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New ABQ Terminal And APM - Will It Ever Happen?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5612 times:

According to ABQ's master plan, there are long-term plans to build a new terminal connected to the existing terminal by an automated people mover system.

However, it seems that in recent years, many airlines (WN and DL being the main exceptions) have been pulling mainline service into ABQ and replacing them with RJs. Service to Mexico has been attempted twice and failed both times. For these reasons, I don't see what would be the point for building a new terminal, unless WN decides on a massive expansion out of ABQ.

Does anyone have their own thoughts?


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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2832 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5574 times:

Master Plan's are just that.... They are in place to be "what-if" plans. That way 60 years from now, if a new parallel runway, terminal building, etc. is needed. The space is available. They are to identify places where airport expansion and infrastructure can be built to handle future demand (even if out of our lifetime). That way short term construction (for example someone building a corporate hangar) doesn't hinder the ability to expand the airport way down the line.

OKC's master plan (because I am familiar with it) has land held back for an east concourse (9-10 gates -- to be built within the next 10 years actually), and room for a "south concourse." As well as plans for a 3rd parallel runway. The south concourse will probably never be needed in my lifetime, but the land is held back just in case. It may never get built, who knows. But the purpose of a master plan is to allow for long term planning and growth, without having to rearrange everything when the purpose is needed.

Master plans seem to always be misidentified as construction plans, which they are not. Just land and infrastructure planning for the "what-if."



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5565 times:

I think most airport have 'master plans' that involve all sorts of bells-and-whistles...very few will come to see the light of day. It is good to have the plan together, dont get me wrong, as the lead time and expense for fesability studies and environmental impact is considerable. Having been in ABQ not very long ago, I really can not see a pressing need for more space in the near future....lest they end up like ONT with brand new square footage that no one needs. The same can be said for 90% of the airside facilities in the US right now.

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
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SBN had a new concourse in it's master plan for several years to replace the two holding rooms and started on building it last year cause it was needed. Part of the beautiful new concourse has opened with 2 gates and the rest of it is being built and will open with 3 more gates by next fall. When finished all airside operations will be consolidated in the new wing and the old holding room A gates will be used for diversions etc.

User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

The ABQ terminal is no where near capacity. There are 13 "A" gates, with 7 to WN and the balance unassigned, but used when needed. WN alone is about 60% of our passenger count, using just 7 gates. The "B" wing has 10 gates shared by F9(1), DL(2), US(1), CO(1), AA(1) and UA(2) with two unassigned. I have noticed that once in a while, the airlines use the unassigned gates when their usual gate is unavailable for whatever reason. Don't know what the airport charges them (if at all) when this happens, but we rarely have a plane waiting for a gate if they have the ground staff to make it happen. The city is spending money on the airport. Completely remodeled/reconfigured security and it works. New "smoking" bar going in, two new restaurants and just completed adding two gates to the WN end. All in all, it's a pretty sweet terminal, with a world class southwest and indian art collection that no one ever slows down to look at.


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5417 times:
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I like the ABQ terminal the many times I've flown in there. There is also an airline plane collection in glass cases on the top floor. The two gates at the south end were former Northwest gates as everything that was once Northwest is consolidated with the new Delta. ABQ is a pretty cool airport that definitely has that Southwestern look to it.

User currently offlineLemmy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Quoting abq707 (Reply 4):
Completely remodeled/reconfigured security and it works.

Absolutely. The new security checkpoint is a huge improvement over the old one. Much appreciated.

Now if they could just replace the faux-western tacked leather chairs with something more comfortable. I'm all for local flavor, but those seats are kind of silly.



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User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Quoting Lemmy (Reply 6):
Now if they could just replace the faux-western tacked leather chairs with something more comfortable. I'm all for local flavor, but those seats are kind of silly.

Silly!?! They are hell, but they do serve a purpose...makes you appreciate being stuffed on an RJ with your knees up around your ears.



