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DL 757-212 Subfleet  
User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 397 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10994 times:

Where does the Delta ex SQ/ATA 757-212s subfleet fly to these days? They used to be deployed on the ATL- BOG/CCS and LIM rotations if memory serves - circa 2000-1. Saw one at LAX the other day, but no clue where it was coming from. These have to be some of the oldest 757s frames still flying today.

Thanks!

[Edited 2010-12-29 19:07:36]


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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10993 times:

They aren't the ones being used on LAX-JFK routes are they?

User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

They are used heavily out of LAX, as they are ETOPS rated and can be used to Hawaii. Pretty much any LAX-Hawaii 757 service is on these planes, so they are very common in Los Angeles.

I had one on a MSP-LAX flight last week; the flight was continuing onto one of the Hawaiian islands. I think one of them might do a LAX-ATL flight as well.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
They aren't the ones being used on LAX-JFK routes are they?

No, LAX-JFK and SFO-JFK are all being operated by the ex-TWA 757s that have BusinessElite seating and AVOD in Y. The ex-ATA/Singapore 757s are 22F up front (no 6A/B) and have legrests that come out from the seat; IFE is overhead video in both cabins and there are no gasper vents overhead.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10878 times:

They are currently on SLC-LAX, LAX-KOA and LAX-OGG configured 22F 156Y.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
They aren't the ones being used on LAX-JFK routes are they?

Only 757s flying between JFK and LAX/SFO have Ricaro Business Elite seats configured 16J 158Y.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10301 times:

N752AT was in ATL yesterday -- very nice fresh re-paint!


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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10253 times:

Quoting DCAJet (Thread starter):

LAX-OGG 1x daily
LAX-KOA 1x daily
LAX-LIH 1x daily
LAX-SLC 1x daily
ATL-SLC 1x daily.

every now and then, LAX-ATL/DTW/MSP.



yep.
User currently offlinejbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

I flew on one from ATL- DEN departing from E. They occasionally show up on other routes.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

Back in July of 2007 I flew on 752AT from FLL-ATL. It was interesting to see that they had no gasper vents.

FX1816


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Flew one in 3/09 on BOS-ATL. I liked the footrests in F but not having the airvents is an issue.


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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

They commonly fly back to ATL for maint checks, and then do a short haul r/t before returning to Hawaii. BOS, TPA, and FLL seem to be the 3 rotations used. Transfer point is almost always SLC.

Typical routing:

LAX-KOA-LAX-KOA-LAX-SLC-ATL(1 DAY)-BOS-ATL-SLC-LAX-OGG-LAX etc.

Flew 752AT this summer, and while I was glad to log the unusal 757-212 designation, these birds are ready to be replaced by newer equipment. The late model 757-251 on the return was a stark contrast considering it was the same equipment!


User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 9):
They commonly fly back to ATL for maint checks, and then do a short haul r/t before returning to Hawaii. BOS, TPA, and FLL seem to be the 3 rotations used. Transfer point is almost always SLC.

Typical routing:

LAX-KOA-LAX-KOA-LAX-SLC-ATL(1 DAY)-BOS-ATL-SLC-LAX-OGG-LAX etc.

Flew 752AT this summer, and while I was glad to log the unusal 757-212 designation, these birds are ready to be replaced by newer equipment. The late model 757-251 on the return was a stark contrast considering it was the same equipment!

DL has four of these birds:

N750AT
N751AT
N752AT
N757AT

They are all nearly 25-years-old. All started their careers with SQ, then ATA, and finally with DL. They should be out the door in a few years given their age. FedEx might even pick them up!



Boston, USA
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 9):
Transfer point is almost always SLC.

I was also going to mention that it seemed like th jumping off point was SLC.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 5):
LAX-OGG 1x daily
LAX-KOA 1x daily
LAX-LIH 1x daily
LAX-SLC 1x daily
ATL-SLC 1x daily.

Hmmm, guess I was close enough  I didn't even know we flew our own equipment into Lihue. I though it was all on HA through KOA and HNL..

Oddly enough, LAX-LIH is on a TW 752 today. Must have been down one of the regulars today.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):


Hmmm, guess I was close enough I didn't even know we flew our own equipment into Lihue. I though it was all on HA through KOA and HNL..

Oddly enough, LAX-LIH is on a TW 752 today. Must have been down one of the regulars today.

Sometimes the 75Es will do a hawaii run if needed. (JFK-LAX-LIH-LAX-JFK.)

