enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13021 times:
To my surprise, DL dropped some Christmas bombs on us.
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
Flights are daily except as noted "/wk" which means per week.
ABE-MDT 2>10/WK means a reduction from 2 daily flights to 10 flights per week which is about 1.5 flights
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR ONLY means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5818 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13004 times:
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12912 times:
as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5818 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12871 times:
a yeah! Thanks.
Future Sales must be looking bright.
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pvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12520 times:
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12463 times:
DL on BOS-PIT?!?! Now there is a shocker. Perhaps (at least for the sake of B6) this might kill off US on the route as opposed to B6. I cant see a market for three carriers there. US is heavily dependent on the FF's in PIT-BOS market. DL on the other hand has been steadily growing their FF base in PIT. Couple that with some 170/175's vs the US CRJ's and they could be a compelling alternative to US. B6 already provides a superior product and I believe could stand on their own against either DL or US but probably not both. If its just three more CRJ's however I dont see them making a dent.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12384 times:
steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8802 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11956 times:
Agreed on all points. I hope DL will throw on some E70s or E75s to make the route successful. I wonder how US will respond to this. I checked random dates in April for US' schedule, it's prett much a mix of E70/E75 equipment, with an evening Air Whiskie CRJ thrown in there. So, CRJs will be doomed to fail on that route...
We all know what B6 uses here...
Awesome news from DL!
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FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3170 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11864 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): MSP-TOL 2>1 JAN- Effective imemdiately it must be awful, sound of death march
The DL/TOL death march started before the switch to MSP, when the Toledo/Lucas County Port Authority got in bed with JetNowhereica at the expense of additional AA/DL/G4/Direct Air service. And we all know how that turned out.
Eagle already has western destinations mostly well covered via ORD, and TOL was (and still is) lacking a good eastern hub. DL should have switched TOL-DTW to TOL-ATL or TOL-LGA.
Quoting as739x (Reply 1): One question, VX SFO-SJC extended?
My mistake wrong San Jose. Should be...
VX
SFO-SJD 0>1 MAY- Extended
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2): This one surprises me a bit. Perhaps they are swaping aircraft on this route with AF for one of the flights?
I suspect that is the case, but its out of sync.
Quoting nkops (Reply 3): I think I saw in another thread these were moved to PVD-DCA....
May be, but still shocking to me. They never back off from B6. Well, almost never.
Quoting Flaps (Reply 7): DL on BOS-PIT?!?! Now there is a shocker.
I don't know what that is.
Quoting Flaps (Reply 7): Perhaps (at least for the sake of B6) this might kill off US on the route as opposed to B6.
...or both. I don't think either do well. Why is DL flying it? There are no slots in BOS? Is this more junk regional flying to feed their doomed LHR flights?
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 8): This one staying this long was a shocker...
Any CVG spoke flying that goes away doesn't shock me.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10): The DL/TOL death march started before the switch to MSP, when the Toledo/Lucas County Port Authority got in bed with JetNowhereica at the expense of additional AA/DL/G4/Direct Air service.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10): Eagle already has western destinations mostly well covered via ORD, and TOL was (and still is) lacking a good eastern hub.
How DL thinks that having the entire airport's service to the West is a good idea when most of the traffic is to the East is beyond me. It was just a carrot to the locals so they can say "we tried something else and you didn't support it". It's all political.
Frostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11441 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2): This one surprises me a bit. Perhaps they are swaping aircraft on this route with AF for one of the flights?
You guessed it. AF adds a second daily 777 service on ATL-CDG starting March 27.
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10713 times:
Lordy! Has anyone ever done such a rapid buildup of a route, ever?
Yes, I know they're E-jets, but still... 11 daily from zero in what... a year? Amazing!
I suppose it's a fairly well established route
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10635 times:
Lordy! Has anyone ever done such a rapid buildup of a route, ever?
Yes, I know they're E-jets, but still... 11 daily from zero in what... a year? Amazing!
Well, they cancelled 9x daily LGA-MDW when they started the route so it is simply moving the Chicago airport from MDW to ORD and adding 2x daily flights. Not as amazing as it would have been if they had only entered the New York-Chicago market a year ago.
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10429 times:
I doubt this is right; surely DL does not have 3x daily MSP-CUN?
Yes, Delta does fly the route 3x daily.
Wow.... and it was planned for 5x daily? That's a lot of capacity.
I once tried to book MSP-CUN and there were far fewer flights, I guess the frequency changes a lot with season. The summer schedule shows less than 1x daily.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6506 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10224 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 8): This one isn't too big a surprise, cause I think DL is upgauging equipment...WE'VE FINALLY GOT MAINLINE BACK!
Hasn't OKC gotten 88s for a while now? I know they had been all CR7s for a few years.
