-LHR is "downgraded" to a 763 again next summer.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13059 times:

Quoting carlos1979 (Reply 14):
With all 8 A330s already committed, I guess YOW-LHR is "downgraded" to a 763 again next summer.

Indeed. With all but one of the A333s committed to Trans-At service, and with reported strong growth outside of Canada, you have to wonder if AC is redoubling their efforts to find a couple more frames, or perhaps some A332s as a small sub-fleet.



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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
Interesting that they are already increasing capacity on this route , I guess it must have gotten off to a good start .
Quoting YYZALA (Reply 13):
BRU going to A330, that's pretty darn good. I bet AC is feeling the burn with the delay in the 787s. Seems that most routes are getting an upgrade...

The route will not only be upgraded to an A330 but will also remain daily after the summerseason. This winter the route was decreased to 4x weekly. So I guess it must be doing really well if they a) upgrade it b) go daily year round and this only after one year of operation.

Edit: it seems that the A333 will go back to the B763 after the summer but it remains daily.

[Edited 2010-12-19 23:35:37]

User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12646 times:
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Will AC codeshare on the new CAI-YYZ route from EgyptAir?

User currently offlineyycramprat From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12266 times:

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 8):
Can you really believe that Montréal - a world city - still doesn't have a single nonstop to Asia?

No, but YYC gets it's thrice weekly NRT flight back again at the end of march!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 8):
Can you really believe that Montréal - a world city - still doesn't have a single nonstop to Asia?

Boston, Miami and Philadelphia don't either, and they all have more trans-Pacific demand than Montreal. It's really not that hard to believe whatsoever.



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 731 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11933 times:

What about the 763 operated service to MAN (summer only)? When will this be announced?

User currently onlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11759 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Thread starter):
YYZMAD daily from 5 weekly

Finally!!!   


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11515 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Boston, Miami and Philadelphia don't either, and they all have more trans-Pacific demand than Montreal. It's really not that hard to believe whatsoever.

Not a true statement. Montreal is largest market, in terms of total demand, unserved to Asia. What is affecting whether or not it gets Asia service is requirement for Asian carriers to send heavy metal, where demand may not be totally support it. No coincidence it also surrounded by important hubs Toronto, Chicago, Newark, Detroit.

With the 787s, i'm sure this becomes a no brainer.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11241 times:

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 8):
Can you really believe that Montréal - a world city - still doesn't have a single nonstop to Asia?

It can work absolutely with a 787
Hey didn't ANA used to run summer charters into YUL?
YUL served only 12.2 Million passengers last year
YUL can only grow so much from an AC perspective as YYZ is right down the block



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10501 times:
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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
Interesting that they are already increasing capacity on this route , I guess it must have gotten off to a good start .

From my (random) observation on 5 flights so far, at least 2/3 full upfront and full to nearly-full in the back. From the conversations I hear, I'd say AC is making full use of its interline with SN for African flights. Should only get better when AC gets authorization to do a code-share.



