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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1723 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13653 times:
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The internal announcement went out a few days ago I believe. Mesaba is going to fly for US Airways out of LGA using a handful of SAAB's. This is not a complete surprise as the leaders at Pinnacle said they anticipated Mesaba continuing SAAB operations after Delta.

The (7) SAAB's joining the fleet are former NW Airlink models returned since the merger: 402, 407, 412, 413, 414, 416, 418. Mesaba will be leasing these directly (Delta had already returned them to the lessor).

I believe the service begins in a small form in March, increasing through the Spring.

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

interesting to see that Mesaba returned the planes to Saab, and Saab is going to lease them right back to them


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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6216 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

From what I read this is replacing Colgan flying out of LGA, unless I misinterpreted something. (Colgan is a subsidiary of Pinnaclle)

Regards,



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13467 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
interesting to see that Mesaba returned the planes to Saab, and Saab is going to lease them right back to them

Mesaba was sub-leasing the planes from Delta (previously Northwest). The planes technically were returned to Delta, then to SAAB. Delta assumed the leases on the entire SAAB fleet with the NWA merger and it's Delta who made the decision to retire the fleet with their lease expirations/renewals.


User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

do we know if these are pro-rate aircraft or capacity-purchase agreement aircraft?

Colgan has about 15 Saabs in the USX fleet, correct?



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13203 times:
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Quoting USXguy (Reply 4):
do we know if these are pro-rate aircraft or capacity-purchase agreement aircraft?

I do not believe this is at-risk.

Colgan has about 15 Saabs in the USX fleet, correct?

Colgan does but the airline and the planes are being phased out. Q400's will go to Mesaba. The SAAB's at Colgan are older models. Mesaba's at B+ which gives them the best range & lift in the 340 fleet - so they're an upgrade. Plus I believe all these 340's did get new interiors shortly before Delta terminated the leases.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
Mesaba's at B+ which gives them the best range & lift in the 340 fleet

The best I know the B+ offers no added range or lift over the B model. The only difference was the update to the cabin and the ANC system. ( which is often broken )



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13126 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
The best I know the B+ offers no added range or lift over the B model. The only difference was the update to the cabin and the ANC system. ( which is often broken )

Most of Colgan's fleet are A-series aren't they? I know it's a collection of models. Maybe even a B+ or two in there.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13082 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 7):
Most of Colgan's fleet are A-series aren't they? I know it's a collection of models. Maybe even a B+ or two in there.

Last I knew it was close to 50 / 50 of A's and B's...... with a few former American Eagle B's in there.



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User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12826 times:

How many destinations can 7 Saabs hit a day at 1, 2, 3 flights a day?

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12710 times:

Quoting eraugrad02 (Reply 9):
How many destinations can 7 Saabs hit a day at 1, 2, 3 flights a day?

According to the memo, SYR, ITH, CHO, IAD, and a few others I can't remember.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12675 times:

I'm a little curious when it comes to the Saab 340 series. There the the -A's, the -B's, and the -B+'s, but between the two -B models, what exactly is different? It seems as though there are two different types of props driving the -B models, and they're not necessarily associated with the standard or plus model. Please see attached photos:


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This is a B+ model, however...

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...is a standard B model. On this aircraft, (with the black spinners), you can see that the props are also curved differently, similar to the ATR72-210.

I've also noticed that there are also standard B models with the same props as the Mesaba photo (props that are similar to the -A model). Any thoughts? Sorry to go off-topic with that, but was just curious...



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12299 times:

As a frequent US flyer at LGA I welcome them. I've grown bored with the DH-8, only because of the high number of times I've been on them. I always liked flying the 340 ever since my first Business Express flight with them JFK-SYR (flying as DL cx)


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 11):
but between the two -B models, what exactly is different?

The only difference was the interior on the B+. Saab did a complete redesign that included adding the ANC system. There are actually 4 models of the Saab 340. The A.... what we call the A+.. the B and B+. The A+ introduced the new and much improved Gen II interior and around that same window a redesigned and larger horizontal stabilizer.

The Saab 340 gave you two propeller options. The Dowty and the Hamilton-Standard. American Eagle was the only operator to ever order the Ham-Std prop... ( Black Spinner ).. so if you see a Saab 340 with a black spinner it was ordered new by American Eagle.

[Edited 2010-12-24 06:04:57]


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User currently offlinedeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

You all know that XJ was purchased by 9E as a way to phase out the 9L name, mainly in part due to the BUF crash and bad connotation that goes with the 9L name.

I guess this is Step 1....waiting and seeing.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11818 times:

Quoting deltabobo (Reply 14):
You all know that XJ was purchased by 9E as a way to phase out the 9L name, mainly in part due to the BUF crash and bad connotation that goes with the 9L name.

Except that Pinnacle bought Colgan 2 years before the BUF crash.



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User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

What's an ANC system?


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11621 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
Except that Pinnacle bought Colgan 2 years before the BUF crash.

But bought XJ after the crash, so his theory (true or not) still makes sense



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 16):

IIRC...A ttenuating N oise C ancelling....a few db less inside!


User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1297 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11384 times:

...does this mean we'll get ROC-BUF back?  

-J.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Perhaps they will slighly tweak the livery before applying it to the XJ Saabs:


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The titles are either too big or too far back (or both), and I don't know why they squeezed the reg number up onto the tail.

It looks too cluttered and squeezed in.



