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Irish 28/10: Oh, The Weather Outside Is Frightful  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

Greetings folks and welcome to Irish 28/10, the Winter Sports edition!

Well, what a Winter so far ... and we're not even out of December. As you all know, I live in Jersey, where snow is a rarity and yet, already, we've experienced two major snowfalls in the last month - and no doubt more to come. And on Thursday, when I'm supposed to be flying home. For airlines, in a difficult year for the home market, the Christmas season is all the more important, so this experience must be very frustrating. Helsinki, Zurich and Vienna may be able to handle snow as something routine, but not many of the major cities served from Ireland.

So, what else is new this month? Well, apart from our hands (and any other exposed skin) turning blue and the nation's finances awash in red, not a huge amount. The continuing hope of AI flying to T2 is something positive, so let's hope this brings some good news in early 2011. FR, of course, will not see it as good news and its rather, er, novel approach to diplomacy, will probably not help. I just have this vision of MO'L greeting the first AI flight dressed in a sari. (Well, love means never having to say you're sari ... sorry, I just had to.  )

Anyway, good luck to all those who, like myself, are trying to get home before Christmas!

Here's the link to 28/10, if anyone wants to refer back to it.

OK, who's for a snowball fight ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13765 times:

Hopefully they can get the airport open tomorrow asap and get things moving again. Any update on where EI will source extra capacity from?

User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13741 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Hopefully they can get the airport open tomorrow asap and get things moving again. Any update on where EI will source extra capacity from

Id say the chances of Titan's 767 being utilised are very high.


User currently offline330Guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13715 times:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 2):

Could they get them on short notice from the UK with the weather in that neck of the woods? (I take it that's where they would be based)



Aircraft flown: a300/10/20/21/30/40, b727/37/47/57/67/, DC9, MD80-90, l1011, f50, atr42/72, shorts360, pc12
User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

The latest TAF for DUB is predicting snow tomorrow (Wednesday 22/12) so expect some more cancellations & delays.

What diverted aircraft is still in DUB? or have they all gone to LHR by this stage

Grimey


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13608 times:

I believe there is still 1 BA 747 left.

Tonight we have OS/LX/0B/BD/US/DL night stoppers!

I was out on the ramp earlier and watched MA come onto 39 through the snow, reminded me why I love planes! Another guy even took a photo of it, it looked so impressive!


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3918 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13588 times:

Quoting 330Guy (Reply 3):
Could they get them on short notice from the UK with the weather in that neck of the woods?

I believe Titan are based in STN, which claims to be open, "as normal" - although the BAA's idea of "normal" is anyone's guess. EI fairly commonly use Omni, World and North American, I wonder if any of our American friends will be seen?



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

Quoting grimey (Reply 4):
The latest TAF for DUB is predicting snow tomorrow (Wednesday 22/12) so expect some more cancellations & delays.

By 0900 tomorrow, pressure will be some 5 - 7 HPA higher, which greatly diminishes the intensity of shower activity. Also, the flow will be more Northeasterly, backing NNE throughout the day.

I would say at this time that the disruption shouldn't be as severe in terms of accumulating snows. However, further light, at first moderate snow showers are possible. These showers are most likely until between 0800 and 0900. Then, possibly a lull in shower activity followed by renewed light snow showers towards the mid afternoon or evening.

However - the intensity and associated disruption will not be as severe. The risk of light snow showers continues until around 1100 - 1200 on Thursday. However - these will be light in nature and shouldn't disrupt operations as such.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13574 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Any update on where EI will source extra capacity from?

They could ask BA or VS for a loan of their B747/A346 that is sitting idle in DUB!!!

Seriously perhaps they will switch A321 onto the most affected routes. The 'extra' A330 will be used, and with the winter schedule I'm sure they have a bit of slack in their aircvrcft usage. The flight numbers on the DUB site tomorrow will tell us how many extra flights were flown

How are FR holding up? Looking at the DUB deaprtures page they don't seem to have the number of cancellations as EI, not going to LR is a boon here it seems. No larger aircraft availible there though........

[Edited 2010-12-21 16:00:10]

User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13554 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 8):
The 'extra' A330 will be used

A workmate of mine here in FRA who was in Ireland for a job interview last week flew in on Saturday on a 330. She commented that Aer Lingus have "very impressive planes for European flights". I played along of course, anything to help represent! 

I have a feeling they will have a constant flow of traffic between DUB and Heathrow tomorrow assuming everything is running okay.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

Back in work at 1200, hope madam Heathrow goes easy one me! Dont think everything will go to plan until next week at the earliest!

User currently offlinewexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13464 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
I believe Titan are based in STN, which claims to be open, "as normal" - although the BAA's idea of "normal" is anyone's guess. EI fairly commonly use Omni, World and North American, I wonder if any of our American friends will be seen?

I was thinking of Titan alright but it would be cool to see some of the others too. Tomorrow shall reveal all!!

I have to say that I sure wouldn't like to be working in any airline's operations dept these days!!



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User currently offlineneutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

Latest update from the DAA at 4.45 is

Good progress has been made by our snow and ice crew in clearing the main runway, taxiway and associated apron areas at Dublin Airport overnight.Flight operations are expected to resume at 08.00 subject to favourable weather conditions.

So fingers crossed for the passengers and airlines today.


User currently offlineairfinglas From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

It's just after 7am and the DAA have just announced the immediate reopening of the airport. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Quoting airfinglas (Reply 13):
It's just after 7am and the DAA have just announced the immediate reopening of the airport. Fingers crossed it stays that way.



