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JFK Airport Is Closed  
User currently offlineMedic2366 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 39169 times:

Just heard on tower frequency that Kennedy Airport is closed as of 2018

[Edited 2010-12-26 17:20:59]

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User currently offlinesandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 39199 times:

I am actually surprised they managed to stay open until now.

User currently offlineOneSkyJet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38986 times:

Air India 101 is still showing inbound from Delhi on flightaware near Boston. Probably will have to divert.

User currently offlineflyinghippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38970 times:

CX840 diverted to YYZ... Mother in law is on that flight... Any idea when they will reopen?

User currently offlinedrew13btv From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38931 times:
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Currently listed as closed until 5:00 AM tomorrow morning.

User currently offlineMedic2366 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38935 times:

Tower and ground are telling aircraft to contact the Port Authority for more information. Controllers say they have no idea when the airport will reopen.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4414 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38849 times:

Quoting Reply 2):
Air India 101 is still showing inbound from Delhi on flightaware near Boston. Probably will have to divert.

Interestingly, as of right now, it just started the descent... into JFK!


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38668 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):

Apparently they are going to circle a bit over suffolk county. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC101D



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User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 38660 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):

I think they are in a holding pattern right now... Cathay Cargo 84 is also descending into JFK...


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4414 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38577 times:

Quoting ac033 (Reply 8):
I think they are in a holding pattern right now...

Yeah, looks like it's holding over eastern Long Island.

This is interesting. If JFK is closed, and they've known there are blizzard conditions at JFK for the past few hours, why are they in a holding pattern over Long Island? Seems like a bit of a waste of time and fuel.... why not just head on down to IAD (or whevever AI diverts it's NY flights)?

[Edited 2010-12-26 18:06:44]

User currently offlineOneSkyJet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 82 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38541 times:

Bet they go to Toronto.

User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38470 times:

Quoting Reply 10):

I agree - if they divert I think YYZ is likely. Still holding over long island at the moment



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38450 times:

Wow. Just what you want after a 15 hour flight in coach from India in a middle seat! Holding!

You'd think they'd have diverted the instant ATC relayed to them the fact that JFK is closed until the morning. Not like the ATIS wouldn't have shown a blizzard for the last few hours!


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38422 times:

Weather Channel is reporting they have confirmation from AA that all Northeast arriving and departing flights are cxl until 10am on Monday


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38300 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 11):

I agree - if they divert I think YYZ is likely. Still holding over long island at the moment

It's going for IAD.


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38304 times:

The AI destination just changed into IAD.

User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38252 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 11):

i am at YYZ and just waiting for her to divert here.... but no such luck.... she is going to IAD


User currently onlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38144 times:

Wouldn't it be much easier for flights to divert to a destination within the original country they were flying to? It seems that going to Toronto could cuase some HUGE visa/immigration issues.


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38143 times:

Weather in the DC area is fine - no snow (just a bit windy) - so I expect IAD will get more diversions like AI.


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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38073 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 17):

Good point. My guess was YYZ as it is an AI city whereas they don't serve IAD. I am guessing *A partner UA will handle them at IAD.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37827 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 17):
Wouldn't it be much easier for flights to divert to a destination within the original country they were flying to? It seems that going to Toronto could cuase some HUGE visa/immigration issues.

If it was a Canada bound flight diverting to the US I would agree (in fact I'm wondering if it would even be allowed to divert, unless emergency declared ? I'm thinking of a plane not supposed to overfly US territory).

[Edited 2010-12-26 19:42:00]


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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37615 times:

Take a look at the delay showing on this weather channel website for JFK

http://www.weather.com/weather/today...ew+York+NY+10031?from=recentsearch



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User currently onlinen800nn From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 36731 times:

keep us posted poor people

User currently offlinejfktpa119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 35320 times:

great day to listen to JFK ATC as well as the company channels.


Highlights of the day:

Vision Airlines 6402 (RBY6402) I think it was a charter from Havana. The pilot did not know if he had a gate or not, and went to parking. After a little bit of waiting passenger needed EMT services.

UAL 15 taxied to runway, they said there was said there was drifting piles of snow in center of runway 4L, called it a night and went back to the gate.

Many diversions to montreal, scranton, and syracuse.

The most interesting story for me was B6 flight 12 got diverted to Harrisburg PA (KMDT).


