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First Delta 772ER With New Flat Bed Seats  
User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26109 times:

Just saw this on Delta's Blog

http://blog.delta.com/2010/12/23/new...-features-in-an-aircraft-near-you/

Flat bed seats were installed, larger screens for Y class, more entertainment selections. I was a little surprised they didn't start out with the reverse herringbone layout but Delta states that all 772ERs will be done within 6 months and that by June all 777 models, and 767-400 models, as well as seven 767-300ER planes will have flat bed seats installed.



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2715 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26070 times:

I really don't like the business elite seats in the 767-400. I couldn't lay sideways.

I'm glad they're putting in the ones that this picture has. They are much better.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26039 times:

I can't figure out how this configuration works. It seems like the legs of the person near the window would hit the legs of the person in the aisle?


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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2715 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 26012 times:

Nah, there's plenty of room. It's nice. Your legs just go into your own little shelled in area. There is a little footrest that the seat matches up to when reclined.

User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25863 times:

The article says that they now offer over 1000 entertainment choices! That's pretty impressive. Is this the new AVOD everyone has been talking about for awhile?

User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25648 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 4):
Is this the new AVOD everyone has been talking about for awhile?

To an extent... but the new AVOD system is what most people are talking about. The new Panasonic IFE system, that is for the first time ever incorporated into the seat itself, is what is revolutionary and what will be on the 747's. Pictures for that are in the Investor Day report that Delta has posted on its' website under Investor Relations and Webcasts.



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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25607 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 2):
I can't figure out how this configuration works. It seems like the legs of the person near the window would hit the legs of the person in the aisle?

I'd imagine DL's configuration is a lot like the one found on Air Canada...


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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25593 times:

Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 5):
To an extent... but the new AVOD system is what most people are talking about. The new Panasonic IFE system, that is for the first time ever incorporated into the seat itself, is what is revolutionary and what will be on the 747's. Pictures for that are in the Investor Day report that Delta has posted on its' website under Investor Relations and Webcasts.

I make the trip from DXB-ATL several times a year, sometimes in BE, sometimes in Y, and have not noticed a difference in selection, as far as the IFE goes, both are awesome? The pods are great if you are traveling alone, but I prefer the old BE seats on the 777ER, if my GF is with me. Anyone know what the little green light on top of the pods is for? I think Delta has really stepped it up, as far as IFE goes.


User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25581 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):
Anyone know what the little green light on top of the pods is for?

To make sure the seat is in correct position for take-off and landing. "Up-right and locked position."

Now no one can try to pull a fast one; )


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25565 times:

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 6):

I'd imagine DL's configuration is a lot like the one found on Air Canada...

because they are the same seat  
Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 5):
The new Panasonic IFE system, that is for the first time ever incorporated into the seat itself, is what is revolutionary and what will be on the 747's. Pictures for that are in the Investor Day report that Delta has posted on its' website under Investor Relations and Webcasts.

the system (aka the computer that runs it) will be the same thing they have now, the only thing that is new is the PTV it self, which as you said will be inside the seat back.

I would expect it to go fleet wide starting 2011.....the new PTVs weigh like 60% less than what Delta has now and are bigger.



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1989 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25532 times:

how comfortable can it be to sleep on that leather?

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25525 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 8):
To make sure the seat is in correct position for take-off and landing. "Up-right and locked position."

Now no one can try to pull a fast one; )

I thought that is what they were for, but I moved the foot rest to try to see it would change, with no luck; maybe it was not far enough?

The other thing I forgot to say was, it sux if you enjoy looking out the window, you have to strain like you are on a CRJ to see anything, but seriously, I will trade a view for comfort on a 15 hr flight, anytime.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25525 times:
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Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 8):
Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):
Anyone know what the little green light on top of the pods is for?

To make sure the seat is in correct position for take-off and landing. "Up-right and locked position."

These ones have to be upright for take-off and landing ? With the very similar ones on Air New Zealand you are allowed to have them reclined for taxi , take-off and landing - something I have done simply "because I could" on the few occasions when I have been fortunate to be seated up the front .



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25460 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
how comfortable can it be to sleep on that leather?

They are not the most comfortable thing there is, but it is nice to be able to stretch out and lay flat, it is amazing how much more rested you feel when you get there.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25444 times:
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Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
how comfortable can it be to sleep on that leather?

