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Vision Airlines To Mimic Allegiant  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Article from the Las Vegas Review-Journal on the Vegas-based Vision Airlines' plan to mimic the Allegiant Air model:

http://www.lvrj.com/business/vision-...make-like-allegiant-112236484.html

A group of new routes and destinations will be announced next month, concentrating on connecting points in the southern United States to Florida. It looks like they might be focusing on MIA and VPS.

It has already launched its first such route, IAG-VPS-MIA, operating 2x weekly.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

I have to say that Vision looking at replacing some of the turboprop service with a 737 is interesting to say the least. It wouldn't be the first time GCN saw a 737:


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If putting a 737 between LAS and GCN can cut the price of Grand Canyon tours, I'm all for it. I've looked into these tours in the past and a decent air/ground tour runs $250+ and the bulk of that is airfare, as even an air only service is $150+ pp.

I agree that Vision could potentially become another Allegiant, but the 328s may not fit in with those plans too well. There's plenty of 737 Classics for them to choose from that are either currently stored or will be getting retired in the next few years.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

I for some reason, is fascinated by this company. I would love to see them expand. Where are there crew bases? I know they moved there headquarters to ATL, are they gonna expand a little bit from here? Do they have or are the going to order more planes? .


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

It can work absolutely...
I hope they commence schedule service to GSO or something their charters seemed to be doing well...



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User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8835 times:

PVD could use some more service to Florida 

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A group of new routes and destinations will be announced next month, concentrating on connecting points in the southern United States to Florida. It looks like they might be focusing on MIA and VPS.

Could G4 start service into ECP and beef up FLL as a response to this latest threat? G4's been under a lot of pressure lately from AirTran, Direct Air, and now Vision.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 8693 times:

I don't see Vision as a threat to G4. Vision has had many plans that seem to fall far short. I wonder how they keep this critter alive. G4 does have it's share of challenges - AS is going after them in BLI, with higher frequencies to LAS. G4 might overlook Vision for now, keeping its attention on its core markets.

User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A group of new routes and destinations
will be announced next month, concentrating on connecting points in the southern United States to Florida. It looks like they might be focusing on MIA and VPS.

Which southern U.S. airports would be potential destinations for Vision? Perhaps LIT or MEM since they lack LCC Florida nonstops?



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8240 times:

I've thought Vision could start up an operation at LAS like G4 has.... except with the 738 Vision has the range to go to east coast cities while G4's mad dogs don't. Grant it, Vision only has one 738 but if the airline could manage to get some more (easier said than done) or some 73G's... it could do a G4 like operation with smaller east coast markets like MDT, RIC, GSO, etc. G4 won't have a response ready until it gets the 752's online and only if it gives up on the Hawaii plan (and is willing to put a 752 on unproven markets).

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

There was another thread going specifically about the GCN flights (its since been pulled it looks like). mccarranmgr said there will be two round trips between LAS-GCN a day to accommodate day trips and people who stay at the canyon overnight. I pondered if Vision might try to set up a codeshare with other airlines where as someone like DL or B6 could offer a routing like JFK-LAS-GCN for people who have no interest in visiting Vegas but would like to fly in to see the canyon and when they get off the plane they are right there.

User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

There are several markets like LIT and MEM that have traditional ties to the "Redneck Riviera" (on which VPS sits centrally located ) as a vacation destination. They would potentially be good choices for this service.

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 7536 times:

The article specifically mentions TYS, but G4 goes to four cities in Florida from TYS

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 11):

The article specifically mentions TYS, but G4 goes to four cities in Florida from TYS

G4 serves TYS-SFB/FLL/PGD/PIE, to be exact. Also, FL serves TYS-MCO, and Eagle serves TYS-MIA. I don't think any of those three airlines will sit around and do nothing to fight V2 if they launch MIA.

VPS would be a better bet for V2 from TYS - there's no competition, and G4 doesn't fly to the Florida panhandle from any city.



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1306 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 7):
Which southern U.S. airports would be potential destinations for Vision?

My contacts at the Chattanooga airport say it's done deal. I would expect to see CHA - VPS announced soon.



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7144 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Vision Airlines' plan to mimic the Allegiant Air model:

What? Buy some 757s, paint them up and then don't use them?!!



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User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

What type of aircraft is Vision using on their existing east coast flights? The Dornier or the 737?

User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 15):
What type of aircraft is Vision using on their existing east coast flights? The Dornier or the 737?

737. They are opening a crew base here in PGD and assigning the 737-800 to it in January.

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User currently offline02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

I've just noticed the launch of the SDF-ATL flights. I'm planning a trip to Kentucky in March, I may give this a try!

On a Dornier 328 as well, haven't been on one of those for 6 years, LCY-EDI-LCY... Great aeroplane!