In my opinion, I feel like a lot of airlines today took the chance to get their passengers from point A to point B. That being said, I don't think it was worth the chance. I would think it would cost a lot more in the long run to stay in a holding pattern for hours, and then when fuel is low divert to an airport where you are going to have to pay more because you don't have any of own your own services. Then you have support passengers with hotels or additional transportation. Give me your feedback.

Sounds like a terrible day to fly, but I would of gone along for the ride to the way thinks panned out.


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 34832 times:

Quoting jfktpa119 (Reply 23):
Then you have support passengers with hotels or additional transportation.

Unless you have top status with certain airline elite programs (i.e. Global Services or 1K on United Airlines), it is not the responsibility of the airline to cover meals, alternate transportation, or lodging due to weather related delays, cancellations, or flight diversions (for U.S. domestic flights...EU rules differ).



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25 alphaomega : AI arrived at IAD and UA had nothing to do with them. The aircraft is currently parked at B37, no estimated departure time and the pax sent to hotels
26 Post contains images don : I am sure that you are really upset about the delayed arrival of your M-I-L.
27 Post contains images pilotaydin : damn i was hoping TK 2 would have been in IST at the same time as me, but i just learned from my company frequency during approach that it never even
28 Carfield : Just saw an update with flightaware.com JFK is now closed till 4pm LGA is closed till 2pm EWR is closed till 12pm Not sure how accurate flightaware is
29 Flyingfox27 : I wonder when JFK is going to get a battering like poor old LHR did, unless JFK opens in double quick time i suppose?
30 drew13btv : Well flyingfox, this was an actual storm and not a baby snow storm destroying a country's infrastructure for three days over a normal light snow storm
31 Pilot21 : FAA website is confirming the same details: JFK closed till 4pm on 27th Dec LGA closed till 2pm EWR closed till 12pm Pilot21
32 Mir : LHR got 12-18 centimeters. JFK got 12-18 inches, plus heavy winds to blow all the stuff around. There is a difference. Still, I'll bet that JFK will
33 ocracoke : We'll see how quickly it takes JFK to reopen after 45cm of snow and up to 90 km/h winds. I bet it wont take as long as LHR did.
34 LipeGIG : JJ diverted two flights and cancelled one JJ8078 GIG-JFK diverted to MIA JJ8080 GRU-JFK diverted to MIA JJ8083 is cancelled.
35 planeguy727 : Good morning from a snow covered NYC. The wind is now the major problem as our airport friends try to get things sorted to re-open. I wish them all th
36 FCAFLYBOY : I was wondering how long would take for this topic to turn into a US vs UK competition....... Fact is, the UK is not even the size of the state of NY
37 YYZRWY23 : FAA website has now been updated. LGA and EWR are now not opening until 4:00pm along with JFK and TEB. Good luck to all at those airports. My neighbo
38 Koosi : My thoughts exactly! How do airlines/Canadian immigration deal with pax who don't have the proper documents to enter Canada? Huh? The UK is almost tw
39 frequentflykid : There are currently four aircraft inbound to JFK: CPA 84 from ANC - 744 ANA10 from NRT - 77W AAR222 from ICN - 772 CPA830 from HKG - 77W Will the airp
40 SSTsomeday : Interesting that we have not yet heard any horror stories about passengers being stuck on landed planes for hours on end. Especially those of A/C who
41 FCAFLYBOY : If the airports are able to re-open in the next few hours, hopefully it will stay that way. Once you get past 5/6pm today though, I think things will
42 flyinghippo : Depends on what airline - My mother in law got put up in a hotel room in Toronto by CX. LOL - Well, my wife was nervous... and when the wife is in a
43 rfields5421 : The FAA also shows HVN, ISP and SWF as closed.
44 b707forever : Hello from Manhattan where from out my window (10th floor) I see 3 foot drifts of snow and not very nice conditions. It was a wild night of white out
45 CX Flyboy : One good reason to pay a bit more and fly an airline like CX!
46 pilotaydin : Hey everyone, does anyone have a webcam link that works for JFK airport?
47 frequentflykid : CPA84 - not sure (I assume YYZ?) ANA10 - went to IAD AAR222 - went to ORD CPA830 - went to YYZ
48 N623JB : So i guess no airport action today except for everything being at a stand still..I wonder what is to be of the workers at the airport? if they are to
49 phileet92 : Anyone remember the last time all three major NYC airports were closed?
50 firstclasser : Flying out of LGA at 6PM. I hope to make it. It's going to be rough.
