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6'7" Man Stands On Spirit Flight  
User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 792 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20793 times:

This is sort of a variation on the overweight passenger being forced to buy 2 seats. Nowhere does it say what the guy paid for the seat on Spirit (not much, I would imagine). If people want only the cheapest fares, this is where things will head. Personally, I wouldn't fly Spirit given a choice, but they are reading the tea leaves and providing the price (if not the service) people are demanding.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/tall-pa...-airlines-flight/story?id=12499695

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20764 times:

I took a Spirit flight a few years ago, and I was not very happy about the seat pitch, either, but that's what you get with an ULCC. I couldn't even open my laptop enough to do anything with it, and had to resort to using the free tray table next to me, with the only usable option being to watch a movie at a wierd angle.

People complain about the apparent "lack" of seat pitch on RJs, but heck, they're heaven compared to Spirit.



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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20683 times:

I just HAD to comment on this!

99.9999999999999% of the time Pax can not fit into seats because they slouch on purpose trying to get themselves either an upgrade or moved to a XLEG (Extra Legroom seat) or they are just trying to exagerate a problem.

From years of flying for charter airlines that have the lowest seat pitch in the industry (28" pitch on my airlines 757's) You tell them to sit up straight and just like magic, their leg fits. I recently had a flight where a 5ft9" lady was trying to tell me she can not fit her legs into her seat when the seat pitch was a generous 33" she was shorter than myself and Younger


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20637 times:

This person of well above average height and was not properly accommodated by Spirit per our ADA laws as well as may have violated air safety laws. Perhaps this guy expected he would have got an exit or door row, but with Spirit and other such airlines, they tend to make them more expensive to make more money rather than make them primarily for those with special needs like this man. I do hope there is an investigation of what happened by the NTSB and if Spirit did violate the law, they are appropriately fined.

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20608 times:

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 2):
99.9999999999999% of the time Pax can not fit into seats because they slouch on purpose trying to get themselves either an upgrade or moved to a XLEG (Extra Legroom seat) or they are just trying to exagerate a problem.

That's not very fair! With this comment your saying nearly every passenger I see is faking it. Bit hard for them to do when I know what they put up with, being 6ft 3 myself. I sit up right, I don't slouch, and still I struggle when In some Y cabins. Had a horrid flight on EY because of the seat pitch.


User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20606 times:

Your headline is much better. No one was forced to stand; I know it's quibbling over one word, but the passenger even said he had thought about getting off the plane prior to departure and that he asked whether he could stand.

Doesn't Sprint offer a la carte pricing that allows passengers to pay more for exit row seating or more legroom? Unless he hit a growth spurt after he purchased the ticket (or I'm wrong about the pricing) his complaint won't lie. And the comment by his mom, about how this was the first time he had been treated like this ... I guess it sucks he couldn't stick his knees out into the aisle but if I were seated in the exit row, I wouldn't have switched seats with him either. He also said other people don't have to pay to reserve the exit row in advance ... I think they do or they are elite fliers.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20551 times:

Quoting Grid (Reply 5):
Doesn't Sprint offer a la carte pricing that allows passengers to pay more for exit row seating or more legroom?

There are only so many extra legroom seats and exit seats on plane. If an airline sells these seats, they will go very quickly.


User currently offlinecentralma From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 20175 times:

The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) does not apply to aircraft (aircraft are EXPLICITLY excluded).
In any case, the ADA says "Disability means, with respect to an individual, a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of such individual"

6'7" tall might be difficult to claim that major life activities are significantly limited, but that is an assumption on my part [I am only 6'3" tall.]


The Air Carrier Access Act rules, 14 CFR Part 382, applies to how air carriers (both US carriers and foreign carriers on flights to/from the US) must provide disabled access and service. FAA safety regulations overrule in any case of conflict.

The ACA rules have the same definition of disability as the ADA - substantial limitation of one or more major life activities.