Oh and DL started LIH th same time they started KOA.....sometime around ~2008

[Edited 2010-12-30 10:02:36]


yep.
User currently offlinephllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 9):
They commonly fly back to ATL for maint checks, and then do a short haul r/t before returning to Hawaii. BOS, TPA, and FLL seem to be the 3 rotations used. Transfer point is almost always SLC.

Typical routing:

LAX-KOA-LAX-KOA-LAX-SLC-ATL(1 DAY)-BOS-ATL-SLC-LAX-OGG-LAX etc.

Before LAX-FLL was fropped for the first time in January 2008, it was run with one of the 212's that did a FLL-LAX-OGG-LAX-FLL rotation.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting phllax (Reply 13):
Before LAX-FLL was fropped for the first time in January 2008, it was run with one of the 212's that did a FLL-LAX-OGG-LAX-FLL rotation.

LAX-FLL goes 757 during parts of the summer but i think its been a 75X lately.



yep.
User currently offlineairplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

All 4 were assigned for the UIO/GYE back in 2006 and 2007, as well as BOG for many years. They had to be assigned for UIO and BOG because they are high special airports, and these planes were the only ones in the fleet that had the 22 minutes emergency oxygen in case of depressurization, instead of the typical 12.

JP



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4968 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

I find it somewhat humorous that posters here will say that an a/c needs replacement because it seems old inside. How interesting that most people think that NW's refurbished DC9s were new aircraft. The fact is that if DL did a decent interior refurb on these birds, most folks wouldn't notice. As long as the dispatch-reliability is decent, why replace them?

User currently offlinecptspeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Flightaware now lets you track airline tail numbers as well as flight numbers...very useful in this instance.

For example...
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N752AT

Jonathan



...and don't call me Shirley!!
User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6726 times:
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 16):
The fact is that if DL did a decent interior refurb on these birds, most folks wouldn't notice. As long as the dispatch-reliability is decent, why replace them?

Has nothing to do with interior refurbishment, but as an aircraft gets older, the cost to maintain acceptable dispatch reliability increases. These particular aircraft are oddballs in the Delta fleet and require their own stores inventories for critical and costly parts including brakes and avionics.

That doesn't mean they should be retired just based on that information, but it does mean they are more costly to maintain on account of both their advanced age and their differences from the -232 fleet. I rode in one of the -212s a few weeks ago and it seemed fine inside other than the lack of gasper valves and wifi.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

For DL, who has 8 (!) different 757 subfleets, why do these 4 need different brakes and avionics than the other 100+? I can't imagine what these would have different than say the older 5500 PMNW birds, or some other A/C in the fleet. I believe you, but just don't know what the major redsign was of these critical parts between these 4 units and the other smattering of 757s that DL has collected from airlines all over the place. They seem to have a habit of picking up random, small subfleets i.e. the GF 767s, TW 757s, these SQ/ATA birds, etc.


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 19):
For DL, who has 8 (!) different 757 subfleets, why do these 4 need different brakes and avionics than the other 100+? I can't imagine what these would have different than say the older 5500 PMNW birds, or some other A/C in the fleet. I believe you, but just don't know what the major redsign was of these critical parts between these 4 units and the other smattering of 757s that DL has collected from airlines all over the place. They seem to have a habit of picking up random, small subfleets i.e. the GF 767s, TW 757s, these SQ/ATA birds, etc.

If the price is right, why not? WN does it. They will pick up an odd 737-700 now and then. I figure both DL and WN would standardize the aircraft as much as possible.

Many airlines have sub-fleets. BA, for example, has four different configurations for its 777s, I believe.



Boston, USA
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 20):
If the price is right, why not? WN does it. They will pick up an odd 737-700 now and then. I figure both DL and WN would standardize the aircraft as much as possible.



The 75 fleet will be standardized at some given point in the future. As far as I know a date has not been set but there 'should' be two configs. Those with Business Elite seats will remain on their respective TATL flights as well as the JFK-LAX/SFO runs and some PMNW and PMDL a/c will also get BizElite and those will be found on the Pacific rim out of NRT as I've been told. The rest will have nose to tail AVOD 28F and either 158Y.

As it stands, they have a/c configured 20F 162Y (PMNW), 22F 162Y (PMNW), 22F 160Y (PMNW), 22F 156Y (PMDL), 24F 159Y (PMDL), 26F 158Y(PMDL) and 16J 158Y (PMDL). So as you can see, scheduling has quite a few seat maps to play with.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6089 times:
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Quoting AA777223 (Reply 19):
For DL, who has 8 (!) different 757 subfleets, why do these 4 need different brakes and avionics than the other 100+? I can't imagine what these would have different than say the older 5500 PMNW birds, or some other A/C in the fleet. I believe you, but just don't know what the major redsign was of these critical parts between these 4 units and the other smattering of 757s that DL has collected from airlines all over the place. They seem to have a habit of picking up random, small subfleets i.e. the GF 767s, TW 757s, these SQ/ATA birds, etc.

