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Where Did All The New Varig 767's Go?  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9929 times:
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In a final attempt to save the VARIG brand, GOL bought/aquired a bunch of old 767's. How many did GOL get and where are they today?


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9743 times:
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They got 15, already returned 11.
4 still fly with Varig livery on routes such as GRU-BGI, GIG-Northeast, GIG-CNF, GRU-CNF, GIG-MCO, GIG-GRU-LAS, GRU-MCO, EZE-Caribbean, and others. Please note some of them are charters.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
GIG-GRU-LAS

They fly to Las Vegas?? Since when. I have lived in LAS for the last 5 years and have never seen them here.



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User currently offlineRG787 From Brazil, joined Nov 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
4 still fly with Varig livery on routes such as GRU-BGI, GIG-Northeast, GIG-CNF, GRU-CNF, GIG-MCO, GIG-GRU-LAS, GRU-MCO, EZE-Caribbean, and others. Please note some of them are charters.

They also fly from BSB to "I don't know where", probably on scheduled service because they are very common down here.


Does G3 (on behalf of RG) have any plans on expanding long haul? When they got RG, words were that even 787 were possible!


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
4 still fly with Varig livery on routes

Does Varig still fly and if they do what sort of an airline are they now? I remember seeing Varig at LAX back in 92 a 743 at TBIT well I think it was a 743 then a few hours later i saw a RJ DC10-30 come in.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 4):
i saw a RJ DC10-30 come in.

Sorry that was ment to be RG my bad typos again.  


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2896 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7066 times:
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GOL would have to have RG join an alliance (maybe OW since GOL belongs) the 767's would need a nose to tail refurbishing like UA, but a new economy too so PAX think they may actually be on a new airline- change the livery from LCC to a world class airline: then hire back the FA's from the 1980's who know how glamourous service is. Then buy some new ac. A few 747-8 would go a long way to say " we're back"!!!


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
GOL would have to have RG join an alliance (maybe OW since GOL belongs)

Gol belongs to what? I don't believe Gol is a member of any international airlines alliance.



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User currently offlinecahmc85 From Portugal, joined Jul 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Is there any possibility of service to Europe or is that out of question these days? Any plans of future expansion and revitalize the brand?

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6370 times:
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Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 4):
Does Varig still fly and if they do what sort of an airline are they now? I remember seeing Varig at LAX back in 92 a 743 at TBIT well I think it was a 743 then a few hours later i saw a RJ DC10-30 come in.

Yes...back in the early 1990's, RG flew re-engined 743's on a NRT-LAX-GIG service (I think that's right). For a very brief period, they flew their 744's on the route. VASP had something similar using MD-11's. I believe the DC-10-30's flew just Brazil-LAX before dropping the service completely.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
GOL would have to have RG join an alliance (maybe OW since GOL belongs)

You seem to know something that neither GOL nor OW know about , perhaps you would care to share where you got your information about GOL belonging to OW ?



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 2):
They fly to Las Vegas?? Since when. I have lived in LAS for the last 5 years and have never seen them here.

Actually there was a Gol flight into and out of LAS on 12/26... at least according to Flytecomm... not sure what it was doing there.


User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 11):
Actually there was a Gol flight
into and out of LAS on 12/26... at least according to Flytecomm... not sure what it was doing there.

GOL has 15 scheduled charters over the next month from Rio to LAS with a stop in PJU for fuel on a 763.


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
GOL would have to have RG join an alliance (maybe OW since GOL belongs)

Gol is not a member of any of the 3 major alliances. The closest it has to an alliance membership is a frequent flyer agreement with Delta, by which member of the Smiles program can redeem miles for tickets on Delta flights. Perhaps this is the prelude to a future membership in SkyTeam - and provide more LatAm coverage for the alliance, which only counts AM and AR (2012) in its roster. Gol would provide outstanding coverage in Brazil but little to none international presence for the alliance.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting DCAJet (Reply 13):
The closest it has to an alliance membership is a frequent flyer agreement with Delta, by which member of the Smiles program can redeem miles for tickets on Delta flights. Perhaps this is the prelude to a future membership in SkyTeam - and provide more LatAm coverage for the alliance, which only counts AM and AR (2012) in its roster.

They also have a codeshare agreement with AM I think, and there are discussions to include mileage redemption and accrual benefits.

That said, I believe Gol also has some sort of partnership with AA, but I may be wrong.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting mccarranmgr (Reply 12):
Actually there was a Gol flight
into and out of LAS on 12/26... at least according to Flytecomm... not sure what it was doing there.