I'm guessing that when the seat is converted to bed mode there is a mattress provided so that you are not actually lying directly on the leather ? That is how it works on the similar J product on NZ .



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25404 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
I'm guessing that when the seat is converted to bed mode there is a mattress provided so that you are not actually lying directly on the leather ? That is how it works on the similar J product on NZ .

If you are saying the FAs bring you a mattress? Then no. You have a thick blanket and full-size pillow, and sleep on the seat in the flat position, which is why I always clean the seat.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25374 times:
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Quoting Mudboy (Reply 15):
If you are saying the FAs bring you a mattress?



No need for them to bring a mattress , from what I remember on the NZ J beds the mattress is tucked in behind the seat back and when the seat flips over to form the bed you simply unstrap the mattress and spread it out to lie on , I believe the current mattress had some complaints from people who find it too hard ( personally I prefer a firm mattress ) but I believe on the new product that NZ are just in the process of rolling out the mattress is now thicker and softer .



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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25284 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
These ones have to be upright for take-off and landing ? With the very similar ones on Air New Zealand you are allowed to have them reclined for taxi , take-off and landing - something I have done simply "because I could" on the few occasions when I have been fortunate to be seated up the front .

I am just going by the way the seat works at Delta. I don't know about Air New Zealand.


User currently offlinewilld From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25218 times:

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 6):
I'd imagine DL's configuration is a lot like the one found on Air Canada...

Its an identical layout to that which was orignally introduced by VS then VS provided a licence to allow NZ to use it. Of course this design has now been adopted by AC, CZ, 9W, DL etc and there was a rather large case in the English and Welsh Courts between VS and the designer of the seats. VS felt they had signed an exclusivity agreement with the manufacturer and as a result VS were allowed to licence it to select airlines (who presumably would offer a level of service similar to VS and not in anyway "degrade" the hard product). Of course VS were not too happy seeing the seats arrive in other airlines (other than NZ). I believe the whole issue was settled out of court hence why we now have a raft of airlines using the same design. So AC were not by any stretch the first, in fact VS introudced this design in c.2003/4 IIRC.


User currently offlineflyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25124 times:

As much as I like full flat seats, I prefer straight forward seats and window looking opportunity, even if I could have no direct access to the ilse.
Also in such and many other configurations, many seats give me a cage like feeling.
For me the best choice would be straight forward and rather open seats, where you can see each other and some walls you can drive up in case you sleep or want more privacy.

Regards

flyglobal


User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25059 times:

Quoting willd (Reply 18):
Its an identical layout to that which was orignally introduced by VS then VS provided a licence to allow NZ to use it. Of course this design has now been adopted by AC, CZ, 9W, DL etc and there was a rather large case in the English and Welsh Courts between VS and the designer of the seats. VS felt they had signed an exclusivity agreement with the manufacturer and as a result VS were allowed to licence it to select airlines (who presumably would offer a level of service similar to VS and not in anyway "degrade" the hard product). Of course VS were not too happy seeing the seats arrive in other airlines (other than NZ). I believe the whole issue was settled out of court hence why we now have a raft of airlines using the same design. So AC were not by any stretch the first, in fact VS introudced this design in c.2003/4 IIRC.

actually, while it looks similar to the VS/NZ seat, those other seats have one major difference in that, that just recline and slide, whereas the VS/NZ version the seatback flips forward so that you actually have a totally different mattress


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24241 times:

It would be nice if they offered a mattress pad over the leather...hopefully they will make that change. Also, on longer flights, pajamas are always a nice touch as well.

User currently offlinekmz From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24216 times:

hmmmm....windows are getting bigger and bigger (B787/A350) but the airlines turn the seats away from them....why bother have windows at all?
...not my favorite configuration....   


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24085 times:

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 1):
I really don't like the business elite seats in the 767-400. I couldn't lay sideways.

I'm glad they're putting in the ones that this picture has. They are much better.

Because you can't look out the window, the angled seats are the WORST! (But I won't say no to the upgrade!)

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 11):
it sux if you enjoy looking out the window, you have to strain like you are on a CRJ to see anything, but seriously, I will trade a view for comfort on a 15 hr flight, anytime.

I agree completely.

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 19):
As much as I like full flat seats, I prefer straight forward seats and window looking opportunity, even if I could have no direct access to the ilse

As do I.