(I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but I can do simple Google searches to find and read original source material)


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20146 times:

I'm surprised at the passenger's mom commenting "this is the first time he's been treated this way"......from the report, it doesn't seem as though he was treated wrongly in any way.....the FA did go around asking if anyone was willing to switch seats and it's not her fault if no one volunteered to help....I think the tall guy should have done some research in advance.....it's not like he discovered that he's so tall after boarding the flight!

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19952 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 8):
I think the tall guy should have done some research in advance.....it's not like he discovered that he's so tall after boarding the flight!

Thank you. The guy is 25 years old so he didn't just discover that he is 6' 7" tall, this is not the first time he has flown, and he had every capability of spending a few minutes while making the reservation to ask (if by phone) or look into (if online) what the legroom is for that airline. In a day and age where extra leg room comes at a premium, and people are paying for it (exit row or rows that are spaced just a little further apart), why should you expect people to give up their extra leg room seat that they paid extra for?

Do I feel a little sorry for the guy, sure, that's a long time to stand up, but hopefully he learns from his mistake and moves on making better airline booking decisions in the future.

~H81



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 8):
"this is the first time he's been treated this way"

It must be the first time he was treated this way because he usually has the foresight to pay more for an exit row or first-class seat. Or maybe she meant the first time someone in an exit row did not give up his seat.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6103 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19876 times:

I can see a safety problem in this story. And when you think some people are forced to move because they're potential pedophiles (ie, men), but nobody was forced to move here, isn't there a problem ?


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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19650 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 4):
That's not very fair! With this comment your saying nearly every passenger I see is faking it. Bit hard for them to do when I know what they put up with, being 6ft 3 myself. I sit up right, I don't slouch, and still I struggle when In some Y cabins. Had a horrid flight on EY because of the seat pitch.

Yep. I don't know what he's talking about. On Delta's economy class I have to remove everything from the seatback pocket in front of me to have a chance of fitting at 6'3". I can't open the tray table past about 45 degrees unless I bow my legs very uncomfortably sideways.


User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19531 times:

Basically, this guy didn't want to pay the fee to reserve a seat in advance or to reserve an exit row or "Big Front Seat" seat and just showed up at the airport during a very busy time of the year expecting to be given special treatment because he's tall. Apparently he, and his family, have been living under a rock the last few years and haven't heard about airlines selling (or reserving for their elite fliers) exit-row seats. Nor have they heard of Spirit's general reputation for offering bare-bones transportation, nor did they bother to look at Spirit's website to see what the seat pitch was - it's right there on the website - 31 inches on the A319 and A321 and a very cramped 28 inches on the A320.

I don't mean to sound flippant or dismissive, I'm sure the flight really sucked. But this guy is 25, and even if he grew to his final height fairly late in life he's been dealing with this for a while and should be used to checking into these matters.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
This person of well above average height and was not properly accommodated by Spirit per our ADA laws as well as may have violated air safety laws.

The ADA does not mention height as a covered disability, and while I'm not aware of any court rulings specifically mentioning height, the Federal courts have been very consistent in rulings stating obesity is not a "disability" under the ADA. Now obesity has a "voluntary"* component that height does not, but I've never heard of any law anywhere defining being very tall as a disability - if anything, studies have shown that up to a certain point, taller people have advantages in society.

As others have pointed out, air carriers are covered by DOT regulations that draw their authority from the Air Carrier Access Act, not the ADA - the ACAA's wording is very similar to the ADA's. The regulations are in 14 CFR Part 382.

Quoting Grid (Reply 5):
Doesn't Sprint offer a la carte pricing that allows passengers to pay more for exit row seating or more legroom?

Spirit offers the "Big Front Seat" - the A320s and A321s have four of them, the A319s have 10. These seats are wider and offer 5 inches of additional legroom (per Spirit's website).

Spirit also offers exit row seating for advance purchase - the website doesn't say how much additional pitch the exit row seats offer.

Funny thing is that on the A320, the five extra inches for the "BFS" would come out to only 33 inches, while JetBlue offers 34 inches standard and 38 for purchase.


* the quotation marks around "voluntary" are my way of saying "let's not have a debate on this in this thread, OK?"  


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5486 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18673 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 9):
why should you expect people to give up their extra leg room seat that they paid extra for?