51 STT757 : 2006 and 1996?..
52 avion660 : That must depend on where you are in the world when your CX flight is cancelled. There are many horror stories of CX 'customer service' after the ash
53 WNWatcher : Is the Screen all white???
54 texan : Check out some of the pictures from The New York Times -- they had snow piled over a foot high inside the subway stations! And two subways near JFK w
55 United1 : ...from a customer service perspective a diversion is handled very differently than a cancellation is. Most airlines are going to put you up in a hot
56 fca767 : I was up to my knees in it, in liverpool, i'm sure that's +++ inches
57 contrails15 : I live in Howard Beach which is right next too JFK and I couldn't get to work. All secondary roads haven't even been touched yet in the city which is
58 klm77 : From what I saw driving this morning at YYZ, there was a Cathy B744 (Couldn't tell if it was cargo or not) and a El Al B772.[Edited 2010-12-27 08:39:0
59 PSUmd80 : Would you be willing to post a few of the pics?
60 Post contains images contrails15 : This is why the airports are closed. This is ground level on gate 1 at JFK T5 today.
61 N623JB : What an amazing scenery! no wonder why the airport is closed. But, I did hear that the runways are open but were covered with snow again..
62 Post contains images ocracoke : Goodness! You have now had a few snow storms in the past two or three years, and are now "experts" on snow? The Inuits/Eskimos have over 40 different
63 nyc2theworld : Just in time for UNITE to call another strike!
64 planeguy727 : CNN reporting that JFK now closed until 6pm, EWR and LGA closed until further notice
65 Post contains links and images Part147 : Not as amazing that people in the world still believe that urban legend crap... Here's a good list of 'eskimo snow words' you can quote from for the
66 nyswiss : I made it barely in yesterday on LH410 around 3 pm, visibility was extremely low and it took a hour to taxi to the gate
67 dartland : EWR to reopen at 6pm local time, per OIS.
68 b707forever : I was listening on ATC when you landed and your Captain called the 'braking action' good on the runway. Glad you made it in though I imagine the grou
69 LipeGIG : Coming back from Rio, after a short day in Buenos Aires, with the crazy schedule I ever made: EZE-MIA arrived 4 am Taxi to FLL FLL-PHL on US Airways a
70 SQ452 : Any idea where current international flights being diverted? I know the airport is closed, but there is a decent number of int'l flights heading towar
71 contrails15 : Most of the international's are going to IAD and CLE from what I've been reading. Surprised I haven't seen any going into PIT. Lord knows they have en
72 LONGisland89 : I'm assuming at least one runway & several main taxiways should be clear by the time they arrive. It stopped snowing here around 8am, the skies a
73 STT757 : LGA now closed until tomorrow, as per WABC Channel 7 reporting.
74 jfklganyc : London doesn't generally get a lot of snow. Very far north, but much like Seattle, influenced by maritime air that keeps it generally milder in the wi
75 SQ452 : QR83 is about an hour and a half out on flightaware, looks like its taking an approach from Canada over Montreal down the Hudson, will definitely be
76 delimit : DL just cancelled everything into LGA and JFK for the rest of the day (and I will be having a no doubt joyful conversation with the service desk staff
77 777boi : Just noticed that EK203 has been sent to ORD and EK201 has landed in YYZ! Will be a looong day for a lot of tired passengers and crew!
78 moose135 : Watching the local news this afternoon, they said it may be one of the top 5 storms for snowfall amount in NYC. Most locations around the city were r
79 b707forever : Yet US is operating shuttles into LGA. Shame on DL
80 STT757 : It's #6 if using measurements at Central Park, 2006 and 1996 still top this storm. 1996 was huge, much more snow than this storm. What makes this sto
81 Post contains links planeguy727 : Diversions thread here: NYC Blizzard Diversions (by planeguy727 Dec 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)
82 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : Yes, 2010 has been a brutal year here on Long Island (JFK and LGA are on Long Island) for wind. I can not tell you how many trees were knocked down t
83 Post contains images readytotaxi : BA183 B747 just left LHR-JFK so you are open for business.
84 contrails15 : Question is, will there anyone to bring that plane in? LOL
85 drew13btv : I don't know why you think that is that big of an accomplishment when there are already easily 20 inbounds to JFK most being international flights th
86 planeguy727 : Looks like a number of international flights bound for JFK and EWR left with the hope of getting in, and likely before the announced delay in opening