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6738 times:

Seems Vision could conceivably do routes from LAS to cities in the East and beat G4 to those routes. Otherwise, Vision could go into markets that are responding well to G4's service to Florida. Would be COOL to have both airlines duking it out from markets like GSP, TYS, GSO, etc.


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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting SWA TPA (Reply 16):
737. They are opening a crew base here in PGD and assigning the 737-800 to it in January.

Wow, so that takes the 738 out of charter work. Also kills my idea of using the 738 for LAS-East Coast routes (unless PGD-LAS is in the works, a guy can dream). G4 already does PGD-GSO, LEX, GRR, GSP, TYS so I wonder where Vision is planning to go (besides CHA)


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6670 times:

Connecting smaller southern markets with turboprop is something I've thought about, although I didn't think in terms of mostly vacationers. I hope it works out for them, and hope too they expand into non-leisure markets sometime.


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User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 19):
Wow, so that takes the 738 out of charter work. Also kills my idea of using the 738 for LAS-East Coast routes (unless PGD-LAS is in the works, a guy can dream). G4 already does PGD-GSO, LEX, GRR, GSP, TYS so I wonder where Vision is planning to go (besides CHA)

They are going to put a 737 (probably the -300) in LAS   The 737-800 in PGD is going to be used for Direct Air supplemental stuff, Vision just signed a 1 year contract with Direct Air.

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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Im surprised that it has taken them so long to see that they too can do the same thing as allegiant and make money at it as well. I do know Vision has been nosing around several underserved secondary airports in the west, (Provo UT, and Lewiston ID. recently).

Another airline that is said to be considering doing some sort of operation like Allegiant is Xtrair which is headquartered now in BOI, and has been doing mostly charter and contract work.

I have thought for sometime that SunCountry should've tried an operation more like Allegiants, but that carrier is known for entering markets and exiting them just as fast with a couple flights a week.

One of the Keys to Allegiants success is their booking engine for mini holidays and vacations.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 22):
One of the Keys to Allegiants success is their booking engine for mini holidays and vacations.

You are absolutely right about that... getting people onto planes is easy... but with allegiants model you can lose money on flights and still make money in the end and you have to have a great distribution system to do that.



Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 22):
Im surprised that it has taken them so long to see that they too can do the same thing as allegiant and make money at it as well. I do know Vision has been nosing around several underserved secondary airports in the west, (Provo UT, and Lewiston ID. recently).

Lewiston I think would do great. Provo I wonder about since Provo to SLC is just under an hour.... is there really enough people in the area who won't drive that hour.

Allegiant has most markets west of the Mississippi to Vegas locked up. There are a handful I can see like COU... and SBA... which I am surprised no one currently serves LAS-SBA... I mean I know G4 is at SMX but that's still I would think SBA could support its own service to LAS. I am looking at west of the Mississipi strictly keeping a 733/734 range in mind as I doubt Vision will get any more 73G/ 738 anytime soon

On the other side of the Mississippi I think there will be a good opportunity to serve a lot of smaller east coast markets to Florida that WN will probably pull out of after the buyout of FL is complete.... MDT, CRW, ROC are a few that come to mind right away... Vision could fly to MCO/SBF on all three of those and some others. And there are plenty of 733/734 in the desert to pick from.

And there are plenty of 733/734 in the deserts to pick from


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 18):
Would be COOL to have both airlines duking it out from markets like GSP, TYS, GSO, etc.

No it wouldnt. It'd be a bloodbath. Vision doesnt have packages like Allegiant so their loads would be garbage. On the other end, they'd take just enough pax from Allegiant to really hurt their profit margin. PGD is by no means G4's bread and butter.

Quoting LV (Reply 23):
On the other side of the Mississippi I think there will be a good opportunity to serve a lot of smaller east coast markets to Florida that WN will probably pull out of after the buyout of FL is complete.... MDT, CRW, ROC are a few that come to mind right away

Don't count WN out of any markets just yet.


25 Post contains images FWAERJ : WN has said that one of the goals of the FL merger is to enter smaller markets.
26 freakyrat : The 717 gives WN the flexibility in regard to smaller markets.
27 JA : This is true. When I saw Direct Air's loads, my first question was how they were still in business. To have peak loads of 70% or so on chartered airc
28 Post contains links FWAERJ : With the fares that Direct Air charges (I saw $99-$129 one-way fares TOL-PGD in January), I could only imagine that the yields aren't that good eithe
29 Kcrwflyer : Dynamic is a startup based in INT. I was hoping they might try something worthwhile... alas they're flying for Direct.
30 Post contains images GSPSPOT : It'd still be cool from the viewpoint of a passenger at one of those airports!
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