That's the problem, airlines shouldn't charge more for the exit row. In the grand scheme of things you have a responsibility when taking that seat if an emergency were to occur. Nowadays the airlines just see them as premium economy seating. If they didn't charge more for those seats they probably would have been able to accommodate him easier.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 9):
this is not the first time he has flown, and he had every capability of spending a few minutes while making the reservation to ask (if by phone) or look into (if online) what the legroom is for that airline.

The general flying public isn't that smart. I think most people expect the same seat pitch in economy and don't give that a thought.

Had they hit turbulence and he got injured Spirit would have been in some hot water.


User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18640 times:

I'm 6'3" and have flown on many airlines from JMC at 28", Ryanair around the same, right up to Singapore at 34". I've not had a problem on any of them. My feet go under the seat in front, I have absolutely no problem to get comfortable (including with stuff in the seat pocket, and with the table down) on even the tightest of seats. On a bus I sometimes struggle but they are a lot tighter seats anyway.

I used to work with someone who was the same height, and constantly complained about how tight it was, and used this as ammunition to refuse to fly on LCCs, he would only fly on legacy carriers. This seems to be typical behaviour, people use their height to try and secure all number of benefits, exit rows, upgrades etc. You know what you are booking when you book, and it's not that tight.

Yes exit rows are nice, but definitely not essential at my height at least.

At 6'7" I admit it would be a bit tighter than I find it, and I would expect any decent airline to at least try to accommodate them in an exit row. However if this is not possible, then don't complain, you know what you're signing up to.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18542 times:

Quoting noelg (Reply 15):
I'm 6'3" and have flown on many airlines from JMC at 28", Ryanair around the same, right up to Singapore at 34". I've not had a problem on any of them.

You must have some weird legs then. I struggle in 31" seat pitch, I don't want to try anything less then that.


User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18453 times:

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 14):
That's the problem, airlines shouldn't charge more for the exit row. In the grand scheme of things you have a responsibility when taking that seat if an emergency were to occur. Nowadays the airlines just see them as premium economy seating. If they didn't charge more for those seats they probably would have been able to accommodate him easier.

As long as the regulations regarding exit row seats are followed (able to open the exit, understand instructions in English, etc.), why shouldn't the airlines treat these seats as "premium"...they are premium seats, after all.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6996 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18201 times:

Quoting Grid (Reply 5):
He also said other people don't have to pay to reserve the exit row in advance ... I think they do or they are elite fliers.

Exactly passengers sitting in the xit row or up front on NK paid extra for it. If I was sitting there I would not have switched either unless NK would give me some type of voucher. This guy knew he was tall he could have bought a big seat or exit row seat when he purchased his ticket most likley. He did not and he wanted special treatment!? Give me a break your 6'7 learn to use the net and research a little bit. Just because your tall does not mean you should get to sit in spots where for free where other people need to pay money for.

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 8):
think the tall guy should have done some research in advance.....it's not like he discovered that he's so tall after boarding the flight!

Excactly. I hate NK, I think they are the worst airline in the sky, but this was not their fault. 100% blame goes to the guy who choses to fly NK.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 5250 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18130 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 16):
You must have some weird legs then. I struggle in 31" seat pitch, I don't want to try anything less then that.

Remember that height does not directly dictate how long someone's legs are. Some people carry their height in the legs and some in their torso and chest. It just depends. For airplanes its those that are tall and carry their height in their legs that have the real problem.

Tugg



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18047 times:

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 14):
That's the problem, airlines shouldn't charge more for the exit row. In the grand scheme of things you have a responsibility when taking that seat if an emergency were to occur. Nowadays the airlines just see them as premium economy seating. If they didn't charge more for those seats they probably would have been able to accommodate him easier.



Why shouldn't they? It's clearly a more desirable seat and it's something to either extract marginal revenue or give as a reward to frequent fliers/full fare passengers. I really don't have any problem with them charging for this.

