turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9894 times:
I've heard a rumor that a Dassault Falcon 2000EX has recently been purchased by an Iranian operator from a Swiss based company called Dasnair (http://www.dasnair.ch)
Apparently she has been de-registered from Swiss reg HB-IGQ and is operating around Iran under the registration EP-FSC (AC role and interior config still unknown) if anyone has any pics or info please share.
eicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2067 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9571 times:
Are you sure it was HB-IGQ? From the very informative & up to date bizjet website of LAAS International HB-IGQ is now registered in Slovakia.
OM-IGQ Dassault Falcon 2000EX 9 (ex HB-IGQ)
Dublin, where Sam Maguire will be coming home to in mid September
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9189 times:
Quoting Giancavia (Reply 2): Are you sure it was HB-IGQ? From the very informative & up to date bizjet website of LAAS International HB-IGQ is now registered in Slovakia.
OM-IGQ Dassault Falcon 2000EX 9 (ex HB-IGQ)
The AC is likely to have been "routed" through Slovakia as part of the procurement process - LAAS International should update their data on this AC as it now lives in Iran.
SolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7632 times:
Is there a particular reason why this is newsworthy? They get second hand planes from all over the place. If its not a new build, it's not sanctioned after a period of so many years. Hence the lack of purchases of new Airbus or Embraer frames.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6854 times:
Those familiar with Iranian aviation will know that the country has not purchased any biz jets wince the revolution of 1979. The fact that EP-FSC represents the first purchase in 31 years is pretty significant.
SolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6285 times:
Quoting turbofan1960 (Reply 5): Those familiar with Iranian aviation will know that the country has not purchased any biz jets wince the revolution of 1979. The fact that EP-FSC represents the first purchase in 31 years is pretty significant.
I don't think that's true at all and I have been to Iran personally. They may not have directly purchased biz jets through the government but I am sure they have purchased several via front companies or IRGC.
This Falcon2000 will be the first biz jet placed on the Iranian register since many many years. In that time only 2 biz jets (2 Falcon50 , already Dassault ! ) have received Iranian registrations , but were stolen from Iraq.
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6173 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 7): Since the beginning of the revolution in Iran , no new or secand hand bizjet have been imported and wear or have worn EP-... reg.
What about Falcon 50s EP-TFA and EP-TFI? They were built in 1982 and 1983 (respectively) and, so, postdate the revolution. I believe this were both ex-Iraqi aricraft and so were "acquired" rather than "imported" or "purchased".
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Since the beginning of the revolution in Iran , no new or secand hand bizjet have been imported and wear or have worn EP-... reg.
True, this war prize from Iraq wears a military registration. Flown to Iran during the 1991 war.
a300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5788 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 7): This Falcon2000 will be the first biz jet placed on the Iranian register since many many years. In that time only 2 biz jets (2 Falcon50 , already Dassault ! ) have received Iranian registrations , but were stolen from Iraq.
The word "stolen" is a loaded one that can lead to a diversion into non-aviation topics. This planes were among many civilian and military-registered Iraqi aircraft that were flown to Iran by their Iraqi pilots in 1991, in order to avoid destruction by the American-lead forces. Some of these aircraft had been taken from Kuwait by Iraqis in 1990. These were returned to Kuwait from Iran after the end of the Kuwait Conflict. The reminder where considered partial compensation for the losses incurred during the Iran-Iraq War and were confiscated by the Iranian authorities. Whether these actions were in keeping with the international law and the traditions of war is a complex topic and should be dealt with elsewhere.
Of note, the Iranian government has added an A320 and an A321 to its VIP fleet over the last few years. These are on the civilian register.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5724 times:
All good info, however apart from Mahan Air's Cessna Citation (didn't know about this until FCKC's post) I believe that the Falcon 2000EX is only the second biz jet to be purchased by Iran in 31 years. Any ideas on how much this would cost approximately? From the AC serial no the YOM is 2003.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5713 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Only ONE new biz jet has been imported , but wears an Armenian registration , this is Cessna Citation CJ2 below , belonging to Mahan air CEO.
How the heck do they manage to get parts to keep the Citation flying? I'm pretty sure there are no authorized Cessna service centers in Iran so maintenance must be a very difficult issue for them.
YAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 796 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5299 times:
This problem is faced by almost all operators in Iran but they get around it somehow although it incurs extra expense and is very inconvenient. Besides I'm sure its not hard to service an Armenian registered Cessna in Armenia or elsewhere if they needed to.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4990 times:
Quoting turbofan1960 (Reply 12): Any ideas on how much this would cost approximately? From the AC serial no the YOM is 2003.
Just heard that the customer (Iranian Civil Aviation Organization: http://www.cao.ir) paid approx $20Million for the 2003 Dassault Falcon 2000EX. Any thoughts if they got a good deal or not?
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7429 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4943 times:
The Iran president needs some way to get around. Considering the size and wealth of the country, a used Falcon seems like a good compromise between cost and reliability. This is much more responsible than African countries buying brand-new ACJs.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4735 times:
There is no question that the president needs to get around, however the Falcon 2000EX was not purchased for the president's use (i.e. it is not part of the presidential fleet).
Quoting a300 (Reply 11): Of note, the Iranian government has added an A320 and an A321 to its VIP fleet over the last few years. These are on the civilian register.
Given the sanctions, Iran has done remarkably well with acquiring and maintaining the VIP government/presidential fleet of: 747SP, 707, 737-200, Falcon 20, A320, A321 and numerous helicopters.
My original question was asking if the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization got a good deal for the $20+Million they paid for the 2003 Dassault Falcon 2000EX - it seems to me that they paid too much.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4773 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4571 times:
Apparently the average price for a 2000EX is $25 million. That plane was built from 2003 to 2005, after that it's the easy with a new cockpit. So 2003 is the first year, but if it has low hours, good equipment, a good interior, it doesn't seem to be unreasonable. It's also possible they paid a premium because a limited amount of people/companies would deal with them.
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turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4210 times:
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Quoting turbofan1960 (Reply 17): Given the sanctions, Iran has done remarkably well with acquiring and maintaining the VIP government/presidential fleet of: 747SP, 707, 737-200, Falcon 20, A320, A321 and numerous helicopters.
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
Hopefully this is the first of many newish planes to start operating in Iran. Lets keep our fingers crossed...
turbofan1960 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
Just received word that the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) is close to purchasing another Falcon 2000 (possibly LX model) to add along side the EX they recently acquired. If anyone has pics or additional info please post.
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5156 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3676 times:
Why arent Iran Air going for used A340s, A330s, A321/319 or 737 family and the 744 to replace some of their fleet?
25 turbofan1960: That is a valid question 777way, however given the difficulties experienced by Iranian operators in previous attempts at doing exactly this it remain
26 turbofan1960: Just heard that the figure was actually north of $35Million.
28 turbofan1960: Just heard that EP-FSC is likely to be used for Flight Check / Flight Inspection for airports across Iran, especially Tehran. It is likely therefore
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