87 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : Really? I heard 6pm for JFK to resume operations, and the FAA website is showing it closed: http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/nemap.jsp
88 flyinghippo : It's a 6.5 hour flight... so we're looking at a 8-9 PM arrival. JFK should be open by then (at least on a limited basis).
89 United_fan : A B6 PBI-HPN diverted to ROC,ended up bussing the pax to HPN.
90 okie : How are employee's going to get to work with little or no ground transportation? The last news I saw said that what few restaurant/food vendors at JF
91 drew13btv : Hey guys - just because some aircraft are inbound to JFK does not mean in anyway they will be able to land there when they arrive in the area - in fa
92 contrails15 : There not. I work for one of the major airlines at JFK and i wasn't in yesterday and wont be in tomorrow. Yesterday just wasn't going to happen but t
93 planeguy727 : RJ 261 and KL 641 are doing fun circles over the SE edge of CT and top of LI right now - just waiting to see if they can get in I suppose
94 drew13btv : Both appear to be anticipating a hold until at least 6 PM. They are both holding at cruise altitude but I expected their ground speed to be a bit low
95 Geezer : As of 5:15 PM ,EST, I'm hearing on Fox News that LGA and JFK will be opening between 5:00 and 6:00 PM, EST it's now just 5:20 PM , EST
96 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : As per the FAA, LGA is open, JFK expected at 6: http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/nemap.jsp
97 planeguy727 : Might be Open Skies 3 from Paris that just turned toward YUL.
98 drew13btv : Thank you for your observations. However, if you had looked into it you would realize that LGA is effectively closed as well since there are no fligh
99 FiestaFlight : This was a weird storm. It was the wind that really made things hectic. In Fairfield, Conn. (about 55 miles from NYC) it took me 3 hours to dig out th
100 LONGisland89 : Royal Jordanian was just cleared to cross Calverton VOR! Hurray, finally!
101 LONGisland89 : Oh sorry my bad. KLM and RJA are both now cleared to hold at Calverton...almost there guys! Hang in there!
102 planeguy727 : Looks like QF 107 might be headed in
103 Post contains links tristarcrazy : Looks like several flight are heading in including UAE201 A388 from YYZ http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK
104 Post contains links drew13btv : Not yet - http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kjfk_gnd_twr listen and hear for yourself when they actually open.
105 drew13btv : First departure out of JFK. JFK is open.
106 planeguy727 : Just hear reopen 31 L
107 LONGisland89 : Correct, JFK is open, however no one has departed/landed or even started taxiing yet.
108 tristarcrazy : Yea, flightaware show them circling now. Just watching the new here in ATL, there is a madhouse of folks at the airport hoping to get north. Looks li
109 drew13btv : Somebody checked into departure, does the JFK approach/departure frequencies incorporate any satellite airports?
110 planeguy727 : Clear to land 31L - finally!
111 LONGisland89 : I'm not 100% sure but since the NY airspace is not busy at all, NY TRACON most likely has multiple sectors on the same freq. It's a possibility that
112 planeguy727 : The Royal Jordanian has landed. KL touching down QF 107 clear to land 31L
113 delimit : Oh yes they did. I will be spending a lot of time in ATL trying to get back to JFK standby tomorrow. And damn did they put me up in a...choice...hote
114 drew13btv : It was a departure from FRG
115 Idlewild : I believe I just heard a G4 asking to use 31L as an alternate to Islip and/or Republic.[Edited 2010-12-27 16:27:23]
116 777fan : BWI received AI 101D (a DEL-JFK 773) mid-afternoon today; I suppose they thought they'd get airborne and keep their fingers crossed that they'd reopen
117 Post contains images flyinghippo : hi Guys - quick question... 2 CX 840 is coming in - one from yesterday and one from today. I'm listening to the JFK tower and I hear "CX840 Delta Heav
118 drew13btv : Better than sitting in DEL. And if you have a flight that far away it would be absurd to play things based off of most recent JFK reports or forecast
119 Capt.Fantastic : "FlightStar" 413 just arrived - diverted from EWR what airline is this? The crew and ATC has no idea where they're supposed to park
120 AeroWesty : Seems to be Astreus operating for Iceland Express. You can google the airline/flight number code (AEU413) from flightaware.com for better info—they
121 moose135 : JFK tower said it was AEV413, but AEU seems to be correct.[Edited 2010-12-27 18:10:02]
122 CasasEWR : Anybody else listening to JFK ground? There's a piece of ground equipment stuck on a taxiway and the controller just asked if Joe Patroni was coming o
