N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4083 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 36881 times:
Quoting ac033 (Reply 8): I think they are in a holding pattern right now...
Yeah, looks like it's holding over eastern Long Island.
This is interesting. If JFK is closed, and they've known there are blizzard conditions at JFK for the past few hours, why are they in a holding pattern over Long Island? Seems like a bit of a waste of time and fuel.... why not just head on down to IAD (or whevever AI diverts it's NY flights)?
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 5704 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 36131 times:
Quoting doug_Or (Reply 17): Wouldn't it be much easier for flights to divert to a destination within the original country they were flying to? It seems that going to Toronto could cuase some HUGE visa/immigration issues.
If it was a Canada bound flight diverting to the US I would agree (in fact I'm wondering if it would even be allowed to divert, unless emergency declared ? I'm thinking of a plane not supposed to overfly US territory).
[Edited 2010-12-26 19:42:00]
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jfktpa119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 16 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 33624 times:
great day to listen to JFK ATC as well as the company channels.
Highlights of the day:
Vision Airlines 6402 (RBY6402) I think it was a charter from Havana. The pilot did not know if he had a gate or not, and went to parking. After a little bit of waiting passenger needed EMT services.
UAL 15 taxied to runway, they said there was said there was drifting piles of snow in center of runway 4L, called it a night and went back to the gate.
Many diversions to montreal, scranton, and syracuse.
The most interesting story for me was B6 flight 12 got diverted to Harrisburg PA (KMDT).
In my opinion, I feel like a lot of airlines today took the chance to get their passengers from point A to point B. That being said, I don't think it was worth the chance. I would think it would cost a lot more in the long run to stay in a holding pattern for hours, and then when fuel is low divert to an airport where you are going to have to pay more because you don't have any of own your own services. Then you have support passengers with hotels or additional transportation. Give me your feedback.
Sounds like a terrible day to fly, but I would of gone along for the ride to the way thinks panned out.
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 33136 times:
Quoting jfktpa119 (Reply 23): Then you have support passengers with hotels or additional transportation.
Unless you have top status with certain airline elite programs (i.e. Global Services or 1K on United Airlines), it is not the responsibility of the airline to cover meals, alternate transportation, or lodging due to weather related delays, cancellations, or flight diversions (for U.S. domestic flights...EU rules differ).
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25 alphaomega: AI arrived at IAD and UA had nothing to do with them. The aircraft is currently parked at B37, no estimated departure time and the pax sent to hotels
26 don: I am sure that you are really upset about the delayed arrival of your M-I-L.
27 pilotaydin: damn i was hoping TK 2 would have been in IST at the same time as me, but i just learned from my company frequency during approach that it never even
28 Carfield: Just saw an update with flightaware.com JFK is now closed till 4pm LGA is closed till 2pm EWR is closed till 12pm Not sure how accurate flightaware is
29 Flyingfox27: I wonder when JFK is going to get a battering like poor old LHR did, unless JFK opens in double quick time i suppose?
30 drew13btv: Well flyingfox, this was an actual storm and not a baby snow storm destroying a country's infrastructure for three days over a normal light snow storm
31 Pilot21: FAA website is confirming the same details: JFK closed till 4pm on 27th Dec LGA closed till 2pm EWR closed till 12pm Pilot21
32 Mir: LHR got 12-18 centimeters. JFK got 12-18 inches, plus heavy winds to blow all the stuff around. There is a difference. Still, I'll bet that JFK will
33 ocracoke: We'll see how quickly it takes JFK to reopen after 45cm of snow and up to 90 km/h winds. I bet it wont take as long as LHR did.
34 LipeGIG: JJ diverted two flights and cancelled one JJ8078 GIG-JFK diverted to MIA JJ8080 GRU-JFK diverted to MIA JJ8083 is cancelled.
35 planeguy727: Good morning from a snow covered NYC. The wind is now the major problem as our airport friends try to get things sorted to re-open. I wish them all th
36 FCAFLYBOY: I was wondering how long would take for this topic to turn into a US vs UK competition....... Fact is, the UK is not even the size of the state of NY
37 YYZRWY23: FAA website has now been updated. LGA and EWR are now not opening until 4:00pm along with JFK and TEB. Good luck to all at those airports. My neighbo
38 Koosi: My thoughts exactly! How do airlines/Canadian immigration deal with pax who don't have the proper documents to enter Canada? Huh? The UK is almost tw
39 frequentflykid: There are currently four aircraft inbound to JFK: CPA 84 from ANC - 744 ANA10 from NRT - 77W AAR222 from ICN - 772 CPA830 from HKG - 77W Will the airp
40 SSTsomeday: Interesting that we have not yet heard any horror stories about passengers being stuck on landed planes for hours on end. Especially those of A/C who
41 FCAFLYBOY: If the airports are able to re-open in the next few hours, hopefully it will stay that way. Once you get past 5/6pm today though, I think things will
42 flyinghippo: Depends on what airline - My mother in law got put up in a hotel room in Toronto by CX. LOL - Well, my wife was nervous... and when the wife is in a
43 rfields5421: The FAA also shows HVN, ISP and SWF as closed.
44 b707forever: Hello from Manhattan where from out my window (10th floor) I see 3 foot drifts of snow and not very nice conditions. It was a wild night of white out
45 CX Flyboy: One good reason to pay a bit more and fly an airline like CX!
46 pilotaydin: Hey everyone, does anyone have a webcam link that works for JFK airport?
47 frequentflykid: CPA84 - not sure (I assume YYZ?) ANA10 - went to IAD AAR222 - went to ORD CPA830 - went to YYZ
48 N623JB: So i guess no airport action today except for everything being at a stand still..I wonder what is to be of the workers at the airport? if they are to
49 phileet92: Anyone remember the last time all three major NYC airports were closed?
50 firstclasser: Flying out of LGA at 6PM. I hope to make it. It's going to be rough.