Apparently inbound flights aren't being accepted until they get the planes on the ground away as there is nowhere to put any arriving aircraft right now, so we'll see continued disruption throughout the day.
I must say though, having watched the joke of a snow clearing effort at LHR, the DAA seem to have handled this bad weather a lot better. While closing the airport is obviously painful for many people, they really only have 1 runway - so they are limited - but to deal with such large amounts of snow and have the airport re-opened as quickly as they possible can does have to be commended.
I note that even MoL has been quiet on his DAA attacks during all of this - if they weren't doing sterling work I think we would have heard him a lot sooner.
Due to fly home tomorrow for Christmas STN-DUB, fingers crossed.

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13256 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
I must say though, having watched the joke of a snow clearing effort at LHR, the DAA seem to have handled this bad weather a lot better. While closing the airport is obviously painful for many people, they really only have 1 runway - so they are limited

Very true lessons need to be learned by BAA especially as DAA can do their bit and get their house in order but as a huge amount of flights and Irish traffic goes Via LHR it still impacts on DUB if LHR is closed.


User currently offline330Guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Just back from Dublin city, I didn't realise how bad it was yesterday, I'm about 15Km north of DUB and didnt really have any snow at all yesterday, stopped by DUB on the way back, seen US Airways and Delta arrive and only 1 of our LHR guests is still there (BA 744)


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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13208 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
I must say though, having watched the joke of a snow clearing effort at LHR, the DAA seem to have handled this bad weather a lot better.

Absolutely - a major well done to the DAA and all of the staff on the ground at DUB. The snowfall in DUB yesterday was more than double that which fell at LHR where 10.7CM accumulated in total last Saturday. I've seen various readings this morning in the Dublin area ranging from 16CM to 45CM - highest accumulations appear to be in Dalkey.

To clear such snowfall overnight the ground crews did really well. For all of the negative aspects to this - there is also somewhat of a silver lining. We have seen T2 being fully utilised by multiple widebodies - a hard proof of it's capacity and capability as such to any dissenters.

It will be a white Christmas for many this year as any significant thaw will be held back until at least the 26th of December - even then there is a risk of frontal snowfall for a time.

Finally - you gotta love the following updates in terms of the FR response: (Taken from RTE)

Aer Lingus says its first flight to arrive into Dublin was flight EI 104 from New York which landed just after 8am. Aer Lingus has hired additional aircraft and will operate ten extra flights today to the United States and several destinations around Europe.

Ryanair says many of its flights due to arrive into Dublin will be ahead of schedule.


Well done to Aer Lingus in being so proactive. Any detail on what aircraft will be operating the additional TA runs yet?

EIBusiness



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User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13121 times:

Unhappy Blue Air pax in Dublin after their flight was cancelled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SbaPlfBO4

User currently offlineCelticMech From Ireland, joined Oct 2008, 216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13043 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
I must say though, having watched the joke of a snow clearing effort at LHR, the DAA seem to have handled this bad weather a lot better. While closing the airport is obviously painful for many people, they really only have 1 runway - so they are limited - but to deal with such large amounts of snow and have the airport re-opened as quickly as they possible can does have to be commended.

In all fairness, Hands down to the DAA on their actions. Its not often that praise can be given to the DAA, but they have done excellent with their snow clearing operations. The guys who have been clearing the runway over night have been going flat out.
I think when we compare this to Heathrow, i believe the one big difference is than in DUB, the DAA have locals (i.e. Farmers etc) who are on a standby crew to be called into action when required for De-snowing and this is on top of the DAA staff aswell. In comparison, Heathrow has its own "in House" team and does not have such a policy as DUB...LHR is such a big airport now and the time taken by their crews to clear runways, taxi-ways, apron areas is immense. From listening to Sky News last night, LHR was offered army assistance but respectively declined! Maybe its time for LHR to review its Snow and Ice Emergency plan and should take note of other airports.
This type of weather may be a more regular appearance in our Winters to come and its essential that plans are in place to minimize disruption where possible.


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

Going off the weather related posts, there is now a 747-400 on the Irish register, EI-XLB flown by Transaero airlines.

User currently offlineCTRL_ALT_DEL From Ireland, joined Feb 2001, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13012 times:

Will be interesting to see what happens on Sunday when the Atlantic front arrives with stiff Southerly winds making 16 the preferential runway. Clearing 16 will be the next problem.

User currently offlinecallbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

Looks like an A330 will operate to CDG and AMS today to help with the backlog.

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12993 times:
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Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
I note that even MoL has been quiet on his DAA attacks during all of this - if they weren't doing sterling work I think we would have heard him a lot sooner.

I think this can be taken as a pretty reliable barometer of how they are coping with the conditions......

RTE have a mention that the BAA boss has decided to forego his 2010 bonus.......ah what a saint. Shouldn't bonuses be awarded for service above what is expected. This stinks of the problem here in Ireland where bonuses were automatic.

Looking at Dublinairport.ie BA182 is due to go at 1500. Hope they get to LHR at long last.
Theres a 'Planes,Trains and Automobiles' story for the post-turkey banter.

FR and EI seem to be doing OK, a few flights with up to an hour delay, most delays noted are less then that.

[Edited 2010-12-22 05:26:54]

User currently offlinewexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12943 times:

Well the DAA seem to be doing a pretty good job. As someone has already mentioned - if Michael O'Leary is keeping quiet then they must be doing something right!! I'm sure it's no consolation to the thousands of passengers who have already been stranded and had flights cancelled but at least there is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.


Any word on who is operating some of the extra EI flights??