Quoting kmz (Reply 22):
hmmmm....windows are getting bigger and bigger (B787/A350) but the airlines turn the seats away from them....why bother have windows at all?
...not my favorite configuration

It's difficult to even take photos out of those windows.



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User currently offlineJKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23899 times:

Just got off 'The Soaring Spirit' and I have to say that this replacement is overdue. The seat and surrounding areas are in awful shape. I was in 2A and I was so embarrassed by what I saw. The panel covering the electronics under row 1 was falling off and it was lying on the floor. Also, someone had taken a sharp object and carved in a bunch of marks on the panel between 2H and 2J. This is long overdue and I am glad DL is finally getting around to this. I am back on a 777 a few times in Jan and Feb and hope that I do not get this bird again.

25 CALPSAFltSkeds : I'm not a fan of the color and vinyl look. The photo in post #1 reminds me a line of chairs in a dental clinic.
26 DLdiamondboy : Glad to see that DL is finally updating the 777-200ER’s. I have spent a lot of time in those lie flat seats in 2009. 6 trips ATL-PVG-ATL when DL sti
27 VC10er : I dont like them at all. Not as First Class as a real First Class. I hate the windows in the back of the seat. If UA can create a real F seat, as does
28 seamefly : That's the reason why it was not marketed as FC.. It's called Business Elite !
29 Viscount724 : It's not first class, it's a business class product. And compare the fares. How many passengers can justify several thousand more $$ for a true first
30 FlyNWA727 : I never once insinuated AC was "the first" airline to use these seats, so I'm not sure why you directed this huge rant towards me. I just used AC as
31 washingtonian : True, but what real differences are there between Delta's luxury BusinessElite product and, for example, United's First Class?
32 goldenstate : I'd be interested to know how many of the people that are saying what a terrible product this is have: a) even tried it first hand, and b) done so on
33 etops1 : I don't like the way the seat faces away from the windows..looks like you have to break your neck if you wanted to look out. Sorry but I think USAirwa
34 Post contains links and images NZdsgnr : Glad i'm not the only one, I was worried I would get flamed by saying that. It just lacks refinement. this is NZ's updated business class seat, now t
35 Viscount724 : Agree. There isn't a big enough difference between the better business class products and first class to justify what is usually a huge difference in
36 toobz : i hope your joking right...those clinical white seats remind me of the blood lab seats at kaiser permanente
37 NZdsgnr : no i'm not joking. and I believe they are actually what they call chalk coloured (just off white.) and here my dentist 's has blue chairs
38 goldenstate : Only on airliners.net would people argue over minutiae like the color of the seats despite the fact that the product has been fully embraced by the ma
39 koruman : I have flown the Air New Zealand equivalent many times, and it is far superior to any other American premium seat because 1. It makes a proper bed you
40 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : It's actually not that bad. You would think that sleeping on the leather would be bothersome but it's really not. I've flown on the 764 BE seat and t
41 VC10er : I've have flown extensively and the difference is quite big. Much more privacy and many more seat position options. Especially the 4 windows you get
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : Fortunately for 744 fliers, they are getting the reverse herringbone layout. Middle seats face inward and seats A & D face towards the window.
43 kiwiandrew : Exactly how much time does one normally spend looking out the window on a 12 hour overnight overwater flight ? Yes , I like to look out the window wh
44 FlyASAGuy2005 : You do bring up a good point. On my recent flight to LHR I had asked to be switched to an isle seat at the gate. To my embarrassment, I forgot that t
45 jetjack74 : I have found, personally from my perspective, that the BE seats on our 764 aircraft are somewhat more comfortable than that of our 777 aircraft. That
46 NYCAdvantage : For sure there are plenty, But I tell you I tried last September when I did LAX- SYD and the seat was great the only problem is the angle like many h
47 GoBoeing : It's okay, but the United new business class for example is more comfortable in my experience.
48 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : The seats are comfortable and are nice and spacious but I actually think the layout is awful. The window seats angle away from the windows. The two s
49 koruman : Hardly any of the complaints come from real passengers: the vast majority come from armchair CEOs, and indeed Air NZ is the current world Airline of t
50 FlyASAGuy2005 : As far as complaints goes, DL does listen and you will be surprised how nit picky some of their top elites can get. They listened and reversed the lay
