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How Is BA Doing On The Cancun Route?  
User currently offlineabibus From Mexico, joined Dec 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16500 times:

British Airways just strat in november there flights from gatwick to cancun with 777 how are they doing on this route? And will klm take over the flight from martinair from asterdam to cancun? Thanks for any info and happy new year.

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16332 times:

Judging by the upgrade in Frequency, positive comments from BA officials and the absolutely full load I saw coming in and going out last week....I would say at the very least OK.

I am sure the yields are not that great...looked like lots of All Inclusive BA Holidays kind of crowd at the gate. Having said that there also seemed to be some CZM dive crowd in the waiting area....that tends to be a bit better yielding. I also know of some BZE destined folks now using it as well.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25076 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

According to an internal newsletter vast majority of the flight is sold via package holidays, so as long as BA is asking for the right price upfront from tour-operators I'm sure it will do fine as most of the commercial risk is on them and not BA.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3549 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15797 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
I am sure the yields are not that great...looked like lots of All Inclusive BA Holidays kind of crowd at the gate

At least BA holidays clientele, tend to be a bit upmarket from some of those frequenting a number of other tour operators. Fewer sightings of premier league football shirts and shouts of "cut it out Shane or I'll take your nintendo away again"


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15699 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
At least BA holidays clientele, tend to be a bit upmarket from some of those frequenting a number of other tour operators. Fewer sightings of premier league football shirts and shouts of "cut it out Shane or I'll take your nintendo away again"

So basically, the flights are full of snobs?  



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15643 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 4):

I wouldn't dare to take a Thomas Cook/First Choice etc...package holiday short or long haul- not because I'm a snob, but I know these flights are normally full of children of all ages and larger family groups! But give BA or Kuoni any day! Don't care if it costs a bit more. It's a more relaxing experience overall- not as many children crying and playing around.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15224 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
At least BA holidays clientele, tend to be a bit upmarket from some of those frequenting a number of other tour operators.




Which tour operator gets the Daisy and Onslow holiday crowd?


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15193 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 6):
Which tour operator gets the Daisy and Onslow holiday crowd?

The likes of TOM and TCX. Monarch could also fit into that category bit they area little bit further up the ladder.


User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15102 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
Fewer sightings of premier league football shirts and shouts of "cut it out Shane or I'll take your nintendo away again"

LOL! So true...


User currently offlinemauriceb From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15031 times:

Quoting abibus (Thread starter):
And will klm take over the flight from martinair from asterdam to cancun? Thanks for any info and happy new year.

Not announced, but frequency to Mexico-city will go from 6x weekly to daily.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14830 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 8):
The likes of TOM and TCX. Monarch could also fit into that category bit they area little bit further up the ladder.

You could probably say TOM longhaul is more upmarket than BA, given the fact that you get an extra 2 inches of legroom in a TOM(ex FCA) 763 economy than you do in any BA (or VS for that matter) a/c  



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14629 times:

Yes but the pax surrounding you on a TOM flight would be enough to keep me away. They are truly a nightmare.

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14496 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 13):
Yes but the pax surrounding you on a TOM flight would be enough to keep me away. They are truly a nightmare.

What kind of pax is that? A common family going on a holiday that they've saved up ages for?



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

I agree, TOM/TCX pax are a right pain, ive known some pay for their holidays with their benefits, ive heard some say "This is rubbish everything is in Spanish" well, you are in Spain is what I said to them, the flight is full of screaming kids and chavs (for those not familiar with British slang, go on you tube and look up Little Britain Vicky Pollard). As someone else said, BA or Kuoni anyday!

User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

Good to hear the route is doing well. I hope 2011 will see more new long-haul leisure routes from LGW - so much potential to develop the route network, in the East as well as the West.

User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13019 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 10):
You could probably say TOM longhaul is more upmarket than BA, given the fact that you get an extra 2 inches of legroom in a TOM(ex FCA) 763 economy than you do in any BA (or VS for that matter) a/c

But you dont get a 6ft flat bed to quaff your champagne in on TOM 
Quoting gkirk (Reply 12):
What kind of pax is that?

You, of course   


BA Holidays sell some of the best resorts in the Riviera Maya as well as CUN so the yields are probably pretty good if people are travelling in Club World.



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 15):
But you dont get a 6ft flat bed to quaff your champagne in on TOM

But you do get to fly from your local airport  



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12434 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 16):
But you do get to fly from your local airport

Touche my friend, Touche



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

You get what you pay for. a few inches and a local departure would not sway me from a lie flat bed, exclusive lounges, unmatchable onboard service, airmiles, super on board IFE and a far better service when things go wrong, believe me ive tried them both long haul

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
so as long as BA is asking for the right price upfront from tour-operators I'm sure it will do fine as most of the commercial risk is on them and not BA.

Except IT doesn't quite wok that way!

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
At least BA holidays clientele, tend to be a bit upmarket from some of those frequenting a number of other tour operators.