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25 gosimeon : According to RTE.ie: "Aer Lingus is adding capacity to UK routes with assistance from Aer Arann. It also plans to operate a wide-bodied A330 into Par
26 EIBusiness : I see that EI are operating a third (EIN 2107) flight to JFK tomorrow. It's listed as a B767. Therefore - I assume that it's an OMNI air? No C class o
27 Post contains links EI320 : It's great to see EI going the extra mile to ensure that no one's left stranded. I think it's safe to assume that it's an OMNI 767, EI have called on
28 CaptainMeeerkat : Anyone on the inside know EI's hired metal over the next few days, sort of a who is flying what to where and when!?
29 wexfordflyer : It is indeed. Allows for some great publicity for them too. It's great to be able to say that they did all they could to look after their passengers.
30 Post contains links and images LUPOR1D : Cork the other day- RWY25/07 http://www.flickr.com/photos/finnyus/5282749450/sizes/o/in/contacts/
31 Eagleboy : Thats a great pic from Cork. All 7 were diverted into ORK[Edited 2010-12-22 11:36:06]
32 OA260 : That would be the flight from hell to police ! Certainly sounds like it . Yes seems so according to the news.
33 tonymctigue : It was reported in the RTE 6 one news that EI had hired a B767 to add extra TA capacity, presumably and Omni given their past business.
34 330Guy : I haven't got the link (I'm using my phone at the minute but it's on ryanairs website) but ryanair have released a press release stating that a UFO wa
35 Post contains links and images OA260 : LOL... link here : RYANAIR REPORTS UFO TO AVIATION AUTHORITIES RYANAIR CAPTAIN REPORTS UFO 200KM SOUTH OF OSLO SHOCKING IMAGES RELEASED WHILE RYANAIR
36 eicvd : Was EI-LAX, flew on to AMS after it returned from CDG.
37 OA260 : That would be a nice route to try it on . Lucky for those onboard in more ways than one.
38 grimey : Brilliant!!! Reminds me of the detail FR had a few years ago which looked like their aircraft hit Santa
39 EIBusiness : Just as an update - at the moment we have isolated snow showers off the East Coast coming onshore.. However, snowfall rates are much less heavy becaus
40 Post contains images EI2KSEA : About to arrive in AMS as EI2612. My brother will be on the return. He flew SFO-AMS last night/this morning (Wednesday) then connection to DUB was ca
41 Post contains images 330Guy : You seem to know quite a bit about the weather... in fact, you know a bit too much.... I think I see whos pulling the strings here, I think its time
42 EISHN : Bless, that takes me back. Aer Lingus used to run an ad at Chirstmas, and it was a picture taken inside the cockpit of a 737 and you can see the capt
43 tonymctigue : Credit where credit is due, that is absolutely brilliant! We often criticize the FR marketing department for being in poor taste and cashing in on co
44 Post contains images gosimeon : Agreed! A nice gesture. I sent the link to my aunt who then showed her kids, it's got them excited! Good to see the weather is looking better, flying
45 kaitak : Frankly I don't care if it's a farmhouse on the outskirts of Blessington, as long as I arrive somewhere reasonably proximate to Dublin tonight! So fa
46 Post contains images OA260 : You never know but its a lottery at the moment, although yesterday I booked EI flights and the booking does say T2
47 DavecFlyer : Unfortunately it is heavy - or has been for the last hour or so. DUB now closed for 4 hours due snow clearing. Another day of disruption unfortunatel
48 Post contains images gosimeon : Say it ain't so!! Dublin Airport on Twitter: We are temporarily suspending flight operations for about 30 minutes to allow the runway to be sprayed w
49 DavecFlyer : No - afraid its worse than that. They did temporarily suspend but its a full suspension now. About 10 items holding all of which are now diverting.
50 gosimeon : Ah hoot. I'm due to fly in tonight after 9 so hopefully it'll be ok by then, but the plane has to get to FRA first! Thanks for the update.
51 EIBusiness : Indeed.. Just looking now.. This is real hard luck for the guys trying to get back! Most of the snow is light in nature down the East coast as is evi
52 Post contains links OA260 : Its mad and 45mins up the road there is no more snow fall at all. Bad luck for DUB . Our snow and ice crews are working hard to clear snow from the ai
53 kaitak : Looks like I might be staying near MAN tonight. If the weather does clear, how long will be operate delayed flights until? My flight from MAN is at 22
54 gosimeon : Well DUB doesn't have a time limit, right? So technically you might get in! I'm not feeling optimistic either though...
55 Aer Lingus : +1 trying to get home. LHR looking great today but DUB just threw me a wild card. on the 165 hoping to not be cancelled for the sake of catching up on
56 EIBusiness : Well, from what I can see - no more than 3CM fell this morning so the clearing operation should be quicker than previously. Also - looking at the lat
57 EI320 : EI flights were still heading out to LHR and MAN from DUB at around 01:00 this morning so I'd expect flights to operate into the early hours of the mo
58 EIBusiness : DUB re-opening at 12.00... There is hope yet guys..! The latest heavier snow is staying well south of the field.. A secondary band of snow showers is
59 Post contains images auntie : It's coming down pretty heavily now in South Dublin so hopefully it will stay here and away from the airport (easy knowing I don't have to go out the
60 Post contains images shamrock321 : :/ What a sift yesterday busy, busy! Blue Air passengers reaction was a bit OTT considering their plane was in DUB, they would go the next day no like
61 Post contains images gosimeon : Anyone care to explain what this means?? Does this mean my flight is changed to tomorrow, or to right now?? :/
62 Post contains images eicvd : I didnt say that I thought it was a nice idea. I second that statement.
63 DavecFlyer : DUB open again - LX400 on approach right now which is the first inbound. There has been an Omni B767 N378AX holding for over an hour. I assume it's i
