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WN Incident In PHL?  
User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 504 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

Appears WN had a pushback incident in PHL either yesterday or early this morning. Two aircraft were parked at E1 and E3 in PHL, each with wing damage. The aircraft at E1 had damage to the trailing edge of the left wing while the aircraft at E3 had damage to the leading edge of the right wing and winglet, spot on where the nav lights used to be. I'm guessing that the aircraft at E1 was pushing back and inadvertently collided with the aircraft at E3, which may have just pushed back or had been waiting to park. Any details?

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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

This A.net thread is the first I'm hearing of the incident. But according to records, both planes are out of service. N913WN is OTS for 8 days due to: Damage, left wing hit by N650SW right wingtip. N650SW OTS for 3 days due to: Damage, right wingtip hit by N913WN left wing.


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User currently offlinevegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

N913WN is a relatively new bird, flew on that one in '08, still had the new aircraft smell  

User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

I guess they finally had some issues that they couldn't ignore until they got to another station. It's amazing how WN never has broken airplanes in certain locations.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

It is obvious that the wing walkers were busy chasing down aircraft that charged for bags instead of watching the handling of their own aircraft....         

grin


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting vegasplanes (Reply 2):
N913WN is a relatively new bird, flew on that one in '08, still had the new aircraft smell

I remember hearing a while back N925WN got her winglet ripped off when she was only a few months old!



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

Isn't N913WN a B-737-700, and N650SW a B-737-300?

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1070 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Does Southwest require one or two wingwalkers, or is that a station by station thing? I always see them with one where I am but I'm not sure if that's standard across their system.


Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4500 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
Isn't N913WN a B-737-700, and N650SW a B-737-300?

yes


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

the FAA Prelim report

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/acc...y_data/events01/media/02_913WN.txt


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):
Does Southwest require one or two wingwalkers, or is that a station by station thing? I always see them with one where I am but I'm not sure if that's standard across their system.

When I've watched them push. They only use one. No one X-ing the crew out. I don't even think I remember a wave off. God forbid you would want to make them wait another 20 seconds for taxi. 0-40 kts in 4.6 seconds  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Where were the Wingwalkers?.


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinegrain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3760 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 10):
When I've watched them push. They only use one. No one X-ing the crew out. I don't even think I remember a wave off. God forbid you would want to make them wait another 20 seconds for taxi. 0-40 kts in 4.6 seconds

What exactly is X-ing the crew out? we have 1 wing walker and a push back driver. we are in headset communication with the captain till we are cleared off after the engines are started.

[Edited 2010-12-22 11:50:22]

User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

At my Airline we have a Pushback driver, the right walker disconnects and the left walker crosses their wands and gives the crew an ok to proceed signal when everyone is out of the way.

User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 388 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 10):
No one X-ing the crew out

That's a pretty good example of how most other airlines work inefficiently. Why do you need a guy to stand there like a dummy holding up crossed wands? What a blatant waste of manpower.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Unfortunately there has been many incidents at Airlines all over due to that person not being a person in view to the crew as a safety precaution. The same could be said how everywhere else outside the US. They don't trust the Push driver to be in communication with the crew while driving. Instead they have the Engineer walking with the aircraft.

User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

WN uses a 2 man crew at the gate. On pushback one is obviously pushing and the other is wing walking. If the accident happened at those gates I would assume they were pushing back from E1 which would require you to turn the plane 90 degrees to the right than a 180 for disconnect. When I worked at WN at PHL the most complicated push was off of D2 and even more complicated if there was a plane on D4.

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