Absolute and utter nonsense Bongodog.....don't be kidding yourself or anyone else, nor even think that BA wouldn't accept anyone!

Quoting santos (Reply 5):
not as many children crying and playing around.

And those children have every bit the same right to fly on any flight that you have.


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11070 times:

Quoting abibus (Thread starter):
British Airways just strat in november there flights from gatwick to cancun with 777 how are they doing on this route?

The route has been upgraded from 2x to 3x weekly for the summer, and this was announced before it had even begun.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
At least BA holidays clientele, tend to be a bit upmarket from some of those frequenting a number of other tour operators.

I noticed no difference in clientele between my BA and TOM flights to/from Egypt last year. But then I'm not a judgmental snob.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 7):
The likes of TOM and TCX. Monarch could also fit into that category bit they area little bit further up the ladder.

Complete rubbish.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10957 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 19):
And those children have every bit the same right to fly on any flight that you have.

Every right yes. Do they make a lot of noise? Yes. Are they disturbing me trapped at 30,000 ft for hours? Yes. Do some parents not give a toss and let them cause havoc? Yes.

These are the criteria. BA tend to have less chaos than say Virgin. To be honest, if I am choosing who to fly with, NOT having a school playground of kids is going to be a factor. In the real world...


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

Quoting mauriceb (Reply 9):
Not announced, but frequency to Mexico-city will go from 6x weekly to daily.

Sorry Maurice, I did not understand your post. KL is going to daily on AMS-MEX? I thought AMS-MEX was daily. Or is BA going LHR-MEX daily?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10788 times:

I have to agree with Skipness1E on this one, i know that children have the same right as any passenger, but a TOM/MON flights are a total diference experience.
And charter airlines still use those portable dvd's. Plus they have all those "extras" that a normal airline don't.

Quoting gkirk (Reply 12):
What kind of pax is that? A common family going on a holiday that they've saved up ages for?

I work hard and save hard every month so i can afford all my holidays and flights- and i still wouldn't fly a charter airline- even from my local airport

It's about choices- i think people in general know what they're getting when they sign up for a package holiday.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 6):

Which tour operator gets the Daisy and Onslow holiday crowd?

Best. Show. Ever.


25 planesarecool : Are they? I don't notice any difference. Funny, on the one BA Club World flight I've been lucky enough to take, I still had a screaming baby a row in
26 santos : Pure luck probably, or was a flight connecting to a cruise, as you mentioned elderly passengers, or try and travel half term, it's like a creche...
27 Bongodog1964 : Just stand at MCO early in the evening, and see if your thoughts stack up.
28 planesarecool : Then don't travel at half term. All flights out of the UK are going to have kids during the school holidays, not just charter flights. I went to Egyp
29 Post contains images skipness1E : Or he could erm....travel with BA and avoid the screaming weans. Not a gaurantee by any means but if you work on anything to with risk management, it
30 Post contains images eicvd : Its good to see the a.net snobbery is going strong in this thread . Yes everyone who flies TOM/TCX is a "Joe Scummer" from a council estate who paid f
31 HeeBeeGB : Not fair to imply all charter pax are on the dole etc but I can't believe anyone is seriously saying TOM et al are on a par with BA! and I say that as
32 planesarecool : Nobody is saying that, but you get kids on any airline. As I say, the one time I was lucky enough to travel in Club World I had a screaming baby in f
33 yellowtail : Although BA had tried CUN some years ago....they forgot how much CUN had grown and diversified. Much like LAS, BA is discovering that there is some s
34 yellowtail : I am sure it is pretty proper with the crews as well....
35 VV701 : The most 'atmospheric' flight I have travelled on was a scheduled TW LHR-LAX flight in the early 1980s. My fellow passengers included a touring rugby
36 lofty : I did try a charter flight once not a good experience and very happy to return to BA for my next holiday. For children it is about understand how to a
37 trintocan : Wow, who would have thought? After all the fun and banter on this site with A vs B wars, LHR bashing, FR bashing, U2 bashing (perhaps not so much of l
38 APYu : I think this thread is hilarious. Of course charter airlines have more of a holiday feel - they are part of holiday companies! To say BA have a better
39 LHRFlyer : Back to the subject of BA and LGW, I understand there has been a senior management appointment at BA with direct responsibility for LGW and hopefully
40 skipness1E : I didn't say this at all. planes are cool. Aircraft are cooler. The ability to follow, respect and understand someone elses reasoning, even when you d
41 Post contains images planesarecool : While BA have lost 57(L/R) and 58, they now have sole access to 53, 104 and 111. So they haven't got a reduced amount of gates in the North, but it c
42 lofty : Skipness1E I would like to know what is meant by the "It's the sort of thing they used to do to Midland at LHR all the time." As I used to be a T1 Sta
43 planesailing : They willingly relinquished those gates. I have to say, I do like boarding at 58, has a nice feel to it, but my god those damn doors are a pain! I ha
44 SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it has degenerated into an off-topic debate about the specific passenger stratum that makes use of the services of Monar
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