123 Post contains images TVNWZ : Nope. He's at Lincoln National trying to get a 707 out of the muck.
124 washingtonian : Pretty amazing that aircraft that landed 1-2 hours ago are still sitting there waiting to get to their gates!
125 asuflyer : The Astraeus pilot just announced to ground that no one wanted to handle them, so they shut down.
126 rfields5421 : A tremendously high percentage of airport workers were unable to get out of their homes and to work. Many public transportation routes are not runnin
127 Post contains links Mike89406 : Here are some webcams of the NYC area if anyones interested for anyone traveling on the area including the area around the 3 airports. http://www.traf
128 jetblast : Air India did not deplane. COA8 which diverted from NRT-EWR did, pax were bussed to EWR.
129 Carfield : My cousin is on CX840 departing on Dec 27 and landed early but as of now 10:41pm, he is still waiting for a gate! It is a rough day and they can't fin
130 washingtonian : I think there are more than one Cathay aircraft waiting...Very difficult situation.
131 washingtonian : What a mess...There are three Cathay Pacific aircraft waiting for gates!
132 tristarcrazy : China Eastern waited for about 4hrs
133 Carfield : My cousin is still stuck on the plane... they have been sitting on the plane since landing. It is hitting the seven hour mark with limited water servi
134 blueflyer : T4 will be a mess in the morning, as it seems to be the only place customs hasn't gone home for the night and everyone and their brother is headed tha
135 blueflyer : They can't go to T7 now since there are no customs. Ground told them there are three other flights waiting for a gate at T4. Air France 10 just got c
136 AeroWesty : Meanwhile, one of the first to land, KL641, is already 2 hours out over the Atlantic again as KL642, heading back to Schiphol. It's hard to understan
137 Post contains images DocLightning : Nope. That rule was a travesty that clearly cause disasters and mass cancellations. Oooh, I bet that EK crew is wishing they were back at home...
138 blueflyer : Planes cannot enter the ramp for whichever terminal they're going to until there's a gate available, so they're holding on taxiways at various points
139 AusA380 : In these situations why can't customs and immigration staff be rostered extra hours to help clear the backlog?
140 Post contains images LAX888 : Imagine flying for 14+ hours and being stuck for more than 6 hours in the plane after arriving. If you are in F or C class it might still be bearable
141 Carfield : Well my cousin just reported that they finally got a spot freed up in T-7. I presumed it is one of the BA flights, which is now getting de-iced, and t
142 blueflyer : Yeah. A couple of Speedbirds have left. One had to come back to the ramp before take-off for more de-icing, that is probably the one your cousin saw.
143 Carfield : Thanks Blueflyer for your post! They should be moving towards that gate now. Yes my cousin saw a plane being de-iced, and the pilot said that they wou
144 blueflyer : I don't have a direct link to the Port Authority, but they did report the buses were ready about 30 minutes ago. If they're not at T7 yet, it shouldn
145 Carfield : Thanks again for the info and I have not heard from them so I assume they finally parked and getting ready to deplane! Well hopefully everything will
146 777fan : Oh man, that would suck (especially if you were in Y class); a 14+ hour flight, followed by two hours or so on the ground at BWI, then another 1+ hou
147 Carfield : Well they finally parked at a gate and it is almost 6am! So they are just waiting for another 15 minutes for the immigration and custom office to open
148 AABB777 : QR83 diverted to IAD yesterday. FlightAware shows that QR 83D will be ferried up to JFK this morning.
149 STT757 : JFK airport should not have opened until not just the runways were clear, but sufficient staff were able to travel to the airport. The mass transit sy
150 tristarcrazy : Amen. I can't believe they let planes come in and sit on the taxiways for 4, 5, 6, 12 plus hours. Insane. I have a friend flying out of EWR today so
151 STT757 : Even if these passengers were deplaned and cleared customs quickly where were they going?.. The Airtrain was down, the Subways were down, no buses wer
152 washingtonian : Unacceptable. That is really ridiculous! I think they should have allowed limited flights in to reposition and operate out today. But literally just
153 Mir : That one's on the airlines. The Port Authority did their job in getting the airport open ASAP (you can't just leave a massive airport like JFK closed
154 blueflyer : Several flights did come and go, it's not as if they all came into a giant dark hole to spend the night. Hold times for a gate really exploded when cu