64 330Guy : Was your flight supposed to be tonight?? if so then that would mean its to go tomorrow, its still scheduled for tonight on daa.ie, id ring EI to make
65 Post contains images kaitak : Good afternoon - and greetings from the Radisson at MAN, where EI has kindly put pax up for the night; the two evening flights ex MAN are cancelled, s
66 Aer Lingus : I showed up 3hrs before the flight and EI have put me on one of the last 4 seats on the 159 which has yet to leave DUB. I'm told its pumping down in D
67 Post contains links shamrock350 : Ryanair's PR has been more irritating that entertaining recently but this along with their press release about Virgin made me laugh! Fair play to the
68 Aer Lingus : im in the interim lounge and as time goes on people for this evenings flights are starting to show up.
69 Post contains images ClassicLover : After Dublin reopened at 1pm, it was chucking it down with snow in the city centre from about 1315 through to 1530 and it's been very light and scant
70 shamrock350 : RTE are reporting that Aer Lingus have cancelled all flights from DUB that were due to depart after 4pm. Inbound flights are still arriving. This is d
71 Post contains links auntie : Ah, all good things must come to an end!! http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...aa-failure-to-clear-runway-quickly Was listening to Siobhan Moore on
72 EIBusiness : Glad to hear that you are halfway home at least Kaitak - tomorrow will be fine, of that we can be sure.. Pressure will rise to 1025HPA, absolutely lim
73 OA260 : Lol... Gremlins ! Fair play to Siobhan biting back ! Shame to see things have not improved especially when we thought DUB was clear for a while to op
74 Pilot21 : Airport shut until at least 23.00hrs now - Ryanair cancelling all outbound flights and most inbound ones for the rest of the night - guess I'm not mak
75 Eagleboy : Unfortunately its turning into a Christmas to remember for far far too many people. Was in DUB at approx 1400. Went from blue skies to low vis and hea
76 shamrock321 : U723 was cancelled in the end, or postponed, there will be 2 US departures tommorw, I on late shift tommorow, it will be a nightmare, so many people s
77 gosimeon : Never been more frustrated with a company ever than I am with Aer Lingus tonight.
78 Post contains links thediplomat : The Ryanair announcement is just another rant. http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...aa-failure-to-clear-runway-quickly Siobhan's response about PIK
79 OA260 : Yeah I saw your flight was cancelled but what can you do , have EI rebooked you ? There are of course going to be people that just dont get back in t
80 EIBusiness : Really sorry to hear about the situation gosimeon - have EI rebooked you for tomorrow? If not, what about getting to an alternate airport for departu
81 kaitak : Well, here I am, still at the Radisson at MAN; not a bad spot at all, free evening meal (buffet, not much choice, but not bad at all!), free internet
82 Post contains images gosimeon : Hey guys. The reason I am so annoyed with Aer Lingus is not because DUB was shut, I understand some things are out of their control. However, I must
83 Post contains links OA260 : This may or may not help : Air travellers grounded by freeze advised to insist on their rights http://www.independent.ie/national-n...nsist-on-their-
84 EIBusiness : This is terrible Gosimeon, From some searching.. You can get to London from FRA for around EUR 150 on various options before 12PM tomorrow.. Can I ma
85 EI1989 : Hi Guys I'm a long time reader of this great thread but I've been driven to signing up as thought I would share my family's experience with the weathe
86 AuleyAir : A Very Warm Welcome to the Irish Aviation Club and enjoy it. Good luck to your journey tomorrow, hope you get there for christmas and one thing, Can
87 Post contains images EI1989 : Thanks. Unfortunately I wont have a camera with me but I'll be sure to detail my experiences when I return
88 Post contains images gosimeon : Whoah man thanks so much for looking into that for me. I was looking at similar options and figure it's too risky. We were warned tonight that there
89 OA260 : Anyone know if Delta's ATL-DUB-ATL will operate tomorrow ?
90 Eagleboy : I have experienced this a few times over the last year or so. Often the airport updates their website and tell the airlines at more or less the same
91 eicvd : Welcome EI1989, you joined us at a great time. Hope you get to your destination hassle free tomorrow. Are you sure todays DL flight got out? I know i
92 AuleyAir : DUB wont be open till 5am tomorrow morning. Statement from DAA Another bad new to those people whose going off for christmas
93 shamrock321 : OA260 I be very surprised if DL176/177 doesnt operate. Forecast looks good, delayed maybe but they will get it away!
94 Post contains images OA260 : Cool fingers crossed , hope there are no more surprises overnight like more snow I see EI have cancelled an extra flight for tomorrow also to JFK .
95 Post contains images gosimeon : Had all but lost hope until Lufty came to the rescue. Despite being sold out an hour or two ago, I seat was freed up on the morning flight to DUB some
96 thediplomat : Very true. The captain is awaiting a decision of the ops department, who are frantically seeing if there is any space in SNN or BFS - who's station m
97 wexfordflyer : That's great news!! I hope it all works out for you and you make it home!!
98 EIBusiness : Congratulations Gosimeon! Let us know how it all goes. Best of luck to you and everyone else trying to get home. EIBusiness
99 EI320 : Delighted to hear that you found an alternative way home Gosimeon.
100 shamrock321 : Working late shift tommorow, see BD have added BD137/138, wish me good luck Im going to need it!
101 Post contains images shamrock604 : Hello all, and may I wish all of you a very happy xmas. I know a lot of you are having murders trying to get home for christmas, but know there are se
102 kaitak : Greetings from MAN; now in T1, checked in and waiting for the off. The 202 is apparently delayed about half an hour, but just checked on EI flight sta
