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Bi-national Terminal At TIJ  
User currently offlinemnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

Whats the latest on the proposed Bi-national terminal at TIJ? Last I heard is that the State Department has signed off on it and that the developers have the green light to negotiate with Borders and Customs.

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
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Excuse me for being ignorant, what is the purpose of the Bi-national terminal at TIJ? Will this give the folks near San Diego another option when it comes to traveling south of the border? How will customs be handled here? I've heard about some sort of bridge-crossing near TIJ for this reason.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Latest is not much.

Billionaire Sam Zell’s is still working on brewing up more local political interest in the border crossing complex.

Last I hear was the government wanted to combine the project with a proposed new highway connection in the Otay-Mesa area.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):

The border facility will be an elevated pedestrian bridge that directly connects a new USCBP facility in Southern San Diego County to the Tijuana Airport (TIJ) terminal to provide fast, safe and secure egress across the border for Tijuana airline-ticketed passengers

You can read more about it here, including proposed renderings
San Diego-Tijuana Airport Ped Bridge Proposed (by LAXintl Aug 1 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

There have been 2 more articles since August. For those interested, here are the links to the latest on the project:

http://web.signonsandiego.com/news/2...-border-airport-terminal-advances/

http://web.signonsandiego.com/news/2...rder-airport-plan-rose-from-ashes/

The latter article includes the following statement:

Quote:
"Backers of the project expect construction to begin next year with the facility operational by late 2012 or early 2013."

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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

I have been hearing about this project for a while now....back in the early 90's it was a huge proposal for a "bi-national" airport that did not go anywhere.

I'll believe it when I see it......



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

I think it's an excellent idea. That way, if you want an inexpensive fare on any Mexican LCC out of TIJ, you won't have to take a bus there. Just drive up, park, and you're on your way. Plus I can choose AM's NRT/PVG flights as an alternative to driving all the way to LAX.


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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

So if I understand correctly, the new facility on the US side will make it easier for US-origin/destination passengers to use TIJ for flights within Mexico and to other countries such as Canada. This facility could be attractive for WS and AC, by-passing SAN and the US Immigration fees charged to incoming travelers since passengers will be entering the US by land instead of by air.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

I wonder if there will be preclearance for US bound flights should they become a reality? I read somewhere that SAN will max out sometime mid/end of the decade.


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User currently offlineFoxThree From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

I personally think this is a lousy idea. The citizens and government of San Diego need to buck-up and build a real international airport, rather than looking to Mexico to solve their problems for them!

User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
I wonder if there will be preclearance for US bound flights should they become a reality? I read somewhere that SAN will max out sometime mid/end of the decade.

Flights from TIJ to the US have generally not done good previously to any destination from any airline, people from TIJ are used to driving to SAN to take a flight anywhere in the US or connect to the rest of the world; so pre-clearance is not necessary.

Quoting FoxThree (Reply 8):
I personally think this is a lousy idea. The citizens and government of San Diego need to buck-up and build a real international airport, rather than looking to Mexico to solve their problems for them!


I agree, SAN will need to be expanded, replaced or moved to a new location soon as it is nearing capacity....NIMBY's and political will are the main problems.

If built, this bridge will both benefit the local SoCal traveler by offering more options, and will also make SAN less attractive for Mexican airlines; why operate both at TIJ and SAN when with this bridge you eliminate most of the time wasted crossing the border.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 5):
I think it's an excellent idea. That way, if you want an inexpensive fare on any Mexican LCC out of TIJ, you won't have to take a bus there. Just drive up, park, and you're on your way.

I think that is the main idea



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User currently onlinereality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 5):
if you want an inexpensive fare on any Mexican LCC out of TIJ,

According to one of the articles, there will be a fee charged (by the private operators who are building the terminal) to cross the bridge into Mexico. Depending upon how much that fee is (US$10?, $25?, or more?), it may or may not be cheaper to fly from TIJ. You may have to pay that crossing fee again when you return to the US?