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10744 times:

So is the Colgan name being completely phased out? If the Q400s are being transferred to XJ and XJ is taking over the Saab ops, what is left for Colgan to fly?


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10724 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 21):
So is the Colgan name being completely phased out? If the Q400s are being transferred to XJ and XJ is taking over the Saab ops, what is left for Colgan to fly?

You answered your own question. It had already been announced that Pinnacle intends on merging Colgan into Mesaba.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6089 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10467 times:
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Quoting JBo (Reply 20):
Perhaps they will slighly tweak the livery before applying it to the XJ Saabs:


Maybe XJ will start flying AN-12s. That would be really cool!



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10317 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 23):

Maybe XJ will start flying AN-12s. That would be really cool!

LOLOLOLOLOL ... you're right. And that's what i get for not proofreading my posts!

This is the photo I meant to post:


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I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
25 cbphoto : Does anyone know, is XJ opening up a LGA crew base, or are they going to shuttle DTW crews into LGA to cover the flying?
26 Post contains links and images falstaff : I flew DTW-APN back in October on a Saab 340 and this is what the interior looked like. DTW-APN DL (XJ) 10-30/10-31 Saab 340 (by falstaff Nov 1 2010
27 azjubilee : Let's clear a few things up... Mesaba was purchased by Pinnacle Corp, not Pinnacle Airlines (9E). The plan is to merge Colgan and Mesaba with Mesaba b
28 JETnyc : MESABA is hiring for LGA FAs etc, I chkd their website and its true..
29 toltommy : Delta returned the planes, and Saab is leasing them to Pinnacle Holdings, to be flown by their Mesaba subsidiary. They coulda eliminated the Colgan n
30 pvd757 : PVD-LGA switches from Piedmont DH8's to Mesaba SF3's on 4/1/11. I think MHT-LGA will be 4X Mesaba as well.
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not sure which deal DL financed. It may have been Pinnacle or Trans States but they did loan one of the companies the money to complete the deal.
32 n7371f : Pinnacle.
33 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Well there you go Thanks,
34 n7371f : I recall Pinnacle reporting the Mesaba deal placed $60 million in debt onto the company and part of that is the loan Delta floated. I can't recall wh
35 Post contains links and images VIflyer : Other than the ANC and the improved interior the B+ actually had 2ft wing extensions which improved it's short field and "hot and high" performance.
36 smoot4208 : So basically Mesaba will take over almost all turboprop flying in LGA, Leaving Piedmont to use those freed up DH8s for CLT/PHL/DCA. (Or long term repl
37 pvd757 : So far, for April only at this point, Piedmont stays on LGA-BDL/BTV/PWM/BGR/ALB/ROC/BUF/BWI/MDT/ORF/PHL/ROA The initial wave of LGA Mesaba flying loo
38 eraugrad02 : So are you saying over time they'll be more than 7 Saabs based in LGA? Desmond in ILM,
39 Post contains images USXguy : And to make things more interesting, all NxxxPX Saabs originally flew for Express I Airlines, which was rebranded into Pinnacle All Saabs delivered n
40 sunking737 : Express l Airlines was the Republic Express carrier of MSP based Republic Airlines. XJ was too before they jumped to NWA. Then RC brought in RCX. SAA
41 Mainliner : It's not new flying. The LGA-IAD route began about two months ago, and has only been done by Piedmont. The other routes have been back and forth betw
42 PSU.DTW.SCE : I though XJ completely deactivated this system on their B+s since it was always broken. At least that helps offset the losses from the reduction in D
43 floridaflyboy : When I left XJ (less than 1 year ago), we used it as long as it wasn't deferred. Take that for what it's worth. We usually had it on about 70% of the
44 JBo : More than likely US colors.
45 planeguy727 : Exactly - flew that route RT about 2 weeks ago. Looking forward to the Saab on the route (I fly that route regularly) as i've grown bored with the DH
46 VIflyer : God I wish when MQ had B+s the system worked, for as long as I've flown them they had been deactivated for priority mentioned mx hog. I heard it help
47 IndyWA : A model: 30 seats, lave in rear -- the rest was correct. As for ANC, yeah never really noticed a difference. When I worked there, it actually operate
48 EMBQA : It depended on the options you went with. We flew A Models with 34 seats lav in the rear. I've seen B's with aft and fwd lavs... but I've only seen B
49 n7371f : Confirmed planes will be in US Airways Express colors.
50 PSU.DTW.SCE : Did these aircraft all go back to Sweden? Have any of the other returned Saabs been placed at other airlines yet?
51 flyinryan99 : I have seen some ferried to BNA on flight aware. Also saw Colgan ferry a Saab into DTW from SYR the other day. Not sure if that was going into MX in
52 IndyWA : well when I worked at XJ, that's exactly how they were A=30 seats, lav in rear B=33 seats, lave in rear B+ = 34 seats, lav in front And we could alwa
53 Post contains links cactus742 : Love this... a.net was the source of this blurb from the Seattle P-I. http://blog.seattlepi.com/worldairlinenews/archives/233157.asp
54 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : LOL LOL!!! CLASSIC!! DL bringing Y+ to their fleet made it's way to the airways via a.net and my thread!!
55 EMBQA : No.. they are owned by Saab Leasing US. We have a few here in Nashville. Others are stored elsewhere. Yes.... Aircraft are just like cars.. you have
56 azjubilee : Mesaba has been doing mx on the Colgan Saabs in DTW and CWA for a few months now. Yes, lots of changes ahead for Mesaba. Shortly, it won't be the same
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