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User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5056 times:
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Funny, I remember when they started to build the existing terminal in the late 1980s. Living in Albuquerque from 1980-1988, I flew out of the original Adobe-style structure that was very antiquated, but had a lot of character. Even had a satellite terminal, with an underground connector, that lacked jetways and one walked outside to board their 737 or 727. Only the Southwest gates and a few gates serving Eastern, United, TWA, PSA/USAir and American, had jetways. During that time, TWA flew a daily L1011 or 767-200 service, arriving in the evening from St. Louis, and returning to STL in the morning at around 9 am. Then, Mesa Air was a small local airline that flew to locations in New Mexico using Beechcraft C99 and 1900 aircraft. Oh...those were the days.

User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 858 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

I worked there for 10 years, 96-06. What a pleasant airport to work in. The airport had control of the terminal wide announcements, this kept the amount of p/as down considerably. Made it a nice quiet enviroment to work in. Loved working there and miss it dearly.
JD CRPXE

PS The observation lounge upstairs above the gates, with piped in ATC, and the most comfortable couches I have ever sat in.!



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting TranStar (Reply 8):
Oh...those were the days.



Would be nice to see the old C gates back in service. As much as I would like to see ABQ grow, I agree it makes more sense to use the current infrastructure first.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Service to Mexico has been attempted twice and failed both times.



I think this had a lot to do with the choices in destinations. I had some friends take the Frontier flight to Mexico and they said it was packed pretty full. I think the economy hurt that route more than anything.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 10):
I think this had a lot to do with the choices in destinations. I had some friends take the Frontier flight to Mexico and they said it was packed pretty full. I think the economy hurt that route more than anything.

Well, I know the Aeromexico flights to CUU were less than half full. However, Chihuahua isn't really much of a touristy destination; I think the only reason the flight existed was because Sister Cities International considers Albuquerque and Chihuahua to be sister cities. Governor Bill Richardson and Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chavez simply wanted bragging rights for service to Mexico.

Now, if any airline were to start ABQ-CUN or ABQ-MEX, perhaps such flights would be more successful.



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User currently offlineabq707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):
Well, I know the Aeromexico flights to CUU were less than half full. However, Chihuahua isn't really much of a touristy destination;

And the state of New Mexico paid for every empty seat below a certain load factor. As stated...it is all about the destination. Loads of people visit Mexico from here via (CO) Houston and (US) PHX. I think we could support "some" Mexico service, maybe not daily, but timed for tourist jaunts.



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User currently offlineglbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting TranStar (Reply 8):
Funny, I remember when they started to build the existing terminal in the late 1980s. Living in Albuquerque from 1980-1988, I flew out of the original Adobe-style structure that was very antiquated, but had a lot of character. Even had a satellite terminal, with an underground connector, that lacked jetways and one walked outside to board their 737 or 727.

As did I. The underground hallway is still there - used for storage as i understand it. Access by means of a door behind the escalator. Not sure how far out it runs - maybe where the food court/observation area is now. The old building was much smaller of course. I still smile every time I walk through the ticketing level - that was the entire airport terminal! Never made it to the original adobe building to the west.


User currently offlineglbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
According to ABQ's master plan, there are long-term plans to build a new terminal connected to the existing terminal by an automated people mover system.

IIRC, building that terminal would require closing the 17/35 runway permanently, something the NIMBYs would celebrate and the aviation community would fight. The previous mayor caved into to pressure and had the runway "temporarily closed for maintenance" for a number of years. Not sure if that's still the case or not - Google shows it open and I didn't find any current NOTAMs stating it was still closed.


User currently offlineDL_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1979 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting TranStar (Reply 8):
Funny, I remember when they started to build the existing terminal in the late 1980s. Living in Albuquerque from 1980-1988, I flew out of the original Adobe-style structure that was very antiquated, but had a lot of character.

Did TWA board from gates adjacent to the main terminal? Bing maps show what looks like a terminal finger which has been demolished. I flew on a 707-131B from LAX-ABQ-STL around 1978. How times change.......



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Almost every airport authority has a copy of their master plan available via their website. I found this breakdown, from the COS airport authority, of how a master plan is developed to be quite interesting:

http://www.springsgov.com/AirportPage.aspx?PageID=2991

Here is the ABQ master plan:

http://www.cabq.gov/airport/sunport-information/sunport-master-plan


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 14):
IIRC, building that terminal would require closing the 17/35 runway permanently, something the NIMBYs would celebrate and the aviation community would fight.