155 rfields5421 : Customs and immigration people on hand worked until they were falling down from exhaustion. However, they were short handed before they even started
156 sq_ek_freak : A good friend of mine was due to fly out on CX 839 last night and was refused a hotel room until 5am this morning (she had been at JFK since 6pm). Ev
157 sq_ek_freak : Also, in contrast to all the horror stories, especially centering around CX at the moment, here's a good one: In addition to my friend on CX 839, I ha
158 DavidYYC : CNN are currently working this story, its interesting. Airlines blame Customs/Immigration, for delay but they deny being closed. Port Auth say its the
159 KHPN : Quite the mess indeed... My CFI was scheduled to fly from ATL on sunday and wasnt able to get re-booked till thursday... Seems like we'll be seeing th
160 B6JFKH81 : I just took a look out the window and noticed that there are 4 CX aircraft here! 2 at T7, 1 waiting on the taxiway to go into T7 (which has been sitti
161 washingtonian : Is that the CX overnight flight from YVR waiting to get into T7? If so, it landed at 6:10 AM!!!
162 Carfield : Well just to conclude my cousin's story on CX 840... I went to bed after I was told that they were heading to immigration at 6am... well the story did
163 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : Taking a look at the radar, wow, tons of arrivals getting lined up and circling waiting to be lined up...very few departures: http://www4.passur.com/j
164 N623JB : Is this chaos at JFK still going on?(alot of int'l flights coming in with few Customs and Immigrations personnel available)
165 contrails15 : Word on the street is that major carriers are going to cease outbound ops due to the lack of crews. There simply isn't enough man power to handle the
166 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : I have to fully agree with you here. Yes while there were extraordinary circumstances with weather and operational constraints at JFK, there was a pr
167 flyinghippo : To add more on the CX 840 fiasco - My MIL landed at 2030 from Toronto (they diverted from HKG the night before), then waited until 0120 to deplane in
168 N623JB : ..which is due to the fact that theres alot of people that cant even get out of their driveways..and there are cars out there that are just stuck and
169 washingtonian : This was ALL at 6AM at T7?! Jeez! Did they clear FIS in Toronto? I'd love to see a timeline of CX landings, dockings, and take-offs at JFK over the p
170 B6JFKH81 : I just took another look out the window here. There are a BUNCH of lovely flashing yellow lights on 31R, I am guessing the winds died down enough to t
171 washingtonian : Does anyone know how many CX aircraft are on the ground at JFK now?
172 B6JFKH81 : There is still one parked at T8, in fact it looked like a 9W flight was waiting for a long time for that gate and finally got a different gate at T8.
173 washingtonian : Why would they stop in Tokyo?!! Crew rest reasons perhaps?
174 contrails15 : We're ceasing operations at 2000. Reason we are being told is just not enough man power and gates and hardstands are full.
175 exFWAOONW : Depending upon the design of the cargo doors, which varies from A/C to A/C, yes it is possible. They are designed to withstand exposure to -40 ambian
176 washingtonian : jetBlue or the entire airport?
177 JohnClipper : Yeah, happened to me two years ago on UA. Left HKG and it was 70F. landed at ORD and it was -6F. Waited almost two hours for bags and missed my conne
178 B6JFKH81 : I got 2 open bays in the hangar, come on over! LOL!
179 contrails15 : Jeblue but I'm willing to bet the other major carriers will be doing the same.
180 contrails15 : I wish I was over there. Its freakin mayhem over here and the break rooms are gross. The terminal is even worse.[Edited 2010-12-28 15:08:29]
181 mham001 : How does the blizzard of '82(?) rate? I remember 3' of snow and I was stuck inside JFK for 3 days.
182 jfidler : I came over to this thread after reading on CNN about the flights stuck on the tarmac at JFK waiting many hours to deplane. As I recall, wasn't there
183 contrails15 : What people that don't live in NYC understand is that the problem isn't just the airport. Yes I know this is an aviation thread but what I'm getting a
184 rfields5421 : The law does not apply to international flights. It would not surprise me if some domestic flights were handled first to avoid the 3 hour rule though
185 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DOT+TARMAC+DELAY+RULES Yes, and no. Remember that the major airports in NY were CLOSED completely. Pre-cancelling flights is extr
186 rfields5421 : In the US over this holiday season between Dec 21 and Dec 28 - the estimates were that 3 million people would travel via air for holiday purposes. Com
