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500 A330/A340 With RR  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7871 times:

A small milestone was reached on 10th December when A330-300 MSN #1189 had its first flight. It was the 500th A330/A340 with RR.

The total comprises 133 A340s and 367 A330s. That's 44% of all planes to come off the line. Of the remainder, 22% of the total have had CFM, 18% GE and 16% PW.

RR now have 48% of A330 deliveries (GE 27% and PW 24%) and more than 50% of A330 sales.

It might be remembered that this was the first Airbus widebody programme that RR got onto and that the Trent 700 was the last of the three engines to fly on the A330.

Merry Christmas!

     

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User currently offlinestitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30974 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7840 times:
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Rolls has invested heavily in making the Trent 700 an excellent powerplant, so they must be pleased to see the market recognize that.

User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW. There is also a problem with the FADEC interface as far as maintaining speed, all of our A330s have problems keeping the managed or selected speed at basically all altitudes and phases of flight....highly strange and we are investigating it now


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2):
I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW.

Could you tell us which airline you're referring to? It can really only be Swiss, US, China Southern or Thai.

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2):
all of our A330s have problems keeping the managed or selected speed at basically all altitudes and phases of flight..

 Wow!
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2):
...highly strange and we are investigating it now.

You should!


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

TK have these RR engines now as well on the A330-300s and the A330-200F....I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
RR now have 48% of A330 deliveries (GE 27% and PW 24%) and more than 50% of A330 sales.

How many % do they have of A350 sales?
 


User currently offlineEIEIO From Ireland, joined Jan 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2):
I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW

TK''s A332s are GE powered



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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting EIEIO (Reply 6):
TK''s A332s are GE powered

you know what i mean lol it's 5 am here  )



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2705 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2):
I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW.

Hmm,    somehow I have the feeling PM didn't start this thread to get this kind of feedback...

Without kidding, interesting insight from a professional, teschekürler!

And gratulations to RR - with all this negative media during the recent time one forgets how much RR engines are flying above our heads (or below our wings) without any problems.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):
Hmm, somehow I have the feeling PM didn't start this thread to get this kind of feedback...

No I didn't. Tell him to go away!  
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):
Without kidding, interesting insight from a professional.

Yes, but a professional who gets PW and GE mixed up ... even at 5am!   

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4):
i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!

What's weird is that airlines - including your own - keep buying the damned things instead of PW or ... PW.  


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
A small milestone was reached on 10th December when A330-300 MSN #1189 had its first flight. It was the 500th A330/A340 with RR.

Congratulations to RR!!! I love the sound of the RR birds.      



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7219 times:
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Quoting OyKIE (Reply 10):
Congratulations to RR!!! I love the sound of the RR birds.

And I can only agree with this. Well done RR, well done Airbus.  .

[Edited 2010-12-23 03:17:36]

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
How many % do they have of A350 sales?

I know you're joking but, officially, it's just 87%. The remainder (Aer Lingus, Afriqiyah, Air One (Alitalia), AWAS, Hong Kong Airlines, Kingfisher, Libyan, TAP, Tunisair, and Vietnam Airliners) have never publicly announced an order with RR...


User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Congrats to Rolls, they do need a bright spot in their product offering. The 900s and the 1000s are certainly challenged as well as the IAE relationship. Will 2011 bring better news for the company, and are the comments about performance of the 700s mentioned here real, and I'd certainly question it if the poster did not know that the freighter had a different engine. On the other hand, maybe having the CF6s in the fleet made the performance more real?

Sorry PM to have your excitment clouded by the comment. Merry Christmas to you and everyone as well!!!


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6746 times:
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Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4):
TK have these RR engines now as well on the A330-300s and the A330-200F....I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!

If you fly for TK (which you obviously does...) you should know your older A330s are GE powered not PW...



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User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

As I've often said, anyone who thinks engine purchasing decisions are made on the technical merits of the product haven't been involved in an engine selection campaign.

User currently offlineca From Turkey, joined Jun 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777, Cathay Pacific A330, Air Transat A330! the General Electric is a best power engines for all aircraft..

User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Quoting ca (Reply 16):
Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777, Cathay Pacific A330, Air Transat A330! the General Electric is a best power engines for all aircraft..

Oh Dear  
Do you really think there has never been a incident that involved a GE engine?


User currently offlinetjcab From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Yes, but a professional who gets PW and GE mixed up ... even at 5am!

ha ha, my thoughts exactly.


User currently offlineElbowRoom From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting ca (Reply 16):
Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft!

Er...   