103 Post contains links and images OA260 : Long live Star Alliance Glad it looks like its working out for you. -- An article in todays Irish Time denied by Aer Lingus : Aer Lingus denies plane
104 Post contains links EISHN : With so many people stuck away from home at the moment due to the weather, at least some very important flights made it out. Well done to all involved
105 dstc47 : Glad so many are getting back. Buried in the improving weather stories is the story that 107 jobs at Shannon Aerospace are to go, with restructuring i
106 kaitak : Reminds me of that story just after 9/11 about it being a good day to bury bad news; Shannon Aerospace seems to have chosen the weather for its cover
107 Aer Lingus : 25 hours after checking in incl hotel overnight at LHR, I made it home. Explanations later, too exhausted. Thanks go to the only no-show on the 153.
108 wexfordflyer : Before the Christmas madness really begins I'll take this opportunity to wish everyone here a very happy Christmas and I hope you all have a great one
109 OA260 : Is DUB still open? Mate of mine has someone coming back from MAN they were due in around lunchtime with EI but being told DuB iS closed.
110 Post contains links and images shamrock350 : A light aircraft has blocked the runway. It was closed for an hour but now open again. http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...t_Aircraft_Blocks_Main_R
111 EI320 : Things are moving again now, sounds very hectic there today. Apparently aircraft which diverted to SNN and ORK as a result of the DUB closure are now
112 scarebus03 : I'm waiting to board EI2592 to MAD, looks good after 3 days trying. Happy Christmas to all! SB03
113 SURFER : Here in SNN both servisair and EI are running extremely low on de-ice fluid,they havent run out but are keeping what they have for the scheduled traf
114 EI320 : Thanks for clarifying that SURFER.
115 EIBusiness : It's great to hear of the good news that all passengers from the Irish thread at least have managed to get home. This has been a truly record breaking
116 grimey : Well said, Merry Christmas to all you anutters out there. Grimey
117 EI320 : Great post EIBusiness. Wishing all posters and readers of our little Irish corner of A.net a very Happy and safe Christmas. Here's hoping that any a.n
118 Post contains images Pilot21 : Merry Christmas too all on these threads Made it back to Dublin a few hours ago - by car and ferry rather then plane, but I'm here at least - I hope m
119 Post contains images gosimeon : Happy Christmas all. My brother is stuck waiting for an Aer Lingus flight from Gatwick that is running half a dozen hours late right now! Here's hopin
120 Post contains images OA260 : I called an old colleague and her Sister is waiting for an EI flight from LGW also maybe the same one Happy Christmas to all hope you all have a grea
121 dstc47 : Very true, the damage to the reliability of air services will undoubtedly have a major impact on casual air travellers, one that may last for some ti
122 EI1989 : Hi guys don't know if you heard of us 723. Was on board. Horrific experience. I'll post details in a few minutes when I get to a pc
123 Post contains images shamrock604 : Yup, apparently you were left sitting on board for 7 hours and then the flight was cancelled?? On a happier note - we are done! Last flight has lande
124 Post contains images OA260 : And you think Santa would use T2 North Pole SANTA01 24/12 23:59 Due at 23:58 North Pole SANTA1 24/12 23:59 Due at 23:57
125 Post contains images shamrock604 : Santa's gone Low Fare Phil - he wont use, over-specified, white elephant, taj mahal, gold plated, property deal terminals that Children dont want and
126 Post contains images DavecFlyer : He's not up to depart Happy Christmas to All!
127 Post contains links and images OA260 : LOL... I actually forget every year that they do this on the Arrivals boards ! Nice tradition Merry Christmas ---- Over 300 passengers, including chi
128 shamrock321 : Finished my shift at DUB, got to the stage where I said fuck it! I have never seen anything like it!
129 Post contains images shamrock604 : Those are the words of a tired but obviously very relieved individual!
130 AuleyAir : Just like to say "Merry Christmas and a happy new year of 2011" to all Irish Anutter. Hope 2011 is better for Irish Aviation. [quote=shamrock604,reply
131 f1eddie : Happy Xmas all. I'm afraid Santa has yet to visit me. I wish he would hand me €60K. Any Takers out there besides the banks... Hope all the strangler
132 jc2354 : Does USAir even have an airplane that will hold over 300 passengers? Happy Holidays, Jack
133 teahan : I suppose that is US 723 which was meant to leave DUB at 11:05?
134 kaitak : It should be, but unfortunately, the new US regulations regarding keeping pax on board only applies to domestic flights. Still, what a horrible way t
135 Pilot21 : I know these have been asked before, but can anybody answer these 2 questions on T2? 1) Is there an open Dutyfree area in T2 at the moment for the EY
136 Post contains images 330Guy : Good morning and to everyone on Airliners.net and on the Iriah Aviation Thread have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Lets work to make 201
137 Post contains images EIBusiness : Many thanks for your kind remarks Pilot21 and to all of the other contributors also - the comments are much appreciated It's more of an interest in m
138 EI1989 : I was on US 723 yesterday. Originally the flight was cancelled Thursday night but the European call centre was closed. We called the American one and
139 kaitak : Sorry you had such a miserable time with US Airways; it's painful enough spending seven hours with them in the air, but when you get off after seven h
140 Propchaser : Good Morning and first off i would like to wish everyboby on the thread A Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year, I have been on and off A Net for
141 EI1989 : Yeah I originally wanted to use continental and Amtrak but was overruled. It's ok for dad and I relatively but I feel awefull for the stranded and th
142 Post contains images ClassicLover : Merry Christmas from London I ended up on the EI232 scheduled for 0840, departed at 1140 - yesterday of course We were told we were lucky to be gettin
