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Difficult Crosswind Landing Video  
User currently offlinebochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11422 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X40F40mIDGk

Result is a go-around but that is SERIOUSLY windy.

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User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11339 times:

Looks a bit blowy....

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9002 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 11235 times:

Looks like mechanical turbilance, due to the wind direction and the terrain. Seems to be a small mountain range around 3000' high not that far north from the airport.


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User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1577 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

Rijeka airport is on Krk island and I believe it is often subject to unpredictable windy conditions, as is the whole of the bay near Rijeka.

Mark



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User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10203 times:

This video was taken over a year ago and was already posted here not long after it was recorded. From what I recall, the plane diverted to a near by airport--don't remember which one. Someone will remember here, I know it.

[Edited 2010-12-20 20:39:59]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6594 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

In a video like this you really see the wing flexibility !


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User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1577 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

Quoting Elevated (Reply 4):
From what I recall, the plane diverted to a near by airport--don't remember which one.Someone will remember here, I know it.

Pula - PUY. It says so on youtube. An exaggeration but you can practically see PUY from RJK.

Mark

[Edited 2010-12-21 01:36:32]


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User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

I bet that wasn't so much a nasty crosswind as it was a standard autopilot disconnect to finish the landing manually. It's pretty clear where the AP relinquishes control, and 8 seconds later the go around is initiated. If I had to guess, I'd say the flying pilot was overwhelmed and called for G/A, no problem really, but could be ultimately avoided with more manual flying experience.

It's a shame that airlines frown on manual flight, robbing the pilot of needed experience. Perhaps the bean counters believe a go-around is less costly than allowing their pilots to hand fly more often?


User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 7):
It's a shame that airlines frown on manual flight, robbing the pilot of needed experience.

That depends on the airline(ie procedures) and the pilot who is flying, some fly for example a departure or arrival manually up to, or down from, 10,000 ft or higher as often as they can (workload (and ceiling!) permitting...)


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4348 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 7):

I bet that wasn't so much a nasty crosswind as it was a standard autopilot disconnect to finish the landing manually. It's pretty clear where the AP relinquishes control, and 8 seconds later the go around is initiated. If I had to guess, I'd say the flying pilot was overwhelmed and called for G/A, no problem really, but could be ultimately avoided with more manual flying experience.

It's a shame that airlines frown on manual flight, robbing the pilot of needed experience. Perhaps the bean counters believe a go-around is less costly than allowing their pilots to hand fly more often?

That's one recklessly giant leap you're making. Sometimes a landing just doesn't safely work, regardless of your experience. And it's not apparent the PF botched the approach...the wing shows correct and timely inputs to counter the violent rolls. A go-around says more about the prudence of the flight crew than its skill.

It's impossible to draw responsible conclusions about the A/P configuration from that video besides. And all that hoo-hah about airlines frowning on manual flight--hand-flying a modern jet airliner at altitude is a pain in the rear, inefficient, and potentially uncomfortable for passengers. In a busy terminal environment the autopilot is a safety godsend. It's not the be-all end-all for flying the airplane, though. And that airport looks like it could definitely be squirelly--as Zeke mentioned it looks like the aircraft is descending on the lee side of a ridge pretty close to the airport. That can definitely throw a wrench into an otherwise uneventful approach.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 7):
I bet that wasn't so much a nasty crosswind as it was a standard autopilot disconnect to finish the landing manually. It's pretty clear where the AP relinquishes control, and 8 seconds later the go around is initiated. If I had to guess, I'd say the flying pilot was overwhelmed and called for G/A, no problem really, but could be ultimately avoided with more manual flying experience.

It's a shame that airlines frown on manual flight, robbing the pilot of needed experience. Perhaps the bean counters believe a go-around is less costly than allowing their pilots to hand fly more often?

I don't even know where to start with this completely ignorant and ill-informed exposition of blatant fallacies...   

You are wrong on every account, suffice to say.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 9):

That's one recklessly giant leap you're making. Sometimes a landing just doesn't safely work, regardless of your experience. And it's not apparent the PF botched the approach...the wing shows correct and timely inputs to counter the violent rolls. A go-around says more about the prudence of the flight crew than its skill.

It's impossible to draw responsible conclusions about the A/P configuration from that video besides. And all that hoo-hah about airlines frowning on manual flight--hand-flying a modern jet airliner at altitude is a pain in the rear, inefficient, and potentially uncomfortable for passengers. In a busy terminal environment the autopilot is a safety godsend. It's not the be-all end-all for flying the airplane, though. And that airport looks like it could definitely be squirelly--as Zeke mentioned it looks like the aircraft is descending on the lee side of a ridge pretty close to the airport. That can definitely throw a wrench into an otherwise uneventful approach.

        


User currently offlinehigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 4036 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 7):
I'd say the flying pilot was overwhelmed and called for G/A, no problem really, but could be ultimately avoided with more manual flying experience.

It's a shame that airlines frown on manual flight, robbing the pilot of needed experience. Perhaps the bean counters believe a go-around is less costly than allowing their pilots to hand fly more often?

Another flight-simmer making a less than informed observation of actual flight (don't mean to impugn all flight-simmers out there, so sorry to the others)?!

It's windy and yes, the autopilot was probably on most of the way down on the arrival and approach, but you are way off. The increased turbulence doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the autopilot being disconnected. The terrain surrounding the area is hilly, it was windy and at low altitudes, the crosswinds, gusts and turbulence can be much worse than at higher altitudes. Unless you have handled a 737/757/A320 in such conditions, stick to flight sim.

That may sound harsh, but so does your statement about the TUIfly crew.


User currently offlineStickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Just a quick question:
How much hand flying is actually done on an average flight?
Reagrds
Stickers


User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting Stickers (Reply 12):
Just a quick question:
How much hand flying is actually done on an average flight?
Reagrds
Stickers

Too many variables to say. It all depends on workload, conditions, and how much coffee I've had that morning  

Sometimes I turn the A/P on at 400 feet above ground on takeoff and don't turn it off until 50' on approach. Other times I'll fly to cruise. If it's a short leg and the conditions are right I'll hand fly the entire leg. It's good practice, the autopilot can be deferred.



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