PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
A small milestone was reached on 10th December when A330-300 MSN #1189 had its first flight. It was the 500th A330/A340 with RR.
The total comprises 133 A340s and 367 A330s. That's 44% of all planes to come off the line. Of the remainder, 22% of the total have had CFM, 18% GE and 16% PW.
RR now have 48% of A330 deliveries (GE 27% and PW 24%) and more than 50% of A330 sales.
It might be remembered that this was the first Airbus widebody programme that RR got onto and that the Trent 700 was the last of the three engines to fly on the A330.
pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW. There is also a problem with the FADEC interface as far as maintaining speed, all of our A330s have problems keeping the managed or selected speed at basically all altitudes and phases of flight....highly strange and we are investigating it now
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6533 times:
TK have these RR engines now as well on the A330-300s and the A330-200F....I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6394 times:
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 2): I dont enjoy flyıng the RR engined A330, the spool up time is quite slow compared to our older A330s with PW.
Hmm, somehow I have the feeling PM didn't start this thread to get this kind of feedback...
Without kidding, interesting insight from a professional, teschekürler!
And gratulations to RR - with all this negative media during the recent time one forgets how much RR engines are flying above our heads (or below our wings) without any problems.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6349 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8): Hmm, somehow I have the feeling PM didn't start this thread to get this kind of feedback...
No I didn't. Tell him to go away!
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8): Without kidding, interesting insight from a professional.
Yes, but a professional who gets PW and GE mixed up ... even at 5am!
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4): i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!
What's weird is that airlines - including your own - keep buying the damned things instead of PW or ... PW.
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2575 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6160 times:
Quoting PM (Thread starter): A small milestone was reached on 10th December when A330-300 MSN #1189 had its first flight. It was the 500th A330/A340 with RR.
Congratulations to RR!!! I love the sound of the RR birds.
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6108 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 5): How many % do they have of A350 sales?
I know you're joking but, officially, it's just 87%. The remainder (Aer Lingus, Afriqiyah, Air One (Alitalia), AWAS, Hong Kong Airlines, Kingfisher, Libyan, TAP, Tunisair, and Vietnam Airliners) have never publicly announced an order with RR...
CFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5752 times:
Congrats to Rolls, they do need a bright spot in their product offering. The 900s and the 1000s are certainly challenged as well as the IAE relationship. Will 2011 bring better news for the company, and are the comments about performance of the 700s mentioned here real, and I'd certainly question it if the poster did not know that the freighter had a different engine. On the other hand, maybe having the CF6s in the fleet made the performance more real?
Sorry PM to have your excitment clouded by the comment. Merry Christmas to you and everyone as well!!!
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5666 times:
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4): TK have these RR engines now as well on the A330-300s and the A330-200F....I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!
If you fly for TK (which you obviously does...) you should know your older A330s are GE powered not PW...
PresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 628 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5407 times:
As I've often said, anyone who thinks engine purchasing decisions are made on the technical merits of the product haven't been involved in an engine selection campaign.
ca From Turkey, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4808 times:
Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777, Cathay Pacific A330, Air Transat A330! the General Electric is a best power engines for all aircraft..
U2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
Quoting ca (Reply 16): Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777, Cathay Pacific A330, Air Transat A330! the General Electric is a best power engines for all aircraft..
Oh Dear
Do you really think there has never been a incident that involved a GE engine?
warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2519 times:
RE-reply 20
So u are counting volcanic incident as a minus against GE. sounds desperate!
BA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 277 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 4): .I tell you it's such a difference from the PW...the 3 shaft system really delays the spool up time by a lot, and i have takled to other pilots from other airlines flying the RR engines....just astonishing that their planes cant keep the speed either...weird!
Well I fly the Trent 895 on the 777 and have no hesitation in saying that it's one of the best engines I've ever flown with and we definitely don't have 'trouble with spool up times, so it's nothing to do with the 3-spool design!
Furthermore, I have several mates who fly the RR Trent powered A330 with Monarch and I have never heard them once complain about speed/mach keeping in autothrust!
Although I haven't got any figures, anecdotally our company engineers constantly gripe about the number of times they have to open the huge engine ducts on the GE90s and how much oil they have to put into the GE90-76B and -85Bs. It has been said to me on several occasions that the on wing times for the Trent are far superior to the former mentioned GE engines also. Again, several engineers around our network have said to me that they worry about opening the engine cowlings (ducts) on the RR a/c because they have never had to do it! If they have to put oil into a RR down route then it is a rare event. To be fair to GE, I have no hesitation in flying their engines too and we now have the GE90-115BL on the 300ER and I haven't heard any negative comments about them yet.
Quoting ca (Reply 16): Rolls Royce is a problem with many aircraft! Qantas A380, British Airways 777
The Qantas incident is, of course, a fair comment, but the BA 777 incident was definitely a one off due to an FOHE problem which has now been resolved and had it not been for extreme conditions may never have come to light. In that respect it is not disimilar to a volcanic ash encounter and I think it a little unfair to call this a RR problem, it certainly no longer is!
There is a reason that RR have reached this milestone. The Trent 700 is the preferred engine because it is a worthy product, whether it is liked by Turkish pilots or not!
pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 23): Well I fly the Trent 895 on the 777 and have no hesitation in saying that it's one of the best engines I've ever flown with and we definitely don't have 'trouble with spool up times, so it's nothing to do with the 3-spool design!
Furthermore, I have several mates who fly the RR Trent powered A330 with Monarch and I have never heard them once complain about speed/mach keeping in autothrust!
Well, in all fairness, ruling out that the three spool design has nothing to do with it is a little premature based on the fact that you haven't had trouble with a different engine type, but I see your point.
Just because someone didn't mention it to you, doesn't mean it isnt there. There could very well be a design problem as these birds we have are brand new, all less than 2 months old...anything is possible in aviation.
Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 23): There is a reason that RR have reached this milestone. The Trent 700 is the preferred engine because it is a worthy product, whether it is liked by Turkish pilots or not!
No one is questioning RR as a company, nor am I questioning their design philosophies or worthiness, saying these sorts of things usually takes the thread off course and encourages other people to follow along. I made a simple statement about spool up differences, and I believe we didn't select the RR engines, they were options for another company and we took those one up at the time and didn't change the engine choice...I don't have an issue with RR , no need to play defence
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
25 PM: For the record, four airlines (Swiss, US Airways, Thai, and Turkish) have switched from PW or GE (or it might be PW... ), which they originally selec
26 BA777ER236: Knowing the people I do who fly the 330, I think it would have come up in conversation! I wonder if any LH pilots out there who fly their new 330-300
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