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Lufthansa To Add 4,000 New Jobs  
User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

As reported by several news agencies LH plans to add some 4,000 new jobs in Germany.
More than 2,200 new positions will be for flight attendants.

Any guess into how many more planes/flights/seats this would translate into?

http://presse.lufthansa.com/de/meldu.../2011/january/03/article/1847.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ansa-to-add-4-000-german-jobs.html

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User currently offlineCassi From Hungary, joined Apr 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11026 times:

2,200 flight attendants would be enough for 100 A388 flights, so this decision reflects a very impressive growth outlook. But the demand is there, and just for the 20 new 747-8I's they need to hire 600+ new crew members.

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Good times for me I guess, I'm in the middle of LH's recruitment program for cockpit crews (first stage passed, second coming up). If I would have done this right after high school, in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, I'm sure it would have been the worst time to be in the assessment. They probably let 0% of applicants pass back then, right now it's about 40% where I'm standing (after passing the first stage), or 4% before entering the process.

Soren   



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Quoting Robffm2 (Thread starter):
Any guess into how many more planes/flights/seats this would translate into?

You have to take into consideration turnover as well. I noticed that LH tends to have some of the youngest cabin crew around which leads me to believe that they don't stay on the job for a very long time.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

I believe that QF have 22 cabin crew on an A380. Assuming each cabin crew member works an average of 40 hours per week across a year with that time including 2 hours on the ground for each flight and also assuming that the average aircraft utilisation is around 15 hours a day or 105 hours a week, then one A380 will require a pool of 66 cabin crew to keep it operating provided that lay-over time at the end of an outward bound flight is not counted in the 40 hours average weekly working time.

With the above assumptions 2,200 cabin crew would be sufficient to keep 33 A380s flying

Although the above assumptions are bound to be wrong an alternative approximate figure can be obtained by simple arithmetic. For example if aircraft utilisation averages 16 and not 15 hours a day simply decrease the figure of 33 by one fifteenth to give 31 A380s. Or if the cabin crew work an average of 35 hours each week instead of 40 then decrease the number of 380s by five fortieths (or one eighth) to 29.


User currently offlineqantasguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

VV701...
Simple arithmetic? You lost me at "Although....."   Haha. No, seriously, pretty fun numbers you have figured out there.



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User currently offlineLHPII From Croatia, joined May 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Quoting Cassi (Reply 1):

.....just wonder how you came to your calculation. Currently LH's B744's cabin crew complement is 15, so let's assume B748i's will have 17. Usually you need at least 5 full crews per aircraft, so to staff all 20 B748i's you would ned at least 1700 people, not 600 as you claim.


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7632 times:
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I would have thought a major factor in the cabin crew recruitment would be the reconfiguration of the Euro fleet... with the more dense configurations it's possible that more crew per flight will be required, particulartly on the A320/321. Lufthansa doesn't run on legal minimum crews, but as a full service airline, normally crews well in excess of the leagal minimum are needed to complete the service - especially on shorter sectors.

Configuration changes;
A319 will go from 132 to 138 seats
A320 will go from 156 to 168 seats
A321 will go from 190 to 200 seats
B737-500 will go from 111 to 120 seats
B737-300 will go from 127 to 140 seats

Over 181 aircraft, that would possibly require a lot of additional cabin crew without adding a single aircraft!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Do these aircraft types have enough crew jumpseats already or would crew occupy some of these extra seats?

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 7):
Configuration changes;
A319 will go from 132 to 138 seats
A320 will go from 156 to 168 seats
A321 will go from 190 to 200 seats
B737-500 will go from 111 to 120 seats
B737-300 will go from 127 to 140 seats

OUCH! Adding another row (A319) or two rows (A320 and others)... there goes seat pitch! OK, even with newly designed slimline seating, that's going to be a tighter squeeze. In this respect, LH seems to be heading the way of Ryannair...


User currently offlinepascal7z From Germany, joined Oct 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 8):

OUCH! Adding another row (A319) or two rows (A320 and others)... there goes seat pitch! OK, even with newly designed slimline seating, that's going to be a tighter squeeze. In this respect, LH seems to be heading the way of Ryannair...

In fact the seat pitch won't change. They are installing new seats where the back is only about 1 inch thick at knee level in comparison to the 3 inches of today's seat. The tray and pocket move up. Also the forward wardrobes will disappear as as the middle galley on A321.



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User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting pascal7z (Reply 9):
n fact the seat pitch won't change.

That's great to know! Thanks for that info.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

It might be semantics but actually seat pitch can be reduced while "living space" can be increased.

In an earlier thread (which I'm unable to relocate) this has been discussed at length.

Please find below an illustration by Lufthansa (hosted on aero.de)

http://www.aero.de/content/pics/p_1512.jpg


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 8):
In this respect, LH seems to be heading the way of Ryannair...

With the improvements of seats shown above and the announced service improvements LH only aims for better service at lower prices - attacking Ryanair by quality and price. Stock market reacts very positive on the announcement of 4000 new jobs - that is what I call a good start for a new CEO.


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