143 shamrock321 : DUB collapsed yesterday, it was a disaster, MA622 waited 3 hours for the bags, LH using SHP were as bad. Got to the stage were staff gave up, I know I
144 Post contains images OA260 : A very good corporate customer was telling me today about his experience with EI yesterday and if true I see a court case! Cant post the facts due to
145 Eagleboy : Happy Christmas all...... From what I have heard I have to agree with the above. The whole airport just turned into a shambles yesterday. This Christm
146 shamrock321 : Not sure how many flights were diverted but LG went back LUX and they abandoned the flight, so close yet so far for those guys!
147 shamrock604 : I think we are getting to the crux of the matter here. Many staff were asked about the possibility of working xmas day for a time to get people home
148 EI1989 : The problem with us air was they had us on board for 7 hours and refused to keep us properly informed, heck even put on a movie for the children and
149 OA260 : Were there not passengers who were going to just demand to get off? After 3 hours I would demand they open the door and let me off.
150 shamrock604 : Sorry, I didnt realise that. That is unacceptable behaviour alright. I read through your post quite quickly and only noted the issues with de-icing,
151 Post contains links ciaranS : Some good news for Knock airport in the middle of all the travel chaos. NOC-EDI 3x weekly from mid-April http://www.flybe.com/corporate/media/news/101
152 EI1989 : No airbridge to get off and no staff to move it. The airport police had to be contacted to get us off after 6 hours. Serviceair uncontactable.
153 shamrock604 : We really cant go on like this. Aviation seems more disruption prone than ever and very little effort seems to go into dealing with it. In any case,
154 Post contains links gosimeon : Well now I've finished stuffing my face for the day, I'll share my experience of DUB yesterday. Aer Lingus were a joke yesterday. They cancelled their
155 Post contains images EI1989 : Glad to hear some airlines attempted to pull through and got people home eventually. My dad and I are trying one last time to get out to the rest of
156 Post contains images gosimeon : Bring some de-icer with you in case Hope you make it!
157 shamrock604 : I know it seems like that Gosimeon, but its not always the case. Sometimes a combination of circumstances like weather, tech, crew hours etc all cons
158 OA260 : The Gards should have been contacted much earlier than that ! I hope that you and some of your fellow passengers seek legal advice because that was a
159 EI1989 : Well I'm waiting at the same gate 418 at DUB. STD is 8 but there'll probably be a delay. Amazingly the bags are on, fuel is on and the aircraft is cur
160 Pilot21 : Just listening into DUB ATC and US9010 which EI1989 is on, was airborne at 9.45am - so at least he is finally on his way. Pilot21
161 Post contains links kaitak : I hope that it is possible for the gardai and the airport police to charge airlines; it is simply not acceptable that security staff need to be calle
162 shamrock321 : I hope something is done espeically about Servisair! Its embarrasing!
163 OA260 : A law is certainly needed. Plans need to be checked before the Winter season starts and emergency plans known by all handlers and airlines with stric
164 BrianDromey : I think October would be far too late for checking. June/July would be an appropriate time, to account for any recruitment or procurement to occur in
165 wexfordflyer : I agree with you that it is completely unacceptable what US did but unfortunately I can't see what they can be charged with? Holding people against t
166 EIBusiness : I would certainly echo the comments of others here so far. It is quite simply disgraceful that passengers should be held for that period of time. Why
167 dstc47 : Poor old "Global Warming", now to blame for minimal staffing, relying on contractors with poorly paid and demotivated staff, airports routinely runnin
168 shamrock604 : Here, here! And its the same here in Dublin. We have certain lobbies crying out for lower costs, no infrastructure provision, run it to the bone.....
169 Post contains images OA260 : Once again I learn alot from your posts and weather is an important factor in Aviation so not unrelated at all.
170 330Guy : I think he was referring to Global Warming having nothing to do with the recent weather conditions, Iv been keeping an eye on it myself (and beleive
171 AirNZ : So what you're essentially advocating is the US system......simply cancel the flights at the approach of any impending cold/snow type weather. Yep, a
172 OA260 : After being caught up in a recent ATC strike I was glad the flights were cancelled rather than turning up and being delayed hours or sitting on an AC
173 shamrock604 : Untold whining i'd imagine..... but then, thats really what you will get in any scenario that involves cancellations I think.
174 shamrocka330 : Seen the EI birthday advert a few times now and I'm not impressed. There's no clips from history, no aircraft shown, didn't use T2 and you actually wo
175 Post contains links OA260 : But id rather be told the night before my flight that it was cancelled rather than get to the airport and have to come back again or worse being stuc
176 Eagleboy : Great video......well shows the work involved in modern aircraft operation. Good for non-aviation people to see the workings. Looking at the closure
177 shamrock350 : Hope everyone had a great Christmas! Is it actually the offical advert for their 75th? It could be for the current 75th Birthday sale which features a
178 shamrock604 : I feel the same - I would much rather know before hand, and I can deal with it. But then I work in a job where I know exactly what goes into running
179 Post contains images auntie : I was just on the Bristol Airport website there and the first thing that came up was an EI advert - Fly to Dublin and the USA with Aer Lingus Regional
180 IRISH251 : Pirated from one of the Justplanes cockpit DVDs.
181 Eagleboy : Those bold people. WOuld have been nice for them to mention that in the youtube text.