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25 thenoflyzone : Japan Air still does, several B744 from NRT, NGO and KIX every Autumn. Thenoflyzone
26 thenoflyzone : When the 787s arrive, watch out for a 3 weekly YUL-NRT, summer seasonal, just like YYC ! Thenoflyzone
27 thenoflyzone : Does that include Western Asia (Read: Lebanon), or just the Far East? Thenoflyzone
28 Post contains images Kaiarahi : And for anyone travelling to/from southern North Rhine-Westphalia (the most densely populated Land in Germany), BRU is closer than FRA and avoids the
29 Skywatcher : Here are the Asian (South Asian/Chinese/Filipino/SE Asian) populations for the 2006 Canadian census for the top 7 metropolitain areas (from Statistics
30 Fly2yyz : I'm sceptical about this. A city like YYC can draw upon its connections with the praries, eastern Canada, the a big chunk of the US connecting onto t
31 FLYYUL : [quote=Fly2yyz,reply=30]I'm sceptical about this. A city like YYC can draw upon its connections with the praries, eastern Canada, the a big chunk of
32 AirNovaBAe146 : Thats exactly it. Whatever traffic YUL is sending to NRT is best funnelled thru YYZ, or nearby US hubs such as JFK, EWR, ORD or DTW. I'd draw a paral
33 thenoflyzone : Care to provide any sources on that? Besides Toronto and Vancouver, looks like Skywatcher (reply 29) just proved you wrong ![Edited 2010-12-22 16:37:
34 Skywatcher : Don't flights from Eastern North America to NRT go over the pole? If so, a non-stop flight from YUL (or BOS) is significantly faster than transferring
35 Viscount724 : Not usually to Japan as that would add several hundred miles to the route. In my experience,east coast-Japan flights normally go over Canada and Alas
36 Post contains images Kaiarahi : I don't know about you, but I come onto a.net to discuss and learn, not to score points. A few thoughts: - Skywatcher's numbers are for CMAs, and do
37 Skywatcher : Nobody is arguing that YYZ isn't a huge Asian population centre, even more so when you count the rest of southern Ontario. YVR also has a massive dema
38 Fly2yyz : And for this connection, between NRT and YYC, there's a tourist component as well besides the ethno cultural connection.
39 Kaiarahi : Agreed. Which is why I think enhanced service from YUL to (particularly) hispanic destinations is more likely than YUL-Asia. Although if you count YE
40 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Or even non-stops to existing markets. When introduced, YOW-FRA allowed me to avoid LHR. I now use YUL-BRU to avoid FRA (and heavy new German air tra
41 FLYYUL : Throw Ottawa in the Montreal catchment, and then the gap between YUL and Alberta increases. Throw in Boston while your at it.. YYC-NRT is a route bas
42 Kaiarahi : For what it's worth, according to the 2006 census: YYC+YEG+YXE+YQR = 305,210 - add YWG = 375,050 YUL+YOW/YND+YQB = 290,145 I'm sure the 2011 census w
43 FLYYUL : Holy geography. Let's play this game then. YYC+YEG+YXE+YQR+YWG vs. YUL+YOW+YQB+BOS+NYC+YHZ.
44 Fly2yyz : I don't get this. It looks as though many people would like to see more non YYZ/YVR non-stop flights to Japan or Asia as a whole. But it seems that un
45 Skywatcher : On paper the YYZ/ORD/DTW etc. hub model makes sense but I've missed too many connections over the years to believe that this is the preferred way to f
46 Kaiarahi : Apples and toothpaste. YYC is already a hub for YEG, YXE, YQR and YWG (westbound). YUL is not a hub for BOS/NYC.
47 FLYYUL : why not? do you know how much traffic AC pulls to Europe from these cities?
48 Kaiarahi : Honestly, I don't. Anecdotally, I've very occasionally been seated with or spoken to the odd Bostonian on YUL-CDG, YUL-FRA, but that's about it. I ca
49 Post contains links Caribb : http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm When you see that the urban area population of Montreal is 3.8 million people, more than Calgary,
50 thenoflyzone : I hate the search engine on here, but i had posted something earlier this year, sort of an AC outlook on the new YUL international line-up they offer
51 Viscount724 : Also eastbound, at least to Europe. For example YXE-YYC-FRA is about 280 nm shorter than via YYZ. From YWG it's shorter via YYZ.
52 thenoflyzone : It might be shorter, the question is, is it cheaper ! Probably not. Thenoflyzone
53 Viscount724 : Yes it often is. Just checked a couple of random YXE-FRA fares for dates in mid-January and the lowest fares of all via YYC. Even a backhaul via YVR
54 Kaiarahi : I wasn't clear - I meant westbound for YWG. Size isn't everything, as the actress said to the bishop. For example, MEX has about 30x YUL's population
55 RAFVC10 : Any news about YMQ / YYZ seasonal B763 to BCN on summer? Regards, Gerard
56 Threepoint : I wonder if the actress values accuracy. Are you referring to the population of MEX (Mexico City - about 21 million), or that of the entire country (
57 SCL767 : That is accurate. AM operates MEX-TIJ-NRT 3x weekly and MEX-TIJ-PVG 2x weekly. Also, AC will operate YYZ-BOG 3x weekly, instead of 4x weekly for Summ
58 yegbey01 : Back in October, My sister flew CDG-YUL and she told me that there was a bunch of folks connecting to the US, specifically, BOS, LGA and like she was
59 Kaiarahi : MEX 21M - I corrected in a subsequent post that was deleted for referring to another deleted post.
60 MarcoPoloWorld : Yes. Some people on this board really hate places like Calgary and Montréal, apparently. And this backtracking argument against flights YUL-Asia onl
61 Kaiarahi : Evidence? It's called a hub. Many airlines have them. If it were that low hanging, someone would have been there already. Why wouldn"t they be? If yo
62 longhauler : One of the advantages of being in an alliance like Star, is that one knows exactly how many people want to go from A to B, every day, every week, eve
63 Caribb : Not sure what happened above. I edited my post and 60% of it disappeared so I suggested deletion What I wanted to say was YUL has it's limitations and
64 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : I was going to spell out EK, but I didn't want it to turn into another UAE vs. Canada thread. But I guees you forced my hand now. Don't get me wrong
65 AirNovaBAe146 : That reason has been spelled out about seven different times in this thread.....go back and re-read if necessary. We do. Except it is not financially
66 thenoflyzone : Because the 787 is not flying yet ! Because the 787 is not here yet ! If YYC can handle traffic to Asia (with 50,000 less Asians living there), then
67 MarcoPoloWorld : I've read them, thank you very much. And none have provided a comprehensive, convincing answer. We'll let others judge who is "foolish", thank you ve
68 Kaiarahi : Quite apart from the fact that other carriers have unused rights, EK were offered additional flights to cities other than YYZ and refused.
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