51 kiwiandrew : I am trying to visualise how that would work . How would pax get into/out of their seats if the seats face away from the aisles ?
52 Post contains links and images Transpac787 : Here is one of the pics DL released when they announced the new cabins for the 747-400:
53 max999 : I haven't tried out Delta's seats...I'm sure the seats are very functional and provide a good night's sleep. However, the colors and the materials see
54 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Pictures, and seeing it in person is two very different things. I felt the same way about the 764s but after stepping on one for the first time recen
55 rwy04lga : Exactly how much? I don't keep a log, but it's a LOT! Especially the first and last hour. I apologize for not meeting your standards of normality and
56 Post contains links NYCAdvantage : I am sure it must be better than what ever they had before, CO is good & AA problem is when someone is sleeping and you are seating at the window
57 airtechy : I think the window viewing is a non-issue. As soon as the bird is airborne, the sleepers pull down their shades and want the lookers to do the same. I
58 ATLflyer : Anyone know if the 767-300ERs will get new overhead bins or not?
59 alitalia744 : Yes. The 76T/L mod will eventually include new overheads.
60 Post contains images MaverickM11 : What is DL putting on their 330s? The 767, 777, or 747 seat? Or a 5th J seat ?
61 Post contains links deltal1011man : 777 seat. Delta said in its PR that it had seats for 32 planes on hold due to the court case between VS and DL....DL has 32 330s. "Delta asked the co
62 FlyDeltaJets87 : What they want and what they're going to get are two different things, especially if it's daylight outside. If the business guy wants to control the
63 Viscount724 : Cloth would be much better than leather on their longhaul fleet. Very few carriers use leather on longhaul aircraft, although many use it on shorthau
64 klkla : I guess it comes down to personal taste. For me, I prefer leather for two reasons: #1 - Leather is easier to clean than cloth so you're more likely t
65 aviationbuff08 : Do the updated 777ER have the same passenger count as before, 50F/218Y, or has this changed with the J class seat mods?
66 deltal1011man : same config as the 77Bs 45C/233Y
67 alitalia744 : The mod changes cap to 43J/233Y matching the 77L fleet.
68 smi0006 : For me LED 'moodlighting' lights is one of the biggest under rated mods and airline can make. I know some airlines by regulation have their lights on
69 NYCAdvantage : Agreed, V Australia does have them too, I did not see them on DL 77L. I wonder if they could fit them in the future?
70 smi0006 : I know QF have fitted their Premium cabins (such a shame they didn't do it to their Y-cabins as well..) of their 744 with them so I don't see any rea
71 UAL777UK : Huh, are you kidding? UA F is nothing like J class, for starters you get a larger seat and shed loads more personal space...and yes before you ask I
72 NYCAdvantage : I guess the name of the game is cost, back then when DL bought the 77L I am sure boeing offered to them but who knows at what price, DL needed to do
73 Post contains links NYCAdvantage : Like I said it before I have not tried my self, Do not know how great the service, seat comfort is, I have nothing against UA, I know CO, AA, DL. wha
74 NYCAdvantage : and by the way I do agreed with you, also like I said before, the seat angle is a pain in the butt, but for 7 or 8 hours of sleep it does the trick.[
75 UAL777UK : This article is a complete joke and I can only assume the person that did it was blind or stupid or maybe both? For starters they say that the seats
76 DAL767400ER : Or a massive ego to feed by pretending that his opinion matters on the internet. Seriously, 10 airlines whose "First Class" that *edit* rips on, and
77 klkla : I've flown in UA first and the seat is nicer than UA business. It is similar to DL 777 business in that it is in a herringbone-style layout (but reve
78 NYCAdvantage : There is nothing like the voice of experience from a well known source, thank you for letting me know, I will get to UA 1st or business class sooner
79 jfk777 : Delta should have the 744 seats on all the 777 fleet, LR and ER. The 777LR seats are odd since you can't look out the window. Cathay has similar seats
80 AABB777 : The herringbone config is not that popular with pax, hence the reason why CX specifically is quickly converting their herringbone Business Class to a
81 timf : Having flown on the 77L in BE, I had no problems with the seat. It doesn't bother me that it's angled away from the window, I can still turn and see o
82 deltal1011man : money, this is the 2nd time the mods have been pushed back. first they were going to be done by 2009(pushed back due to money/merger) then 2010(money
83 max999 : Unfortunately, I don't think US carriers believe LED mood lights makes business sense or else they will be putting them in. Neither CO, DL, UA, or US
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