187 KHPN : without a doubt. not just in NYC either..the backup is leaving people stuck all over!
188 nyc2theworld : Agreed. Have a friend stuck in PHX trying to get to EWR (coming back from HNL on US) and won't be back till Sat.
189 CALPSAFltSkeds : We used to use "air start" trucks to unfreeze the lav connections at ORD in the 60's and 70's. Seemed to work pretty fast.
190 tristarcrazy : International flights or international airlines...non-us? Not disputing you, just asking. Wouldn't it be difficult to enforce a US law on an non-us c
191 Mir : Well, that's what the passengers wanted, isn't it? -Mir
192 Post contains images comorin : Heading out of JFK on EK Thursday, hope that things are back to normal by then . I remember the last big snowstorm (New Years Blizzard) affected inter
193 AABB777 : Can't an airline appeal a tarmac fine for having pax on a/c 3+ hours if certain conditions prevented the aircraft from going to a gate? In severe and
194 Post contains links rfields5421 : From the US Dept of Transportation (which is over the FAA) press release when the law passed. The law only went into effect in April 2010 Key points
195 tristarcrazy : Just listening to ATC at JFK tonight sound like more aircraft sitting on the taxiway waiting for a gate. BA179 has been idle for almost an hour with n
196 MrRick : I have a question in regards to the JFK fiasco. Many airlines canceled flights prior to the snow storm that hit the NY area. Yet many decided to go fo
197 louA340 : I've been listening to ATC today and even though things are running a lot smoother there still seems to be quite a few planes that have been waiting a
198 panamair : DL had quite a few transatlantic flights headed for JFK on Monday Dec 27 as well but they diverted virtually all of them to ATL or DTW or MSP, even t
199 LAXintl : United is operating several extra sections on the 29th/30th at JFK. Wed 29th. UA9789 LAX-JFK > B744 UA9791 ORD-JFK> B772 UA9792 JFK-SFO> B772
200 NorthstarBoy : Having read the locked thread on the passengers stranded on the CX flight for 11 hours, I can't help but wonder: If the plane can't be parked at it's
201 b707forever : Let's face it, T7 at JFK does not have enough gates, period. BA and CX should be ashamed they didn't move the aircraft over to T4, like AF did with 2
202 Speedbird2155 : You are trying to blame the airlines, when for a 2nd night now airlines have faced similar situations. This time, it is different airlines (Air Franc
203 A388 : Does anyone know if there are delays from EWR today or has everything returned to normal by now? Is CO delaying or cancelling flights from EWR this mo
204 AirNZ : And who's going to foot the bill if all those booked rooms are not required. Indeed, for how long do you feel employees should have to be in a hotel
205 jfklganyc : " That one's on the airlines. The Port Authority did their job in getting the airport open ASAP (you can't just leave a massive airport like JFK close
206 nyc2theworld : Actually they did. They got one runway as open as soon as possible so airlines could started limited service. Limited service includes delays. If B6 d
207 washingtonian : Indeed. Last night was slightly better than Monday night but still not great. Wow! I'll be heading out to JFK today/tomorrow then...I have such vivid
208 washingtonian : This is what I wrote in the other thread before it was locked: Very easy. Once BA 183 talked to its ground staff and ascertained that no gates were av
209 rfields5421 : Yes - it is FULLY the airlines fault. They know that there will be delays. That JFK does not have access to full staffing to handle more than a very
210 washingtonian : Having four CX aircraft (77Ws no less) on the ground at JFK is wild...It's simply impossible for T7 to handle that.
211 jfklganyc : So to branch off what another poster said above "the airlines did their job." Is it better to land at JFK and have them sit for 10 hrs or to divert to
212 nyc2theworld : Based on these two responses I would like to make sure I understand this correctly. Its not ok for the PA to open the airport without 2 parallels ope
213 Mir : So one would think that after the experience with the first night, they'd look into whether sending the flights was really a good idea on the second
214 moose135 : It depends on who you are...from the airline's point of view, it's certainly better to land at JFK than divert. They can have you sit on the aircraft
215 N623JB : I presume that there will still be alot of planes out there going nowhere til tomorow right?(from JFK)
216 Speedbird2155 : Just as with BAA and LHR earlier this month, the owners of JFK have to take the responsibility for what has happened. It is for the PANYNJ to ensure