Again, I see this as an analog to the dilemma created by overweight passengers. In fairness to others who might be seated next to them, Southwest and others make them purchase an additional seat. As far as I'm concerned, Spirit would have been within their rights to have said to this guy that he didn't fit safely in their normal seat and he would either have to purchase a larger seat or deplane. All of us would like first class for $99 round trip, but that's not realistic or sustainable for the airlines. The Ala'carte pricing model is a tough adjustment for many, but it is a fairer way of doing business in many ways as people have to actually pay for what they consume and you don't have people whose fares vary by a factor of up to 10 receiving exactly the same service.

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 14):
Had they hit turbulence and he got injured Spirit would have been in some hot water.



I doubt it - he was standing while the seatbelt light was out and I'm sure the standard warnings were broadcast.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17933 times:

A tall coworker of mine took a spirit flight recently. When he told me about it i started laughing at him. he asked me why I was laughing. I told him he will see. He used the words "cruel" and "inhumane" to describe his flight when he got back!

User currently offlineCrossChecked From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17872 times:

I hate these stories.

Seldom are stories of this nature about a NEED to put someone into a larger seat, or one offering more space. More ofthen than not this is all about comfort. And let's be honest; we all would be more comfortable with more space.

So why should fat/obese people get more room just because they claim they need it or because they'd be more comfortable in it? Why should a tall person? I want a wider seat. I also want a seat with more leg room. I don't need it - despite being a tall, chunky fellow I can fit perfectly well in most longhaul Y seats - but I want it. And if I actually want to enjoy that luxury, there's no part of me that doesn't expect to have to pay for it.

If someone PHYSICALLY cannot fit in a seat, they shouldn't be allowed to travel until they have made alternative arrangements - be that buying a neighbouring seat or upgrading. But if someone CAN fit in the seat, albeit somewhat uncomfortably, NO special effort should be expected to make them comfortable - they, themselves, have every opportunity to do that themselves.



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User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17648 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if the airlines start asking specifically about each passengers weight and height before they are allowed to purchase a ticket online. Full disclosure about one's self would then be the blame of the passenger if they lied to get a cheaper fare/cheaper seat.

They could easily program the online site to not allow such passengers to purchase basic economy seats and have only premium or exit row seats available for purchase. In this case, our 6'7" passenger would not have been able to purchase the seat he got.


User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17144 times:

..all goes back to you get what you pay for. PERIOD.

Ever since the inception of LCC/ULCC´s the public finds that once you pay a nickle, you should get the world.

Those folks should do some research...... especially if I am 6'7" .....meaning just about anywhere, I am going to be
cramped and uncomfortable. Research it, get the info, and if it is too painful, drive, take a bus or just stay at home.         