182 wexfordflyer : Looking for a bit of advice here guys. I've booked with FR for myself and my brothers to go to Edinburgh at the end of January. I may now have a bit o
183 AuleyAir : Hard luck man. name change fee is 100 euro My advice would be to book another seat if the price is under €100 or try to call to ryanair department
184 Post contains images gosimeon : A friend of a friend that booked my ticket on an FR flight from DUB to Mallorca managed to mispell both my names by 1 letter last summer - Marc Phili
185 COEI2007 : I didnt hear that in the ad? Its not a bad advert, but I think they should run the old 'youre home' advert coming up to the anniversary in May. Ring
186 auntie : I agree with this. Someone I know had booked a friend as 'Nicki' when the name on the passport was Nicola. FR changed it no problem. You've nothing t
187 shamrock604 : I think for versions of the same name it isnt really an issue and it will be changed. Ive had it myself before and its not been a problem (I also hav
188 kaitak : Might be best to ask first if it's ok "in principle", before you give your name. That said, if it came down to it, would FR actually be within its rig
189 EIBusiness : From a disruption perspective, there are still an awful lot of pax stranded in DUB. At one hotel close to the airport last night there were 250 pax al
190 thediplomat : Some also went to the now bankrupt kaliningrad avia. Are any of EI's 747s and 767s still flying?
191 Post contains links OA260 : An interesting piece in the Belfast Telegraph today : Aer Lingus warned of autopilot failures Long-haul Aer Lingus captains flying Airbus A330 jets ac
192 scarebus03 : None of the 747's are still flying but 767 EI-CAL (YL-LCY) is flying with Santa Barbara Airlines from Venezuela and EI-CAM (4X-EAP) is flying with EL
193 kaitak : Somehow I doubt the actual AD read quite like that! And the FOs were probably included in the memos! I'm sorry that my geography head was not screwed
194 Post contains links shamrock350 : Here it is on Flickr leaving Dublin for Bordeaux. Shame to see it go, I've had more flights on EI-CPC than any other Aer Lingus aircraft. Wonder if a
195 LUPOR1D : Pulkovo also got some of the old B735's
196 Post contains images eicvd : I'll never forget EI-CDD & E. Had my first 2 flights (3rd & 4th flights overall) that I remember on those a/c on my first foreign holiday to
197 Eagleboy : Am not sure if it is leaving so soon. Jethros names 4 A320 going to AMS airlines but The Irish Air Letter (with an EI staffer on the editorial team)
198 scarebus03 : I for one will be sad to see the end of the EI A321's. I have fond memories of working on them and they rarely gave problems, for some reason I hold
199 wexfordflyer : Thanks for the advice guys. Will give FR a call and see what I can do!
200 eicvd : Just booked a day return trip with FR to LGW in February, total cost came to just over E40. Ive never flown into Gatwick before so im looking forward
201 OA260 : They have a good sale at the moment a colleague of mine booked Oslo for EUR22 all in today for February.
202 shamrock350 : There's quite a few good sales on at the moment, was checking flights from London with Aer Lingus and LHR-BFS for early January was around £54 all in
203 OA260 : Yeah I see EUR0.00 fares DUB-LGW-DUB which ends up at EUR54.98 all in , not bad at all..
204 EIBusiness : I'm far from being an expert unfortunately but thanks for the comments. I share your sentiments regarding the remainder of the winter. At present, we
205 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : That's very steep is it not?! I did a day-return trip with FR to LGW a few months ago and it came to €12 all in. I got a €250 Aer Lingus flight v
206 auntie : Just saw the EI ad myself for the first time - have to agree with everything you said shamrocka330. As someone said before, maybe they should have re
207 OA260 : Id pay EUR20-30 extra to fly EI personally but its all personal choice of course.
208 Post contains links 330Guy : Agreed, EI is more expenesive simply because they offer a better product and different business model. Personally Id rather not race onto an aircraft
209 Eagleboy : I was wondering about those recently.........can you get them on the website? Also some pics floating around of an FR crew member evacuating the airc
210 AmricanShamrok : Yes. I think that's the only place you can get them actually.
211 wexfordflyer : I saw that. Can't get away with anything these days can you? I wonder if she will get any flack for it - she is shown to be what looks like clearly b
212 Post contains links kaitak : Does anyone know when the ski charters start? The weather looks fairly ok on Saturday, so I was thinking I might trot out to the airport, to blow a fe
213 Post contains links kaitak : This just in; WW2 archives have just been uncovered, revealing Adolf Hitler's reaction to being booked on Ryanair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rx
214 dstc47 : Adolf on a well known airline? At last a possible explanation for Hess's flight to Scotland. Happy 2011 - no more dust or snow please.
215 Post contains links OA260 : An interesting article from the archives of December 1960 : There was still a great air of mystery last night about which page of the book of protocol
216 EIEIO : Morning folks, There's an interesting discussion taking place at the moment over on a certain notorious pilot website regarding work and maintenance p
217 Post contains images OA260 : I take it all with a pinch of salt also only looking at the posts once every month They dont seem to have reported the scandal a while back where a E
218 EIEIO : This thread has only cropped up in the past few days in the 'terms and endearment' section, has a good few people who joined just to have a say in th
219 wexfordflyer : There was a photo in a local Kerry Newspaper during the recent FR evacuation in KIR. There is a photo floating around somewhere. I'm in a bit of a ru
220 Post contains links EI787 : Here's a link to the photo and a discussion about it on boards.ie: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056130963