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 13): Lordy! Has anyone ever done such a rapid buildup of a route, ever?
Yes, I know they're E-jets, but still... 11 daily from zero in what... a year? Amazing!
I suppose it's a fairly well established route
They've been doing quite well on the route since its launching. I don't see them going anywhere.
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 14): I doubt this is right; surely DL does not have 3x daily MSP-CUN?
Currently DL501, 515, and 519 going down; all A320s.
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pvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 18 Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10115 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 11): May be, but still shocking to me. They never back off from B6. Well, almost never.
BOS-DCA (and IAD, and BWI) has massive capacity and low fares on B6 (and WN, and FL). PVD has 5 flights on US with about 450 weekday seats. DL must see an opportunity to expand their PVD presence, while still serving the greater BOS region with good DCA service; albeit at 2 differant airports. This is a case where BOS might have had too much capacity, and in DL's eyes, PVD didn't have enough.
Regardless of the reason, I hope the flights are successful. I like that this also opens up a few connecting options for the PVD market via DCA versus ATL or DTW.
flyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 510 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10053 times:
DL last best move if they don't get the traffic this time they will be burning even more money in a time when fuel is considerably higher. However my money is that they ramp down in September to a minimal presence.
Before anyone flames me about me how they are just looking for feed traffic when you fly a route 8x daily you are after local. Based on loads they are not winning people over so they have chosen to go for broke.
aviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10023 times:
This one surprises me a bit. Perhaps they are swaping aircraft on this route with AF for one of the flights?
Maybe a prelude to the AF380 CDG-ATL-CDG. It would atleast be a Skyteam Hub to Hub Route which should be able to fill the mammoth airplane which all Legacy Airlines seem determined to have happen on every flight departure.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8576 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9659 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-SFO 5>8 MAY-JUN; 7>8 JUN- Jeez they kept cutting it last year, now they keep adding
just a note
it goes from 2x 737 3x CR9 to 4x CR9 4x CR7 which is a add of ~30 seats, but alot more flights.
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diverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9475 times:
Quite the whack in service to BHM, unless it is perhaps CR2s being replaced by larger aircraft.
edit: I looked and indeed BHM goes from 2x MD88, 1x DC95, and 10x CR2 to 2x MD88, 5x DC95, 1x CR7, and 2x CR2. I'm sure the Delta frequent fliers in BHM are happy about that!
Delta gives and Delta takes away. ATL-HSV was 11>12 MAR- in your last update, and then 12>11 APR- in this update.
edit: I looked and HSV goes from 1x MD88 and 10x CR2 to 1x MD88, 1x DC95, 1x CR7, and 9x CR2. (delta.com showing 11x daily in March and 12x daily in April for now.) To my knowledge, April Fools Day will be the first scheduled appearance of a Delta DC95 in HSV.
NIce addition to LAX-SFO. T5 is getting pretty busy.
As always, thank you for the update - have a great holiday!
LAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1563 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9331 times:
Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 20):
Maybe a prelude to the AF380 CDG-ATL-CDG. It would atleast be a Skyteam Hub to Hub Route which should be able to fill the mammoth airplane which all Legacy Airlines seem determined to have happen on every flight departure.
I don't think ATL is an A380 capable airport. I seem to remember the airport's general manager a few years ago mention that ATL was not capable of receiving the A380 and they had no future plans to make the modifications to accommodate it even with their expansions plans with the new runway and terminal. Things could have changed since then, a lot of time has passed and there is a new GM.
25 Cubsrule: 2 words: spring break. If nothing else, a 380 worth of passengers in the existing customs hall would be bad, bad news (a 772 worth is pretty bad).
26 AUSisAwesome: Go figure! It was a shock when DL planned this route anyway. With CO planning this route and SY successful on this route, DL does not have the passen
27 deltal1011man: eh when i look at loads they all look fair, im going to say having a flight almost every two hours means more than mainline. It is not I wouldn't cou
28 kgaiflyer: There's unsubstantiated rumor that these Gulfstream International planes will move to CLE. If that's so, where would they be flying?
29 SCL767: 4C will suspend FLL-CLO and FLL-CTG on January 17, 2011. 4C will suspend FLL-BAQ and JFK-BOG on January 18, 2011.
