NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6804 times:
Appears WN had a pushback incident in PHL either yesterday or early this morning. Two aircraft were parked at E1 and E3 in PHL, each with wing damage. The aircraft at E1 had damage to the trailing edge of the left wing while the aircraft at E3 had damage to the leading edge of the right wing and winglet, spot on where the nav lights used to be. I'm guessing that the aircraft at E1 was pushing back and inadvertently collided with the aircraft at E3, which may have just pushed back or had been waiting to park. Any details?
QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1801 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6109 times:
This A.net thread is the first I'm hearing of the incident. But according to records, both planes are out of service. N913WN is OTS for 8 days due to: Damage, left wing hit by N650SW right wingtip. N650SW OTS for 3 days due to: Damage, right wingtip hit by N913WN left wing.
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vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5318 times:
N913WN is a relatively new bird, flew on that one in '08, still had the new aircraft smell
silentbob From Vatican City, joined Aug 2006, 1639 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5260 times:
I guess they finally had some issues that they couldn't ignore until they got to another station. It's amazing how WN never has broken airplanes in certain locations.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3700 times:
wn676 From Bosnia and Herzegovina, joined Jun 2005, 846 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
Does Southwest require one or two wingwalkers, or is that a station by station thing? I always see them with one where I am but I'm not sure if that's standard across their system.
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6149 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3290 times:
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1181 posts, RR: 22 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3231 times:
Quoting wn676 (Reply 7): Does Southwest require one or two wingwalkers, or is that a station by station thing? I always see them with one where I am but I'm not sure if that's standard across their system.
When I've watched them push. They only use one. No one X-ing the crew out. I don't even think I remember a wave off. God forbid you would want to make them wait another 20 seconds for taxi. 0-40 kts in 4.6 seconds
grain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 10): When I've watched them push. They only use one. No one X-ing the crew out. I don't even think I remember a wave off. God forbid you would want to make them wait another 20 seconds for taxi. 0-40 kts in 4.6 seconds
What exactly is X-ing the crew out? we have 1 wing walker and a push back driver. we are in headset communication with the captain till we are cleared off after the engines are started.
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1181 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
At my Airline we have a Pushback driver, the right walker disconnects and the left walker crosses their wands and gives the crew an ok to proceed signal when everyone is out of the way.
That's a pretty good example of how most other airlines work inefficiently. Why do you need a guy to stand there like a dummy holding up crossed wands? What a blatant waste of manpower.
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1181 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
Unfortunately there has been many incidents at Airlines all over due to that person not being a person in view to the crew as a safety precaution. The same could be said how everywhere else outside the US. They don't trust the Push driver to be in communication with the crew while driving. Instead they have the Engineer walking with the aircraft.
usair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
WN uses a 2 man crew at the gate. On pushback one is obviously pushing and the other is wing walking. If the accident happened at those gates I would assume they were pushing back from E1 which would require you to turn the plane 90 degrees to the right than a 180 for disconnect. When I worked at WN at PHL the most complicated push was off of D2 and even more complicated if there was a plane on D4.
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