JAG10005 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21091 times:
Looking at the photos of aircraft stored at Victorville, does anyone know how many UA 744s are mothballed? I know that UA states that they have 24 744s in service, and the occasional battleship grey N194UA substituting for mechanicals, but how many other 744s can UA deploy into service, if any? In a recent Nov 25, 2010 shot of VCV, there are at least 3 744s in UA's white/tulip livery and one in battleship grey. Are there any UA insiders who can speak to the disposition on these birds...owned, leased, returned to lessor, sold, etc? I'm assuming the interiors haven't been upgraded to lie-flat?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27457 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20267 times:
Lets start at the beginning.
United ordered a total of 50 747-400s, however eventually only took delivery of 42 plus taking on 2 Northwest Airlines deliveries.
During the post 9/11 BK process, the carrier had 14 lease returns leaving a fleet of 30.
Following the fuel price run up in 2008, 6 (N187UA, 193, 194, 195, 196, 198) were parked. Subsequently 194 was brought back in 2010 to serve as an operational spare and primarily flew a SFO-ORD hop between hubs.
Of these 6-tails, all are company owned and are being remarketed for sale/lease. I believe UA has, or is close to having found a new home for at least one of the tails.
[Edited 2011-01-01 12:15:36]
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kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4483 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20188 times:
Quoting JAG10005 (Thread starter): Looking at the photos of aircraft stored at Victorville, does anyone know how many UA 744s are mothballed? I know that UA states that they have 24 744s in service, and the occasional battleship grey N194UA substituting for mechanicals, but how many other 744s can UA deploy into service, if any? In a recent Nov 25, 2010 shot of VCV, there are at least 3 744s in UA's white/tulip livery and one in battleship grey. Are there any UA insiders who can speak to the disposition on these birds...owned, leased, returned to lessor, sold, etc? I'm assuming the interiors haven't been upgraded to lie-flat?
Well, I saw two at SFO yesterday (one landed while I was waiting for UA-6747 to load at gate 78B and another was parked on a remote pad) . So at least two must be in service.
as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6303 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15703 times:
The 747's will start being repainted to the Globe Livery Feb '11. The process will be completed Dec '13 which will take a long time. So I don't know if the schedule is a misprint or they will take their time with the 747. All other a/c in the UAL fleet will be completed by Dec '12.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
It seems unlikely since fuel prices are rising, they are trying to maintain capacity discipline and the stored planes all have the old configuration. Most, if not all of the remaining planes are in need of heavy maintenance. On the other hand, 194 was supposed to go back into storage during the winter slow season but it is still out there, although it is presumably being used to cover widebody repainting. There is a small chance if traffic booms or if the 787 and A350 are so delayed that they have to retire some of the operating widebodies but I am sure they would prefer to wait for new aircraft than turn to old ones.
All other 744 are stored is VCV desert
26876 (939) 747-422 28/09/1992 N187UA Stored 10/2009 - Stored at VCV 01/2010
26890 (1085) 747-422 07/08/1996 N193UA Stored 08/2008 - Stored at VCV 01/2009
26899 (1113) 747-422 23/05/1997 N195UA Stored 11/2008 at VCV
28715 (1120) 747-422 30/06/1997 N196UA Stored at VCV 10/2008
28716 (1124) 747-422 20/08/1997 N198UA Stored at VCV 03/2009
In the UA 744 history, we can find
24363 (740) 747-422 21/08/1989 02/10/2006 N172UA To Blue Sky
24383 (811) 747-422 19/09/1990 02/10/2006 N176UA To Blue Sky
25379 (911) 747-422 20/04/1992 12/11/2006 N183UA To Corsair
25380 (913) 747-422 01/05/1992 21/04/2006 N184UA To Corsair
26474 (988) 747-451 25/07/1994 01/03/2007 N106UA To Blue Sky
26875 (931) 747-422 24/08/1992 01/04/2005 N186UA To Corsair
26877 (944) 747-422 04/12/1992 13/07/2005 N188UA To Corsair
26878 (966) 747-422 23/03/1993 10/08/2005 N189UA To Corsair
26879 (973) 747-422 22/04/1993 02/10/2006 N190UA To Blue Sky
26880 (984) 747-422 24/06/1993 31/05/2005 N191UA To Corsair
26881 (989) 747-422 02/08/1993 21/09/2010 N192UA To Phuket Airlines
26903 (1171) 747-422 28/08/1998 09/09/2003 N108UA To Dubai Air Wing
26906 (1185) 747-422 16/11/1998 01/05/2003 N109UA To Dubai Air Wing