When the aircraft is being ordered from the manufacturer, there is a huge amount of equipment customization that each operator can select; e.g., these brakes instead of those, this avionics package or that one, etc.

If you were to park DL, AA, BA (YMM- fleet),NZ B777-200ERs all next to each to each other, it would be obvious that all have RR engines, all are or can be certified to up to 656k lbs MTOW, and all could--at a huge expense--be configured with identical cabin layouts and seat equipment/monuments, but you may also find significant equipment differences in avionics (e.g., dual weather radar or just one, Honeywell EFB retrofits or not, integrated standby display, different installed software suites), brakes (material, manufacturer, weight rating), cabin environmental/HVAC systems, and so on. These are either impossible to retrofit or simply cost prohibitive.

I've seen several cost/benefit analyses of subfleets, and the consensus as far as I know is that although subfleets can be costly, in the long run it is still worthwhile to operate the aircraft and deal with subfleet issues as they arise. Other airlines feel differently. AA was apparently so averse to subfleets that they returned their ex-TW 757s to the lessor even though it was well known at the time that DL was looking for ETOPS 757s and therefore, these aircraft would likely end up being used in direct competition against them. Would be interesting to know how they feel about that decision given the way competitive dynamics in the NYC market have evolved.


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

What are the tail numbers of Deltas TW757 fleet and what do you think the time frame is for their retirement?


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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 23):
What are the tail numbers of Deltas TW757 fleet and what do you think the time frame is for their retirement?

Given the fact that the ex TW 752's have to be some of, if not the youngest 752's in DL's fleet, I don't see them going for quite a while. Regarding the tail numbers, I'm not sure what they all are but they mostly are N7xxTW and I believe N704X is one of the oddball TW tail numbers.

FX1816


25 n7371f : The ex-NWA 757-5600 Interport's are flying LAX-Hawaii on most days. Not sure how many aircraft...maybe just one. But the last several times at LAX th
26 AA777223 : I wasn't quesioning why they have subfleets, but rather the differences between these and DLs others. I appreciate the info though. This is great, th
27 FlyAA757 : Yes, the interports are definitely doing LAX-Hawaii. I also flew N548US to OGG.
28 timf : N548US and N549US have been on Hawaii routes since this past spring. Correction: as of the December 17 schedule change, these repositioned back to NRT
29 n7371f : Still no winglets, correct?
30 timf : I don't know for sure. N548US and N549US are the only interport configured (20J) 757s that have winglets and ETOPS certification, which is why they w
31 deltal1011man : close the 75N,756,757,75U,75V and 75X will go to 28F the 75E and 75As will....... hold on on that one. the 75Js(the 20F birds) will stay as 75Js. So
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's what's keeping my interest the most. We all know what they are doing with the 77Es and 744s as well and the 763ERs...but I want to see what se
33 deltal1011man : time will tell, but i expect something for the 330s and 757s soon. (oh and i bet that 134 757s don't get 28F like they said they would. I bet a sub f
34 FlyAA757 : Can we please run through the definitions one more time? I can fill in some of the blanks but not all... 75N = Early delivery NWA 756 = Late delivery
35 michman : 75A = PMNW "Atlantic" 5600 series with 16J seats 75J = PMNW "Pacific Interport" 5600 series with 20F seats I believe most/all of these have winglets?
36 michman : You forgot the PMNW 75A birds with 16J seats.
37 n7371f : Standard issue Delta 757-200 with winglets. N702TW N703TW N704X N706TW N707TW N709TW N710TW N712TW N713TW N721TW N705TW N717TW N727TW N711ZX N718TW N
38 aviationbuff08 : 75U IIRC are the 757's that have winglets installed. This is a growing subfleet as DL tends to install the winglets while the aircraft is already in
39 burnsie28 : Except it can't find the tail numbers for 90% of the DAL fleet.
40 nwa757boy : So how exactly are they going to be upped to 28F seats? I think it's been discussed but I'm not sure. What is going to be removed? As it is, the FC c
41 FlyASAGuy2005 : The plan is to remove the small galley on the port side. Of course this is just "the word on the street". Haven't seen any memo stating how they will
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