217 Post contains links and images B6JFKH81 : Taking a look at the radar, it looks like a HUGE improvement on the number of arrivals and departures today, including using the 4's for the runways.
218 jfklganyc : "Based on these two responses I would like to make sure I understand this correctly. Its not ok for the PA to open the airport without 2 parallels ope
219 Goblin211 : i presume BA will be fined right?
220 nkops : Don't know if you have ever been on a clearing crew or not... but clearing the "damn " runways isn't as easy as running a plow up and down, especiall
221 jetblast : ......fined for what, exactly? By this logic, CX and all the others that have had to wait for gates will also face fines.
222 Revelation : You act as if open/closed is a binary value, 1 or 0, but it is not. There's such a thing as being partially opened. But in the rat's race that is air
223 rfields5421 : And I assume you believe everyone got to work promptly on Monday morning. There were no delays because the subways, trains and buses were not running
224 blueflyer : I think you hit it on the head. When JFK was (partially) open, snow removal was still very much in full force, even for taxiways and runways that wer
225 rfields5421 : Actually the 'big' horror stories are flights which were sent when the airport was closed - because the airlines hoped to get in the moment the airpo
226 contrails15 : All runways and taxi ways are clear but believe me when I tell you, we are nowhere out of the woods. Est. are that things should be back to normal by
227 nkops : Is it legal to dispatch an aircraft to an airport that has been NOTAM'd closed?? (I am speaking domestically, I know int'l rules are different)
228 washingtonian : The other airlines had 2-4 hour waits, which was unfortunate but somewhat understandable for the circumstances. 10 hour waits are not! It was primari
229 Speedbird2155 : In the case of the BA flights, these were only sent after JFK indicated it would reopen at 6pm. Both BA flights that evening were on hold until it wa
230 louA340 : That was my thought as well, why not just park the planes at remote stands and bus the passengers to the terminal, or even tow the parked planes out
231 Mir : That only works if the remote stands are cleared of snow. Which they might not have been - they tend to be of lower priority than taxiways and runway
232 delimit : Remote stands need to be cleared as well, as do the roadways for the buses. Also, who knows how many drivers JFK had available, given the difficulty g
233 B6JFKH81 : Do pax getting off on remote stands and bussed to the terminal fall under AOA escort needs too? If they do, you would need 1 security guard for every
234 contrails15 : One reason as to why this can't happen right now. No manpower to do it. Thats at least for our point of view but I'm sure the other major carriers ar
235 alitalia610 : Can someone please explaine to me why all these kind of problems(that happen EVERY DAMN year) happen ONLY in the US airports??? Do not use the excuse
236 LAX888 : I agree with many comments that blame JFK and the Port Authority on not handling this situation correctly. They should have never opened JFK if they k
237 rfields5421 : It is legal to file an IFR flight plan to an airport which is NOTAM closed - as long as an open alternate is available.
238 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : NYC hardly has blizzards every year. This one, in particular, was very strong with barometric pressure dropping to the levels of a strong category 2/
239 jfklganyc : "And I assume you believe everyone got to work promptly on Monday morning. There were no delays because the subways, trains and buses were not running
240 nyc2theworld : Since the snow Started Sunday afternoon and the airport closed Sunday night...and the snow didn't stop till Monday Morning, and the crews got the air
241 jfklganyc : "As for PA staff that should have stayed...all that would include would be the Airport Police, ARFF, And Airport Maintenance staff that plow the field
242 Mir : That's kind of unrealistic. They had one runway clear in 24 hours, and the entire airport cleared in 72 hours, after 20" of snow. That's not that bad
243 nkops : That is completely unrealistic with the amount of snow plus the winds on top of it all... and its not just the runways, its also the taxiways, ramps
244 contrails15 : Which airlines were "ready to roll" because as a ramp agent for a major carrier at JFK. I can assure you we we're not "ready to roll" on tues.
245 alitalia610 : Yea,every year! (i guess you're being sarcastic...) Maybe not this amount of delays but for a lot of different reasons(snowstorm,thunderstorm etc etc
246 rfields5421 : There do seem to be more stories about people being stuck on planes either before takeoff or after landing in the US than other nations. But we do se
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