Quoting ca (Reply 16):
Qantas A380

Fair enough. This was a mighty big **** up.
But I'm sure GE engines have never had any problems with uncontained engine failures
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/7...ncontained-engine-failure-bne.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...00-uncontained-cf6-80a-engine.html

Quoting ca (Reply 16):
British Airways 777

I'm sure GE never experience any kind of dual engine flameout
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...shanghai-believed-to-be-types.html
China Airlines A330 Both GE Engine Shut Down (by Celestar Jun 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Cathay Pacific A330
Filled with apparently contaminated fuel
http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/AB-03-2010e.pdf

Air Transat A330
Maintenance fitted wrong fuel tube, leading to leak.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010824-1


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 19):
Quoting ca (Reply 16):
British Airways 777

I'm sure GE never experience any kind of dual engine flameout
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...shanghai-believed-to-be-types.html
China Airlines A330 Both GE Engine Shut Down (by Celestar Jun 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Cathay Pacific A330
Filled with apparently contaminated fuel
http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/AB-03-2010e.pdf

Air Transat A330
Maintenance fitted wrong fuel tube, leading to leak.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010824-1

And a KLM 747-400 had all 4 GE engines temporarily flame out due to an encounter with volcanic ash approaching ANC in 1989.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19891215-1


User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

RE-reply 20
So u are counting volcanic incident as a minus against GE. sounds desperate!



747SP
User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 14):

And if you read the posts before yours, you should know someone already said that and I addresed it  )

Maybe I should come on here to look for mistakes most non pros make rather than contribute to aviation...



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4):
.I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!

Well I fly the Trent 895 on the 777 and have no hesitation in saying that it's one of the best engines I've ever flown with and we definitely don't have 'trouble with spool up times, so it's nothing to do with the 3-spool design!

Furthermore, I have several mates who fly the RR Trent powered A330 with Monarch and I have never heard them once complain about speed/mach keeping in autothrust!

Although I haven't got any figures, anecdotally our company engineers constantly gripe about the number of times they have to open the huge engine ducts on the GE90s and how much oil they have to put into the GE90-76B and -85Bs. It has been said to me on several occasions that the on wing times for the Trent are far superior to the former mentioned GE engines also. Again, several engineers around our network have said to me that they worry about opening the engine cowlings (ducts) on the RR a/c because they have never had to do it! If they have to put oil into a RR down route then it is a rare event. To be fair to GE, I have no hesitation in flying their engines too and we now have the GE90-115BL on the 300ER and I haven't heard any negative comments about them yet.


Quoting ca (Reply 16):
Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777

The Qantas incident is, of course, a fair comment, but the BA 777 incident was definitely a one off due to an FOHE problem which has now been resolved and had it not been for extreme conditions may never have come to light. In that respect it is not disimilar to a volcanic ash encounter and I think it a little unfair to call this a RR problem, it certainly no longer is!

There is a reason that RR have reached this milestone. The Trent 700 is the preferred engine because it is a worthy product, whether it is liked by Turkish pilots or not!

Well done RR.

Cheers
 



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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 23):
Well I fly the Trent 895 on the 777 and have no hesitation in saying that it's one of the best engines I've ever flown with and we definitely don't have 'trouble with spool up times, so it's nothing to do with the 3-spool design!

Furthermore, I have several mates who fly the RR Trent powered A330 with Monarch and I have never heard them once complain about speed/mach keeping in autothrust!

Well, in all fairness, ruling out that the three spool design has nothing to do with it is a little premature based on the fact that you haven't had trouble with a different engine type, but I see your point.

Just because someone didn't mention it to you, doesn't mean it isnt there. There could very well be a design problem as these birds we have are brand new, all less than 2 months old...anything is possible in aviation.

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 23):
There is a reason that RR have reached this milestone. The Trent 700 is the preferred engine because it is a worthy product, whether it is liked by Turkish pilots or not!

No one is questioning RR as a company, nor am I questioning their design philosophies or worthiness, saying these sorts of things usually takes the thread off course and encourages other people to follow along. I made a simple statement about spool up differences, and I believe we didn't select the RR engines, they were options for another company and we took those one up at the time and didn't change the engine choice...I don't have an issue with RR , no need to play defence



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
25 Post contains images PM : For the record, four airlines (Swiss, US Airways, Thai, and Turkish) have switched from PW or GE (or it might be PW... ), which they originally selec
26 Post contains images BA777ER236 : Knowing the people I do who fly the 330, I think it would have come up in conversation! I wonder if any LH pilots out there who fly their new 330-300
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