17/35 is basically never used anymore.... I posted a few weeks back when BYU's charter for the New Mexico Bowl was parked out on the north end of the runway for several days (where else would you put an A330 for 5 days).

But from all that I have read the use of 17/35 doesn't provide any additional airfield capacity (actually reduces it) and wind/weather conditions rarely necessitate its use. 8/26 and 3/21 are plenty adequate for the current level of service.



I feel like the current terminal is still more than adequate for an airport seeing around 6mil pax a year. I find the place to be very passenger friendly and a breeze to use. Several things would need to happen before a new terminal would really be necessary. First a major sustained growth in passenger numbers would have to happen. Second there would need to be a strong economic turnaround nationally and locally. Third you'd need the entry of a few additional carriers into ABQ and/or an expansion by existing airlines. TBH I don't see much of this happening near term, but maybe enough of this happening in the next 5 years to justify doing certain prep work -- like the closure/removal of 17/35 and reworking of the roadways to the new terminal site (though I would be sad to lose the north viewing area).

The only other thing I could see happening is that if the current terminal is reaching the end of its serviceable life. If the place needs major systems upgrades, is really crowded not working well behind the scenes then building a new facility makes sense. And i would wonder if they would completely replace the existing terminal with a new one or start small with the new facility and add as needed.



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User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
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Quoting DL_mech (Reply 15):
Did TWA board from gates adjacent to the main terminal? Bing maps show what looks like a terminal finger which has been demolished. I flew on a 707-131B from LAX-ABQ-STL around 1978. How times change.......

When I lived there, from 1980-1988, TWA boarded from a series of gates that extended to the right of the main terminal building (if you are facing the main entrance). You went down a hallway and up an escalator, I believe. I think that TWA's Ambassador's Club was somewhere there, too. I think they were totally removed after the new terminal was installed.

I believe TWA had the only gate normally situated for widebody aircraft. (I flew out on both the 767-200 and the L-1011 a couple of times). I believe that the widebody morning departure continued to JFK with a stop in STL.

There were a series of like three or four jetway gates, with American, TWA, Eastern, and PSA (later USAir). However, I may be wrong about the number. Now that I think about it, I think United and Western had jetway gates too.

Southwest Airlines controlled a series of jetway gates that were located at the other end of the main terminal (to the left of the main building, if you faced the entrance). I believe that the waiting area was at ramp level, but you did board up through jetways to the aircraft. (I remember watching the ground crew load the aircraft.)

I know that at least Frontier, America West and Delta Airlines (when they started flying to ABQ) flew out of the little satellite terminal and used boarding stairs. Continental may have had its gates there too, but I am not sure.

Mesa Air and the other little local carriers took off from a central area in the main terminal.

If you watch the mid-1980s movie "Outrageous Fortunate," with Shelly Long and Bettle Midler, there is a long series of scenes when they arrive on an Eastern Airlines 727-200. In the movie, they deplance from airstairs at the satellite terminal, even though I know that Eastern had its own jetway gates near TWA. (I believe that a Frontier 737-200 is parked nearby.) They then run across the tarmac and escape from pursuers through the baggage handling system.

When they run across the tarmac, there is a viewtowards the main terminal. You can see a TWA 727-200 at gate, and then another shot where you can see some Southwest 737-200s. I believe there are a few Mesa Air C99s too.

There are shots of the baggage claim area and of the front of the main terminal. Interesting to see for nostalgia purposes. (The movie offers a few chuckles too). I remember when they filmed the movie there, Eastern AIrlines had signs at their gate about being featured in the movie. It was kinda a big deal in town at the time, as it was unusual for Hollywood to film in Albuquerque. (Now a number of films are produced there, as, I believe, the state offers a lot of incentives). Then, people outside the Southwest didn't know where New Mexico or Albuquerque was.

One question for people in the know, area there are remnants of the original terminal left? The big double space departure hall looks somewhat how I remembered from the old building, but it could just be a replica.

When we moved from Albuquerque, they were basically building the new terminal around the old terminal, and it was a big mess, with construction equipment and temporary structures everywhere. My last flight out was on a Continental 737-300, and we boarded through stairs after walking through some sort of temporary structure.