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25 aa61hvy : As someone else said, you must have weird legs, as I am 6'3''/6'4'' and I struggle with most airlines' narrow bodies, I do okay on wide bodies with t
26 MidEx216 : Wait, wait, so let me get this straight... She said he couldn't stick his legs into the aisle...presumably for the sake of blocking the aisle.. But th
27 CrossChecked : Good point above about paying peanuts but wanting the world..... You know, for years and years - many decades - people harped on about discrimination.
28 etops1 : I remember we had a guy who was a basketball player on a flight from MAD-PHL on USAirways. He had to be 7ft tall easily. They gave him an aisle seat b
29 CrossChecked : Are you prepared to pay for it, or do you want it for free?
30 AFGMEL : I'm 6'4" and I hate being lumped into the category of whiners and moaners. There is absolutely nothing I can do about my height and long legs and I on
31 CrossChecked : Well I don't think it's fair that I don't get the extra space merely on account of mine. I'm quite sure you can fit into the seats. Seldom do people
32 TravellerPlus : In life, people incurr different expenses on account of their genes. They need to buy eye glasses, have trousers shortened, obtain food free from ale
33 UAL747 : One of my very best friends is a 6'7" pro volleyball player who is living/playing in Spain. He constantly will fly in coach, unless someone is paying
34 Post contains images chootie : This is what the public wanted, now let them have it!!!
35 Post contains images AFGMEL : I don't want to. There are already seats with extra legroom available and I don't see why those shouldn't be allocated tall people. At 6'4" I am hard
36 davescj : I have to question the safely. As others had said: what if there was turbulance? There would have been a great danger to him. And NK is 28" -- well be
37 Post contains images chootie : ...took a while as I am not up with it, but got the meanining.
38 StuckInCA : as others have pointed out... Maybe you are tall but with unusually short legs?
39 bluewhale18210 : I don't either. Remember every wheelchair costs the airline up to $50 each enplaning/deplaning and the rest of the passengers are paying for it.
40 exFATboy : Heh, the "Florida Miracle" - I've seen people being pushed in wheelchairs at boarding here in NYC, then pushed to baggage claim in TPA, MCO, or SRQ..
41 Post contains images fxramper : Don't be a cheap ass like the jolly green giant on Spirit and pay for extra leg room. Your going down this week homie.
42 Post contains images aa43e : You're right on the saftey issue in asmuch he should never have been allowed to stand. Hit turbulence and now he's trying to sue. I'd love to be able
43 jgw787 : I feel bad for him...but you should know what you are buying though...
44 CoachClass : I started to think that maybe a person this size at an emergency escape window might it self be a hazard. Being so large, how could he easily remove t
45 kanban : The last time I flew I was fortunate to have the center seat vacant.. so I moved to it/ lifted the armrest and endured the flight in only mild discomf
46 Post contains images BMI727 : I'm 6'5" and that means that usually when I'm sitting in a coach seat, my knees are firmly pressed against the seat in front of me. Usually I can't p
47 Post contains images aa61hvy : Well I don't think the exit row should be an extra fee, as I will be providing assistance if the plane does have an emergency, I don't work for free
48 beefstew25 : I am 6'8" and have flown Spirit for work to Nassau from FLL. Total train wreck. Southwest is the best in my opinion. I have no problems in any of thei
49 aa61hvy : Exactly, especially when the flight is relatively short.
50 Maverick623 : The ADA doesn't apply to airlines. Next.... LOL. If you went up to an NTSB agent and told him this, he would probably have a few four-letter words to
51 Dano1977 : Strewth, I'm 6ft 9inches tall... Even in the most generous of Economy/Cattle class seating it is a pain and uncomfortable... And believe me i know, th
52 ABQopsHP : All through this thread I have noticed people make statements about "checking the airlines website" or Seat Guru to see what kind of seat pitch is off
53 Post contains images Dazed767 : Said that earlier and completely agree. Like I said, had people not paid for those exit row seats someone may have been more inclined to move and hel
54 Quokka : Given the demand for lower fares it is not surprising that some carriers are squeezing in additional rows, reducing the seat pitch. However, this guy
55 Dano1977 : Hmmm ok, So if your average height, its Ok to have access to the cheapest airfares, but if you are outside of that category, then its basically someo
56 ABQopsHP : No what Im saying is take the initiative to do some research yourself. Before purchasing the ticket. Thats all. JD CRPXE
57 Maverick623 : It actually sounds like your asking airlines to change their entire business model to support your long legs. Just sayin...
58 spacecadet : Weird story all around. I'm 6'4"; not as tall as this guy but still tall enough that 28" of seat pitch would be unbearable. My solution: do not fly Sp
59 Maverick623 : Airlines should have no such obligation. That would fundamentally change their business model to cater to a relatively small segment of their busines
