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Why Not More Long Haul From Orly?  
User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Hi

I was just wondering why there is not more long haul flights from Orly Airport? I compare Paris Orly to London Gatwick. AF seem to have a similar set up there as BA do at LGW (mostly leisure long haul flights). However, would other carriers not be interested in flying there? Or is it a bit like the LHR/LGW thing, in that airlines prefer to fly to CDG over ORY.

Apologies if this has been discussed before but I am interested to hear your responses!

Thanks

BY  

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

AA used to serve Orly but they had to move. Think it was French politics to try and 'promote' CDG


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User currently offlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Hi

AirAsia X will be flying into ORY from KUL (not sure when they start or if it already has), Open Skies also fly ORY to EWR and IAD.

I'm not sure why ORY does not get more long haul services, in the past there was some legal restrictions on services that could be operated to and from ORY. ORY is also closer to Paris but I don't think it has TSV service to other parts of France.

Alex


User currently offlinelofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Not long but BA are starting LHR to ORY

User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
AA used to serve Orly but they had to move. Think it was French politics to try and 'promote' CDG

I remember those days. Took that flight several times as a kid.



Sic 'em bears
User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

What do you mean no Long haul flights ??? AF still serves Mauritius,Reunion,Guyana ,Lots of Caribbean flights from ORY as well as Air Caraibes and Corsair flights ...

User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Hi

Thanks for the responses.

Yeah, I know ORY is closer to Paris, which is why I wondered why there are not more Long haul services in there! Oh well!

Also, never knew that AA used to serve ORY! Interesting!

In a hypothetical sense (disregarding AF and it's SKY partners), do we think that ORY could be used for more long haul flights into Paris?

Oh and in regards to BA serving ORY (which I thing is great), although this is good news it isn't really long haul is it? Although, today it probably is....trying to get from London to Paris I mean!!!!  

Cheers
BY  


User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Not wanting to be rude but if you read my post I don't say there are no long haul flights. I mean, why are there not more?!

And AF does not serve MRU from ORY! That goes from CDG!

Thanks


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

I think it also has to do with airline alliances. Obviously, airlines tend to regroup themselves with their allies. 15yrs ago, longhaul traffic was already done primarily from CDG, so no wonder here. DL and CO moved there when they teamed up with AF, as a matter of example.

ORY is to become a new business district, and as far as transportation is concerned, 2 major developments will come by 2020:

- Fast Metro to Paris (and further South)
- HSR link between the Southwest and the Southeast of the Paris area, with an underground airport station.


User currently offlineplanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

In the early 90's most traffic to the USA orginated from ORY. American, Delta, USAir, and Continental all operated out of ORY South, as did Aeromexico and Wardair Canada. At times I recall seeing up to 3 AA MD-11's parked at remote stands. I believe that during this period only TWA operated out of CDG.

User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting planenutz (Reply 9):
I believe that during this period only TWA operated out of CDG.

No, UA and NW also operated out of CDG. So would CP and AC.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

ORY has flights to MIA with Corsair.

User currently offlineRukundo From France, joined Jan 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
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The main reason is that Orly is limited about numbers of flights each year (about 250 000). Then many airlines use CDG, because it is bigger and the three alliances are based here. Some people think that ORY should be closed, because AF (the main operator) reduces flights in France, with the competition of TGV (high speed rail service). However, ORY has a huge traffic to Spain, Portugal, and to North Africa.

But OpenSky provides flights from ORY to USA. Corsairfly flies to Canada, Africa, Mexico and Caraibes. In 2006 or 2008, DL planned to serve Orly West (the AF hub).

Air France flies to French Overseas Territory, but plans are in the pipeline to move to CDG.

[Edited 2010-12-20 16:08:35]

User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting Rukundo (Reply 12):
Air France flies to French Overseas Territory, but plans are in the pipeline to move to CDG.

There is quite a lot of history in that respect. Until the mid-90s, AF would split flights to MRU, RUN, CAY, SXM, FDF and PTP between ORY (S) and CDG (2A).

Those to/from CDG would convey the usual, 3-class offer (FCY - 343, 741, 742, 74M), while those to/from ORY had the COI lower-tier offer (CYM - 742, 743)

When CDG entered the hub area, AF transfered all its COI flights to CDG (as well as the first morning EWR) from ORY to CDG.

Later on, mayors of cities next to ORY complained about that and feared that the airport would be downgraded, yes, it was the same who were also complaining about the related noise  

So, in 2000, Communist minister for Transport Jean-Claude Gayssot ordered AF to transfer its RUN, CAY, SXM, FDF and PTP flights to ORY (W) again...


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