User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting TranStar (Reply 18):
When I lived there, from 1980-1988, TWA boarded from a series of gates that extended to the right of the main terminal building (if you are facing the main entrance). You went down a hallway and up an escalator, I believe. I think that TWA's Ambassador's Club was somewhere there, too. I think they were totally removed after the new terminal was installed.

Those were the old C gates. For a while you could still see where it said C1 and C@, but now I believe that area is just an office space.  
Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 14):
IIRC, building that terminal would require closing the 17/35 runway permanently, something the NIMBYs would celebrate and the aviation community would fight. The previous mayor caved into to pressure and had the runway "temporarily closed for maintenance" for a number of years. Not sure if that's still the case or not - Google shows it open and I didn't find any current NOTAMs stating it was still closed.

The only planes I really ever see 17/35 are the Caravan from New Mexico Airlines. Usually the tower/ground controller will just use it as an extra taxi-way when WN gets real busy. I have fond memories of taking off on that runway. My last one was on a DL 757 ABQ-TUS.

As far as expansions go, does anyone have the numbers for ABQ fo 2010?



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

The facility is more than adequate for its current situation and predictions for the near future. That hasn't always been the case. In the late 90s it seemed like the expansion in the Master Plan would be needed soon as nearly all the gates were spoken for. Mergers and airlines learning how to do more with less put an end to that.

Reno Air and TWA both saw their ops merged into the gates that American uses, though for a while after the TW merger, AA had three gates before giving one back. Northwest migrated to the Delta gates after their merger. I'm pretty sure DL gave one gate back several years ago as well. I seem to remember them having three gates back when they ran the ATL redeye and the late night departure to TUS. USAir left town when ABQ-PIT didn't work out, only to see the name come back after the America West merger.

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 19):
Quoting TranStar (Reply 18):
When I lived there, from 1980-1988, TWA boarded from a series of gates that extended to the right of the main terminal building (if you are facing the main entrance). You went down a hallway and up an escalator, I believe. I think that TWA's Ambassador's Club was somewhere there, too. I think they were totally removed after the new terminal was installed.

Those were the old C gates. For a while you could still see where it said C1 and C@, but now I believe that area is just an office space. Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 14):

Yes, that was the C concourse, and the gates were used well after the terminal expansion in the 80's. TWA's Ambassadors Club was along the right side as you walked down the hallway from the ticketing area to the concouse, and remained open even well after TWA had moved to the B Concourse. It only closed after the merger with American. The C concourse was condemed due to structural problems and that's why it was demolished in the early 2000s. On that far west end of the building past ticketing is just office space. The baggage level has more office space and the FIS that handles all international arrivals.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Service to Mexico has been attempted twice and failed both times.

ABQ-PVR had the misfortune of opening right into the peak of the oil spike. I wonder if it is being looked at again. ABQ-CUU was supposed to allow for greater business ties and draw VFR traffic since most of the cultural ties of New Mexico's hispanic population is to that region of Mexico. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough business and it turns out that a family that's lived in New Mexico for 200 years doesn't really have strong ties to their relatives in Mexico.
I'd really like to see AeroMexico or Volaris take a chance on ABQ-MEX. I think that's got some potential.

Quoting TranStar (Reply 18):
One question for people in the know, area there are remnants of the original terminal left? The big double space departure hall looks somewhat how I remembered from the old building, but it could just be a replica.

I'm pretty sure the main hall on the ticketing level is a remnant from the original terminal. Also, a quick shot of it can be seen in the film Silkwood. Quite easy to pick out as the shot is toward the ceiling and you can see the beautiful wooden beams with the carved and painted artwork on them.



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User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
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Oh, all this brings back memories. I remember how the baggage claim used to have a "fence" with a red handrail and the zuni symbol. You can see it in Outrangeous Fortune.

Does anyone know what the flight numbers were for TWA's daily widebody flight to/from STL back in the 1980s? I know they used both the TriStar and the 767-200, but not sure for what periods. In the 1980s, the other flights in the day were mostly 727-200s I believe.

Not sure if the widebody flights were because of market demand or for some other reason. I think a lot of Sandia Labs staff flew out on TWA when they went East to DC and other destinations.

I remember driving up to the airport in the morning with my family and seeing the TWA widebody tail sticking up over the terminal.