221 Post contains links and images teahan : This is the photo. It made the front page of the Kerryman and Kerry's Eye. Discussed here: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...32-ryanair-evacuatio
222 eicvd : I wouldnt have a clue to be honest with ya, never booked a flight for myself before ever so was happy to find flights less than €50, it was definet
223 Eagleboy : Well her posture for the jump seems quite good, a solid jump into the slide, no gentle hop here. As regards the items in her hand...........the prese
224 wexfordflyer : I havn't read anything about it on pprune yet but have read a little on boards. Some people there think it was lucozade too which was a bit silly. I'
225 CelticMech : Depending on the ATR's MEL (Minimum Equipment List), These may be permitted to fly without for a set period of time. Its allowable on the A318/19/20/
226 Post contains links EI787 : The US Homeland Security Secretary visited T2 at DUB today to view the pre-clearance facility. Hopefully this is a sign that CBP are almost ready to m
227 Post contains links and images thediplomat : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rxASx1SxY&feature=player_embedded Latest Ryanair Rant from a former wannabe EU leader!
228 COEI2007 : Ive read the posts, and although I take them all in with a large grain of salt, some of them are true. They seem to be placing a lot of their eggs in
229 thediplomat : I don't blame RE putting the focus on EI-R - Most of the RE routes will cease to exist next year anyway - with the PSO's being dropped. Now that we h
230 AmricanShamrok : I find this facinating. I wonder what the problem is? There was never any official visit to view the Shannon CBP before it opened as far as I know.
231 Post contains links and images EI787 : It has become quite drawn out alright. Just looking at the DHS website. According to them, the facility will open January 19th: Also saw this gem: Go
232 EIEIO : Yeah you're right CelticMech, perfectly legal according to the MEL. I wouldn't be too concerned about a faulty pack as a pilot and I doubt many passe
233 shamrocka330 : Ok I'll ask first...... what does ADF and NDB mean?!
234 EIEIO : Sorry ShamrockA330! NDB = Non-directional beacon, which is a navigation aid (most basic form). ADF = Automatic direction finder, which is an arrow in
235 Post contains images shamrock604 : Great. I just cant wait. Less experienced security staff teaching ours. That should produce amazing results!
236 shamrocka330 : Thanks EIEIO! It's been awhile since I read "Flying The Big Jets", I must rub the dust off it and read it again!
237 EISHN : TSA get a lot of flack, but I've done quite a number of domestic trips here in the States in the second half of this year, and I can't remember deali
238 330Guy : Good Morning everyone, I have a little story to tell you, I dont know if its been mentioned here (I havnt seen it mentioned) nor have I seen it in the
239 tonymctigue : Looking at the SNN arrival/departures board, you can't but help notice how much it has changed since this time last year. Who would have thought we'd
240 OA260 : If true they should sue FR for firstly breach of APR where its the airlines duty to provide refreshments for delays etc... but most importantly for f
241 330Guy : Agreed, FR could be in serious trouble if what I heard is what happened, I expect it to be true as my source (who I wont reveal) is very rarely wrong
242 AirNZ : Sad story if true, and an action I wouldn't condone at all. However, I also find it interesting how quick one or two are to make a 'judgement' on thi
243 Post contains links 330Guy : Thats a fair enough point and can certiantly understand not wanting to make an opinion until something concrete is heard and I can only respect that.
244 EIBusiness : If true, that's a entirely shocking story. It's unacceptable and FR should be reprimanded over it. As we close the year of 2010, there's an important
245 Post contains images OA260 : Which is exactly why I said ''If true'' I hear the cost of oil will hit $100 . Happy New Year to you also
246 Post contains links IRISH251 : Arriving at Dublin today on return to GECAS were these two A320s formerly operated by Turkuaz in Turkey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2410141...@N03/5
247 LIFFY1A : It often happens that aircraft on landing have to wait for a stand, but for 6 hours, I find that very unlikely.
248 330Guy : Exactly, Thats why I corrected it a few posts later, It was waiting to depart.
249 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : Ah, I think I see the problem. The US Department of Homeland Security seem are concerned about DUB's security screening capabilities, perhaps in ligh
250 thediplomat : Every airport in Europe is checked twice annually I understand. Is this a fact or rumour, as its a fairly bold statement.
251 AmricanShamrok : This is an opinion; however bold it may be. Just to compare the situation at Dublin Airport with that at Shannon - both airports had identical proced
252 thediplomat : Lets get this straight - not fact, not rumour, but an opinion. I get it. Do you really think Janet was here to check the facility? What else was she
253 Post contains images Nibog : Good evening everyone, Just before I head out to the new year house party,can I wish you all a very happy new year!!!!!
254 Post contains images 330Guy : And to you and everyone else on the Irish thread and on A.Net all the best in 2011. Now im off to drink a gallon or so of naughty pop and get silly..
255 EIEIO : Same here, found them to be very friendly. Total opposite to the experience I had in YVR on my way to LAX. Back in December '06, I was going to Barce
256 Post contains links Eagleboy : I am of the opinion that the visit to DUB was political/PR related. The new terminal with the CBP facility is a BIG DEAL. The DHS have been officially
257 Post contains links kaitak : A Continental 757 diverted to SNN today, en route LHR to EWR; http://avherald.com/h?article=4357f486&opt=1 (Note that although it was a CO 757, th
258 callbell : I have seen a fair few of "UA branded" Continental B757's at DUB over the last few weeks. They seemed to appear fairly quickly after the rebranding c
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