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Piedmont Flight Causes Brief Evacuation Of Capitol  
User currently offlineflyerboyek From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

The Capitol and Capitol grounds are being evacuated after Capitol Police reported that unauthorized aircraft invaded unauthorized airspace Saturday afternoon.

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-latest/...ircraft-invades-airspace-6686.html

All clear now. Looks like this was was PDT4352 out of HXD: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/PDT4352

Anyone remember the last time a Part 121 flight caused the Capitol to be evacuated since 9/11?

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7164 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

Whoops. Looks like another couple of pilots are now unemployed.  

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Honestly, I don't remember. Wonder whether this was pilot or controller error?


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User currently offlineflyerboyek From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 2):
Honestly, I don't remember. Wonder whether this was pilot or controller error?

Can't find the full story, but this alert just came over the wire: WASHINGTON (AP) — FAA: Pilot error led DC-bound airliner to lose radio contact, prompting DC Capitol evacuation.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9405 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Whoops. Looks like another couple of pilots are now unemployed.

Doubtful, unless they have prior infractions. Sounds like they tuned to a wrong freq or something. They'll spend some time in the sim and probably ride with a check airman for a couple of legs.



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 4):
Doubtful, unless they have prior infractions.

And what if the captain does have a poor track record?


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

Further proof the bad guys won.

Enough paranoia in DC. Open up the airspace to reasonable use.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8292 times:
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Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Enough paranoia in DC

Remember the whole "you must remain seated for 30 minutes prior to takeoff and landing" when flying out of DCA bullcrap for the first few years after 9/11?

Which is it - HXD or HHH?

As a local to Hilton Head, I guess only the super wealthy or the super lazy use this airport--a handful of flights to CLT a day and one saturday departure to IAD is all that stands between it and being general aviation. Can't see why I'd pay a couple hundred more dollars to save a 30 minute drive to SAV.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 5):
And what if the captain does have a poor track record?

Piedmont has been excellent at weeding out the bad apples lately (and a few good ones). It could certainly have been pilot error, but those old Dash 8 radios are showing their age. The investigation will tell all.

Quoting n126dl (Reply 7):
Which is it - HXD or HHH?

HHH is the internal USAir identifier they used before the localizer was installed and the airport got an ICAO code. It still shows up as HHH in the Piedmont bid packages and maybe on the release as well. Been a while since I saw one and I don't remember.

Quoting n126dl (Reply 7):
As a local to Hilton Head, I guess only the super wealthy or the super lazy use this airport--a handful of flights to CLT a day and one saturday departure to IAD is all that stands between it and being general aviation. Can't see why I'd pay a couple hundred more dollars to save a 30 minute drive to SAV.

Lots of tourist traffic in and out, but there were several regulars as well. I wouldn't classify many as either of your adjectives from the brief conversations I had. I'll also say the Hilton Head staff was the absolute best in the system of the Dash cities.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 4):
Doubtful, unless they have prior infractions. Sounds like they tuned to a wrong freq or something. They'll spend some time in the sim and probably ride with a check airman for a couple of legs.

Most likely just some retraining. If it wasn't intentional, an ASAP report will keep them out of certificate action trouble.


User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 7):
As a local to Hilton Head, I guess only the super wealthy or the super lazy use this airport--a handful of flights to CLT a day and one saturday departure to IAD is all that stands between it and being general aviation. Can't see why I'd pay a couple hundred more dollars to save a 30 minute drive to SAV.

We fly out of HHH all the time, it is so simple, maybe 20 yds from check in to the "gate", and the price between NYC-SAV and NYC-CLT-HHH is very small. We have a house in port royal, so its maybe a 10 minute drive tops.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Switching to an incorrect frequency or misunderstanding the freq change instruction by the controller is really not uncommon, in fact it happens all the time, especially when the freq is quite busy as happens on approach frequencies near major airports. You go to an unmanned freq for a few seconds until you realize there's no one there and then switch back to get a proper freq.

I don't even see the reason for remedial training, just maybe a chat with the chief pilot where they'll be reminded to listen carefully to ATC, wait for readback and ask for clarification in case of doubt blah blah etc, etc...

The fact that it happened near DC and that it caused paranoia-induced panic is quite funny and revealing that the terrorists and, especially, the politicians who enjoy riding the fear wave did a remarkably good job.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 10):
I don't even see the reason for remedial training, just maybe a chat with the chief pilot where they'll be reminded to listen carefully to ATC, wait for readback and ask for clarification in case of doubt blah blah etc, etc...

Ideally, yes. This is Piedmont we're talking about though. I'm betting on retraining with a fed riding in the sim for the checkride.


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

I'm sure this will sound like a dumb question to all the "pro's" on here.............but when did Piedmont "come back", or is it just a "start-up" using the name ?

I almost fell over when I logged on to check my email this afternoon, and read about this "incident" involving "Piedmont";

BTW.......if this IS the same old "Piedmont" come back to life, is there any chance that any of the personnel from the "old days" are still there ?

I have a really "bizarre" Piedmont story from the old "Martin 404" days.............don't think I'd want to post it on a forum though!



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):

It's the old Henson Aviation / Airlines, whatever. Piedmont bought the company from Old Man Henson, and it went in the asset transaction to USAir. They renamed the company Piedmont to preserve the name, along with Allegheny (merged into PDT in '05) and renamed Jetstream, PSA to preserve that name.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

It was so interesting to read about a Piedmont DC-9 earlier today! Now they sheepishly admit a "congressional aide" mis-identified the aircraft type.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46937.html


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Further proof the bad guys won.

Enough paranoia in DC. Open up the airspace to reasonable use.

Well, any use would still mandate to maintain radio contact I'd guess.



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User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4428 times:
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Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 9):
he price between NYC-SAV and NYC-CLT-HHH is very small.

Hmmm, looking at a quick comparison, they do seem to be



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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 7):
As a local to Hilton Head, I guess only the super wealthy or the super lazy use this airport--a handful of flights to CLT a day and one saturday departure to IAD is all that stands between it and being general aviation. Can't see why I'd pay a couple hundred more dollars to save a 30 minute drive to SAV.

I am not super wealthy or lazy, but much prefer HHH over SAV. I hate the added drive that takes an hour plus from aircraft door to resort door, when HHH can get me from Aircraft door, to baggage claim, to rental car, to hotel in 15 minutes...

Makes sense to me. HHH is a marvelous little airport!



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 7):
Which is it - HXD or HHH?
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 8):
HHH is the internal USAir identifier they used before the localizer was installed and the airport got an ICAO code

HHH is the IATA code, KHXD is the ICAO code.

Much like how Sawyer Airport in Marquette, MI, is MQT for IATA and KSAW for ICAO.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

If the transponder was off this could have resulted in a collision.
Radio contact loss + transponder offline + bad luck is all it takes for a mid-air catastrophy.



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