I believe the new terminal has an arrival and departure level for dropping off/picking up passengers. Was that the case with the old terminal? I just can't remember. I was in elementary and middle school during that period and my memory is hazy.

When I was a kid, I used to have a blueprint of the old terminal, back when I tried to make a wooden model of the airport. Wished I had kept it.

[Edited 2011-01-04 12:16:21]

User currently offlineglbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 17):
But from all that I have read the use of 17/35 doesn't provide any additional airfield capacity (actually reduces it) and wind/weather conditions rarely necessitate its use. 8/26 and 3/21 are plenty adequate for the current level of service.

Yep - that's what's stated in the master plan. However, that plan was written in 2002 during the height of the fight to close 17/35 when the mayor at the time wasn't willing to take on the residents who live north of the airport. It would be helpful to have a slightly less biased view of the study looked at again. It doesn't have to be a primary runway, but when the winds kick up and you are in a smaller GA or Bus Jet, not dealing with any more crosswind than necessary is a good thing.


User currently offlineglbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting TranStar (Reply 18):
One question for people in the know, area there are remnants of the original terminal left? The big double space departure hall looks somewhat how I remembered from the old building, but it could just be a replica.

That open high ceiling area in the center of the ticketing level before you reach the escalators to the gate level is the original departure lounge. Used to be filled with wooden pew seating. The commuter ticket desks at the back of that area used to be doors that led to the ramp. No jetways there as I recall - you had to use airstairs to board. The only jetways I recall were over on the concourse C as others have mentioned.


User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
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What happened to the former Southwest Airlines departure gates? At least in the final decade of operations in the old termianl, they had jetways. Was that area demolished or was it converted to other uses like the C Concourse?

As for the C Concourse, I remember that you went upstairs to a wait area that had at least one jetway gate leading directly from it. There was then a corridor leading off of that area that included at least a couple of gates. Is my memory correct?

What I mainly remember about the old terminal was that the check-in area was very dark and dingy, with very little natural light. Even that big hall area seemed darker, perhaps because of the paint job. It appears much brigher under the renovated/expanded terminal.

My memory of the old terminal also was that all buildings were painted a dark brown, in contrast to the new terminal, which appears to be a more pink-like color.


25 glbltrvlr : Matches mine. As someone else mentioned, they tore down the C gate corridor a few years ago. The upstairs departure area where gates C1 and C2 were i
26 Post contains links glbltrvlr : Well, looks like that isn't going to happen. According to the city, they are in the middle of an environmental review to close the runway. Key quote
27 Post contains links glbltrvlr : As is mine, but I don't think the double deck arrangement was implemented until they did the massive remodel in the early 90s. There are some good pe
28 LAXintl : In my view, I see can ABQ traffic declining more in coming years. Once Wright Amendment expires in 2014, I can foresee Southwest Airlines culling flig
29 Post contains links glbltrvlr : Sorry - extra period in the link makes it go to the top level page and I can't edit it for some reason. The working link is http://www.blogsouthwest.
30 PennStation : Circa 1984: TW94 ABQ-STL-JFK; TW105 LGA-STL-ABQ; B762 -- at least that's my best recollection without referring to any document. At one time in the l
31 TranStar : That sounds right. I used to have stash of old boarding cards from my childhood, but it got thrown away. But 94 sounds familiar. I bet my Dad would k
32 Post contains links and images DL_mech : TWA flew some big equipment into some small cities. View Large View MediumPhoto © Ellis M. Chernoff
33 TranStar : From the video, it appears there were three, not two gates, on the C Concourse. That seems right to me, from what I remember. I guess airlines shared
34 TranStar : I always loved how TWA in the 1980s always highlighted flights operated by widebody aircarft (767, L1011, or 747). I'm not sure whether that practice
35 eclipseflight7 : No one is particularly interested in 17/35. C130's use the runway for night training, but the runway is unmaintained and is degrading into a loose gr
36 XT6Wagon : It was also forced there by being the only city they flew into in the area to connect the web of flights from east and west. Now that Denver is up an
37 Alias1024 : I started a thread about this a couple months ago and nobody seemed interested in discussing it. On the one hand it seems likely that WN will send le
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