30 FlyASAGuy2005: Only problem with that theory is ATL is not certified to handle the A380s
31 deltal1011man: hmmm well, not saying your wrong but, this isn't the only market DL is going for a bunch of flights on small aircraft when there are a crap-ton of se
32 aviationbuff08: With the new/additional international concourse soon to be completed, how much would it take to get one gate A380 capable of handling it. Or would th
33 ChrisNH: Isn't 5W Icelandair and don't they already fly from Boston to KEF?
34 FWAERJ: 5W is Astraeus, operating as Iceland Express. FI is Icelandair, and they also fly to BOS.
35 DTWAGENT: I feel that the DL and TOL will be going away. DL have the ATL route and they killed it. Why I don't know. But, we can say good bye to TOL wilthin the
36 slcdeltarumd11: Knowing delta, that is probably their sole real motivation, I am skeptical that we will see PIT-BOS or BOS-LHR last too long before a reduction needs
37 ChrisNH: Cool! I think this is the airline that the lead singer of Iron Maiden flies for, and he flies the 757. Hmmm!
38 FlyASAGuy2005: I may be making a huge assumption but i'd figure you were with NW at the time. The loads were always less than stellar (understatement) on TOL-ATL. E
39 FWAERJ: No wonder DL chose MSP and not ATL, the more logical choice for TOL... must have been the lousy past performance. 1 hour drive from Toledo to DTW? Th
40 ouboy79: Go figure you'd jump on anything Anti-TOL right away. Geesh. The death march started long before then. You can trace it back to when AirTran first st
41 burnsie28: It could have been the flights were already full, NW was flying MSP-CUN 3x daily for quite sometime, but they were often booked solid far in advance.
42 FlyASAGuy2005: I wasn't trying to say that what I said was the be all-end all. I'm sure and you made it known that there were many factors involved but just from my
43 ouboy79: Yeah...things started to tank back in the late 90s, it has just been a very long and drawn out situation concerning Delta there.
44 enilria: For some reason my last post was deleted #31. Not sure why. I still see quotes from it which is really weird as they are supposed to go with deleted p
45 FlyASAGuy2005: I even remeber there was suppose to be some upstart based out of TOL. What was the name of that scam?
46 enilria: Jet America, although it had a number of aliases.
47 ouboy79: The JetAmerica fiasco. It originally started as two ideas. Air Azul and JetAmerica. Air Azul was planned to a 737 operator with a network much like w
48 FlyASAGuy2005: OAG is usually updated well before GDS is. It should show in the next scheduled update of GDS. There we go. The topic was discussed to great length t
49 Cubsrule: So DL has been working on CHI-LGA for five years, WN trashed their yields at MDW, they moved to Chicago's higher-yielding airport, and suddently it's
50 pvd757: No one said PVD was BOS, but the PVD market is generally under served because of the airlines' ability to grab PVD passengers at BOS. PVD is the 37th
51 enilria: Let's be honest here. When it was flown from MDW it had a whole different purpose. They were flying it against arch-nemesis AirTran for a while. As s
52 Cubsrule: Yes - a presence in Chicago-LGA when ORD slots prevented them from doing it at ORD. That was their public statement at the time. Given that Delta is
53 burnsie28: Still not sure what "bombs" DL has dropped.
54 ocracoke: Yea...., me neither. It's been almost 4 days since this thread was started, and I'm still waiting for the announcement of the "bombs" DL is dropping.
55 bobnwa: Enrila does a great job posting this OAG filings, but is are the editorial comments needed? From the remarks it appears that "bombs" was more than a
56 Caribb: Great news for YVR! nonstops to ATL & DTW
57 enilria: Of course. You actually believe public statements from companies? How many times have companies said something is "doing well" only to close it a wee
58 Cubsrule: It's a tough conversation to have without concrete examples, but it's certainly fair to say that it's illegal for a publicly-traded company to say "W
59 PSU.DTW.SCE: I believe public statements from companies more than I believe hyperbole and skeptical commentary from outsiders.
60 TSS: I'm sure! Since DL has, via Delta Connection partners, begun routing flights from BHM through hubs other than ATL such as MEM, LGA, and MSP, there is
61 SkyPriorityDTW: Glad to see Vancouver getting some attention. A LOT of Canadians fly through DTW and I'm sure this route will be a hit. A lot of connecting opportuni
62 PSU.DTW.SCE: DTW-YVR isn't really a new route, it has traditionally been flown in the past by NW seasonally during the summer. I know it operated in summer 2008 &a
63 FWAERJ: One of our family members flew NW FWA-DTW-YVR in summer 2007 - the DTW-YVR leg was operated on an A320. Both I and yet another family member flew int
64 enilria: Harder to prove. OK yes, but you have probably seen as many suspect conversations as I have. Delta recently denied talks with Virgin Atlantic and the
65 Cubsrule: Absolutely, but it's nevertheless illegal. What evidence do you have that Delta broke the law? And in the absence of evidence, why should we assume t
66 FlyASAGuy2005: Since DL has, via Delta Connection partners, begun routing flights from BHM through hubs other than ATL such as MEM, LGA, and MSP, there is probably m
67 FlyPNS1: DL is feeling the pressure of traffic being sucked toward ECP. This route used to be 3x daily with DC9's just a few years ago, now down to just 2 CRJ
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