"In the unlikely event that air passenger traffic doesn’t increase, Rose said the group’s $78 million investment is secure based on projected toll collections........" “People will arrive, park, pick up their boarding passes and proceed to a checkpoint where a crossing fee will be collected. http://web.signonsandiego.com/news/2...rder-airport-plan-rose-from-ashes/

[Edited 2011-01-04 08:46:09]

User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4437 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 5):
Plus I can choose AM's NRT/PVG flights as an alternative to driving all the way to LAX.


Yeah, but those flights may go away if the 787 can make it from MEX to Asia nonstop. Which is why the the TIJ-NRT
flight is one way and returns to MEX nonstop.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting FoxThree (Reply 8):
I personally think this is a lousy idea. The citizens and government of San Diego need to buck-up and build a real international airport, rather than looking to Mexico to solve their problems for them!

From a purely economic point of view, having one major airport effectively servicing both metro areas would be a more effective proposition. Building the bridge from TIJ to the U.S. and the facilities on the U.S. side of the border, and upgrading the TIJ terminal would cost less money than building a replacement for SAN.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Quoting Marcus (Reply 9):
If built, this bridge will both benefit the local SoCal traveler by offering more options, and will also make SAN less attractive for Mexican airlines; why operate both at TIJ and SAN when with this bridge you eliminate most of the time wasted crossing the border


I don't think SAN could be any less attractive to Mexican cx than it is right now! Last time I checked, SAN has 0 Mexican cx; currently AS offers daily SJD and PVR flights and that is it for scheduled air service between Lindbergh Field and Mexico. So yes, you are right -- your point is already supported by the current situation.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
From a purely economic point of view, having one major airport effectively servicing both metro areas would be a more effective proposition. Building the bridge from TIJ to the U.S. and the facilities on the U.S. side of the border, and upgrading the TIJ terminal would cost less money than building a replacement for SAN.


Yes Eddie, in theory you are correct. San Diego and Tijuana combined is a very large catchment area. But I don't expect we will ever see Rodriguez become THE airport for the entire region. (When the current expansion project at SAN is complete, there will be about 55 gates there. That replacement would require quite an upgrade at TIJ!)

And of course the 15-16 M yearly pax that use Lindbergh for domestic flights would not accept the idea of those flights becoming trans-border (international) flights all of a sudden. (And the airlines wouldn't care for the idea either!)

IF this project ever actually happens -- and I have strong doubts that it will -- we could see the end of Mexico-bound flights from SAN. But as long as AS (and anyone else that might start new trans-border service from SAN) finds profitability through those pax who do NOT wish to deal with crossing the border to fly from TIJ -- and I believe there are many travelers who feel that way -- I think things will remain pretty much the way they are right now.

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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 6):
So if I understand correctly, the new facility on the US side will make it easier for US-origin/destination passengers to use TIJ for flights within Mexico and to other countries such as Canada.

Realistically, how much traffic would that generate? Is such a relief solution for SAN likely to reduce demand at SAN and a new San Diego airport? I think not. IMO.

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 6):
This facility could be attractive for WS and AC, by-passing SAN and the US Immigration fees charged to incoming travelers since passengers will be entering the US by land instead of by air.

WS and AC seem to be happy at SAN. Between them they have only 3 daily SAN flights -- which is nothing in terms of traffic to SAN.

On a broader scale.....given the increased levels of crime in Tijuana and the strong influence of organized criminal cartels in Tijuana...should the US be even looking at building infrastructure links with Mexican border cities? I would suggest "NO" until Mexico gets its crime and drug cartel issues under control.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Yes Eddie, in theory you are correct. San Diego and Tijuana combined is a very large catchment area. But I don't expect we will ever see Rodriguez become THE airport for the entire region. (When the current expansion project at SAN is complete, there will be about 55 gates there. That replacement would require quite an upgrade at TIJ!)