60 cf6ppe : After seeing all of the advise given the the 5ft.-19inch person, I would have to assume that those giving advise are about 5ft.-6inches give or take a
61 ltbewr : Thanks to everyone who corrected me as to that the ADA does not apply to commercial passenger airline service.I had forgotten that rule although ther
62 Elevated : If he was in his seat for take off and landing (cramped and uncomfortable--whatever) then what's the "safety" issue? The belt fit around his waste and
63 MHG : I think it all comes down to common sense - or the lack of it ... If someone is that tall he´s used to some "obstacles" due to his height. So, common
64 jimbobjoe : I've been really wrestling with this issue this morning. Very tall height has some characteristics in common with the very obese. Though I would say t
65 fca767 : GUY "Other guys paid extra" WELL! Why charge extra for exit seats anyway....a seat should be a seat...like the olden days...no nickel and dimin
66 Quokka : I suspect that airlines won't really care who pays for premium seating as long as those seats are sold. While many airlines advertise the option of p
67 CitrusCritter : Just a wee bit of hyperbole, no? I was on a Delta MD at Thanksgiving. I swear it had less legroom than an FL flight despite the alleged seat pitch. I
68 sevenfeet : I've been reading this thread with considerable personal interest. Some of comments have been insightful, funny, and often downright aggravating. Most
69 spacecadet : Yes, they should. As they should (and do) for people who are fat (buy two seats), for people with children, or for people in wheelchairs. Not everybo
70 Post contains images Tigerguy : What, nobody buys things on impulse anymore? Granted, seeing a sexy little item on the shelf and grabbing the first one you see is a bit different th
71 Quokka : Good post. No whinging. No complaints. No "it's everyone else's fault," but practical advice on what to do to make the unpleasant bearable (with a gr
72 kl911 : Nobody is forced to fly, forced to buy a ticket........... Dont like it, dont do it..... easy. I cant believe they blame the airline.
73 CrossChecked : And there lioes the real crux.... He obviously COULD fit in his seat. He may not have been particularly comfortable but, lets be honest, few people a
74 Santi319 : Exactly being an inflight crewmember for An airline with 28" seat pitch, everytime I was asked I go out of my way to ensure any tall passengers get a
75 CrossChecked : As an aside, if a person-of-size boarded my flight and it became clear he/she needed more space, I'd be inclined to move the smaller person next to th
76 sevenfeet : Wow, I'm glad I'm not on any of your flights. Seriously, your first suggestion is not to fly? You realize that the flying public is paying your salar
77 AFGMEL : Great post sevenfeet. You said it better than I could. As for the downright nasty people who think we shouldn't travel because we are tall, I hope Kar
78 Post contains images exFATboy : I'm going to play "devil's advocate" here for a moment - he got that seat by following Southwest's boarding policy. Should he have gotten on the plan
79 Post contains images jimbobjoe : Southwest wouldn't, because all seats on their aircraft are the same. But this special seating arrangement, where the seat in front of you is removed
80 Maverick623 : Once again, the NTSB does not investigate any of that. And pulling out the "anti-terror rules" card is a bit much, isn't it? Ah, I gotcha. I was unde
81 Post contains images sevenfeet : This is an interesting, if impractical idea. Since airline seats are installed in an entire bolted section, you couldn't just remove one. You probabl
82 BMI727 : No kidding. And none of the cars I've owned have had a telescoping steering wheel so either I reach all the way up with my hands or I can't move my f
83 packcheer : I read most of the posts, so if this has already been mentioned, I'm sorry, but I also wanted to comment as I run into this problem on a normal basis.
84 johnberg : I'm 6'6" and can fit in coach seats that are pitched at 31" or greater, but to all you posters who say tall people shouldn't fly or should have to pay
85 CrossChecked : I don't think anyone said that you shouldn't fly because you're tall. I - and others - have said that you shouldn't fly if you have serious concerns
86 jimbobjoe : I agree there are some issues to work out, but they are not impossible. You'd have a few seats in the aircraft which were attached independently to t
87 Geezer : This thread has really caused me to do some thinking..........first of all, I ALWAYS fly WN, because I'm on a pass; (I just have to worry about "seats
88 Grid : This really would have been news if it had been "6'7" man stands fully upright on a CR2".
89 BMI727 : The CRJ-200s aren't all that bad to stand up in for me actually. I can't stand fully straight up, but it's not unbearable. I always say that CRJs are
90 sevenfeet : Actually, you pretty much did say I shouldn't fly. My problem isn't a comfort problem. It's a "physically unable to sit down in the seat pitch of mos
91 BMI727 : No, but on mainline flights those seats are held back for Medallion pax. I think they are released 2 hours before departure (used to be 24). I think
92 aa61hvy : Amen, my fellow tall brother!
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