GOL has 15 scheduled charters over the next month from Rio to LAS with a stop in PJU for fuel on a 763

Oh, can you tell me when (send me a private message if you dont want to list it here)? I would love to be sitting in the spotter lot on Sunset when that bird comes in on 25L. By the way, thank you for that little lot, and the radio station with ATC on it, its one of the most spotter friendly set ups I have seen in the US.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 2):
They fly to Las Vegas?? Since when. I have lived in LAS for the last 5 years and have never seen them here.

Since last month. Begin as GIG-GRU-LAS now become GIG-LAS



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4464 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
They got 15, already returned 11.

GOL tried to restablish VARIG as Brazil's international airline to Europe, but it went no where. Varig had 767-300ER and the foreign airlines had 777, 744 and A330/340. TAM had A330-200's too, those old 767 were just not up to flying all teh way to FRA and LHR competitvely.


User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 15):
Oh, can you tell me when (send me a private message if you dont want to list it here)? I would love to be sitting in the spotter lot on Sunset when that bird comes in on 25L.

They are scheduled to arrive every sunday in January at 0910 with a 1035 departure.

Quoting LV (Reply 15):
By the way, thank you for that little lot, and the radio station with ATC on it, its one of the most spotter friendly set ups I have seen in the US.

I will be sure to pass your thank you on. It really is a great place to see/hear the action.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
GOL tried to restablish VARIG as Brazil's international airline to Europe, but it went no where. Varig had 767-300ER and the foreign airlines had 777, 744 and A330/340. TAM had A330-200's too, those old 767 were just not up to flying all teh way to FRA and LHR competitvely.

- Worst Equipment, no entertainment
- Not their biggest hub, less feed
- They lost Star Alliance
- Lack of Interline and Code-share agreements

I believe they went too quick for the planes and do not pay attention to the need of a business plan that focus on a sustainable operation: feed, hub, product and alliance.

May be if they ordered some 772 by 2006, they could receive them in 2009 and this year, and would be very well received if they run flights using their current code-share agreements



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4329 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
That said, I believe Gol also has some sort of partnership with AA, but I may be wrong.

That is correct. GOL also has a partnership with IBERIA as well. AA and IB code-share on certain GOL operated flights beyond AA/IB destinations in Brazil to select destinations with-in Brazil.

AA/GOL agreement: http: www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/codesharePartners/GOL.jsp

IB/GOL agreement launched in 2009 and still remains intact: http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/g...f148274210VgnVCM100000930216ac____


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

So based on this thread GOL currently uses the 767 on the GRU-BGI route and GIG-LAS route and they have just 4 767's. Which other routes are they (planning on) flying their 767's too?

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3946 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
So based on this thread GOL currently uses the 767 on the GRU-BGI route and GIG-LAS route and they have just 4 767's. Which other routes are they (planning on) flying their 767's too?

MCO charters, from many places, such as GIG, VCP, CNF, BSB, REC
GRU-CUN weekly, GIG/GRU/CNF-PUJ weekly. GIG-LAS, GRU-LAS... they are really busy with CVC tour operator charters.



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User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

I also noticed that GOL is doing charters from EZE to Punta Cana via MAO late in the evenings a couple times/week, Sundays for sure.

Would those be on a 738 or one of the VRG 767s?

Lots of charter activity in Argentina for the summer as well - In addition to GOL and Andes, PAL of Chile will base a 757 (EC-LHL) wet leased from Mint Airways from charters from EZE and a 757 (EC-HDS) based at COR, wet leased from Privilege Style/Empty Leg. The latter is already at COR, and the former is in SCL at PAL's base, should be making the short hop to its summer home (EZE) over the next few days, in time for summer vacation madness in South America.

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3863 times:
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Quoting DCAJet (Reply 23):
Lots of charter activity in Argentina for the summer as well - In addition to GOL and Andes, PAL of Chile will base a 757 (EC-LHL) wet leased from Mint Airways from charters from EZE and a 757 (EC-HDS) based at COR, wet leased from Privilege Style/Empty Leg. The latter is already at COR, and the former is in SCL at PAL's base, should be making the short hop to its summer home (EZE) over the next few days, in time for summer vacation madness in South America.

PAL also wet-leased one A-330-300 (EC-LEQ) for scheduled charter flights from SCL to CUN, FLN, HAV, PUJ, and VRA. The a/c should arrive at SCL by January 3, 2011. PAL was supposed to launch SCL-COR 4x weekly as well, but I guess they decided not to open the route.


25 DCAJet : The route did start on Sep 17, with CC-ACE operating the first flight. Clearly ill equipped to face LAN on this route, after only a month PAL decided
26 SCL767 : LAN only operates SCL-COR 11x weekly (A319 5x weekly + A318 6x weekly) and receives connecting pax transiting via SCL. However the route should be ab
27 DCAJet : Have you thought that perhaps the route does not support two airlines on it? It would be interesting how much of LAN's traffic is point 2 point COR-SC
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