You are right; I was unaware of SAN's large scale ongoing upgrade, and that certainly changes things. Do you think that even with SAN's upgrades, could an upgraded TIJ with a cross-border bridge and facilities on the U.S. side of the border become the international airport for the region (with domestic flights to Mexico, the AM flights to Asia and some flights by Mexican and U.S. carriers alike to cities in the U.S. that warrant nonstop flights)? In that event, SAN could remain as a purely domestic airport. Airlines would then focus their SAN operations on cities that have strong O&D demand and that would not rely on connecting passengers from/to Mexico to be profitable). What do you think?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
Do you think that even with SAN's upgrades, could an upgraded TIJ with a cross-border bridge and facilities on the U.S. side of the border become the international airport for the region (with domestic flights to Mexico, the AM flights to Asia and some flights by Mexican and U.S. carriers alike to cities in the U.S. that warrant nonstop flights)? In that event, SAN could remain as a purely domestic airport. Airlines would then focus their SAN operations on cities that have strong O&D demand and that would not rely on connecting passengers from/to Mexico to be profitable). What do you think?


This idea has been discussed for years and I really don't think it will ever happen.

Let's look at the upcoming return of BA's Speedbird nonstop T7 from SAN to Heathrow starting June 1. Your idea is that that service would move to Rodriguez, right? Sure there may be a few Mexican travellers who would use the flight to London but certainly the majority of the pax on that flight will come from north of the border. So you're suggesting that all those people would have to cross the border and essentially fly between Mexico and England. I have no idea what sort of travel documentation would be required, or how British customs and immigration would work for such a flight.

And the return flights, operating from England to Tijuana, full of British and American travelers, would be handled how? U.S. Customs and Immigration would somehow work the flight (in Mexico?) Along side Mexican Immigration? Would arriving pax be subject to American or Mexican customs and immigration laws? More realistically, arriving pax would have to clear Mexican Customs and Immigration at Rodriquez, walk cross the bridge into the U.S. where they would then have to pass through U.S. Customs and Immigration. See what I mean?

One other point that needs to be mentioned is that one of these days, we will (probably) see the 787 enter intercontinental service. That moment will mark the opening of almost any long-haul route desired by those running SAN, be it Europe, Asia, South America, or the South Pacific. All of a sudden, Lindbergh's runway and terrain can handle any and all flights of an international nature. Even less reason to look beyond Lindbergh for San Diego's air travel needs.

bb


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

There a couple of airports where international passengers when they disembark choose to which national immigration and customs proceed. Basle MLH http://www.euroairport.com/ is such an airport.
Could such a set up work in TIJ? Interntional passengers arriving in this TIJ bi-national terminal choose to go to either the U.S. side FIS (for San Diego) or the Mexican immigration/customs. Departing passengers from U.S: side check-in on the U.S. terminal side proceed to the sterile area, those from Mexico check-in on the Mexican check-in desk go thru passport control to the shared sterile area.

Another set up might be to bus those passengers (and their bagagge) arrving international flights in TIJ from an sterile gate area to the TIJ U.S. FIS terminal without going thru Mexican Immigration/customs formalities and allow check-in for those international TIJ flights in check-in counters on the U.S: side where passengers would walk to the Mexican side and board the buses to that sterile gate area without ever going thru Mexican immigration/customs.
BA (as an example) could fly to BA and have check-in counters and baggage clam on both TIJ terminals (the original Mexican and the one on the U.S. side).



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3879 times:

i think GVA also shares between French and Swiss sides ?

User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

I don't think we should be reading too much into this and seeing this as any sort of SAN replacement or security risk. The thing is just a bridge to make crossing into the airport less of a hassle. There's already 2 border crossings that are bursting at the seams (despite the lowsy economy and crime concerns) and any additional border crossing infrastructure is appreciated and well needed.

It's clearly not meant to siphon off any traffic away from SAN but it should boost traffic numbers at TIJ since many of it's users already come from California because of better fares and the large number of nonstop Mexican destinations served. With a bridge to make getting there easier, it really will be the best option for someone from San Diego wanting to fly to places like Oaxaca, Guanajuato or Puerto Vallarta.


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