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Qatar Airways To Upgrade DOH - BCN To A330  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

According to the GDS, effective IATA summer 2011

1) DOH - BCN will upgrade from daily A319 to daily A332.

2) DOH - CPH will upgrade from 6 weekly A330 to daily A330.

[Edited 2011-01-03 10:19:08]


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User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Great news! Qatar is really cementing its position in Europe. I think BCN will get some odd services in May. I think QR should really consider adding AMS, DUS, and OSL.


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

QR have requested slot to open a 3rd Italian destination (QR 990/991 with A319LR), namely Florence.

The curious thing is that the runway at FLR is just 1,7 km long.


User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
I think QR should really consider adding AMS, DUS, and OSL

And hopefully PRG, too. I would always pick QR over EK.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10133 times:
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Curiosity,

What are QR's bilateral rights to Spain?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
I think QR should really consider adding AMS, DUS, and OSL.

I would expect all three to do well for them.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Great news! Qatar is really cementing its position in Europe. I think BCN will get some odd services in May. I think QR should really consider adding AMS, DUS, and OSL.

Hi QatarA340

OSL and Qatar have been I talks for a long time.
Unfortunately the 319LR does not have the range to support a direct service to OSL. ARN was on the edge of what the 319LR could do, when the ARN-DOH service was launched back in 2007.

The main issue is to convince Qatar to launch DOH-OSL with a 330-200/300. Almost all of Qatar’s “thinner” services to Europe have been launched with an A320 family aircraft. A service to OSL, must however be with a larger aircraft with at least 4 weekly frequencies in order to attract the upper yield market. Another option is to serve OSL via another European destination.

The market is definitely large enough to hold a daily 330-200/300.
Route relations clearly defines that both Emirates/Etihad/Qatar can support 7-11 weekly departures from OSL based on 100% load and just 15-20% of the total market to Asia and Africa (destinations served by the latter Arabic airlines).

I’m very confident that the first gulf carrier to open a service to OSL, will be very successful!


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

http://www.ameinfo.com/252909.html

From four-flights-a-week at the time of launch using narrow body Airbus A319 aircraft, the route has been upgraded in recent months with additional frequency and the much bigger A330.

The Doha - Barcelona route, launched only in June last year, is currently operated with a narrow-body Airbus A319 aircraft. The introduction of an A330, will more than double seat capacity on each of the daily Barcelona flights.



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User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
From four-flights-a-week at the time of launch using narrow body Airbus A319 aircraft, the route has been upgraded in recent months with additional frequency and the much bigger A330.

The Doha - Barcelona route, launched only in June last year, is currently operated with a narrow-body Airbus A319 aircraft. The introduction of an A330, will more than double seat capacity on each of the daily Barcelona flights.

Since MAD and NRT recently were upgraded to 77W, there are more free A330's. I would assume they have enough A330's for at least 3 more long haul destinations. (with BCN, BRU to get A330's soon, there is room for some more destinations).



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9780 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 5):
Unfortunately the 319LR does not have the range to support a direct service to OSL. ARN was on the edge of what the 319LR could do, when the ARN-DOH service was launched back in 2007.

Are you sure? The reason I ask is

DOH - ARN :: 2870 miles
DOH - BCN :: 3024 miles
DOH - OSL :: 3081 miles

While there are other deciding factors as well, I thought I'd ask whether you are absolutely sure that OSL can't be done on an A319LR form DOH. The A319 do operate to BCN at the moment.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 5):
A service to OSL, must however be with a larger aircraft with at least 4 weekly frequencies in order to attract the upper yield market. Another option is to serve OSL via another European destination.

Given QR has aircraft shortage and the A330s have all been delivered, the best bet as of now is to extend CPH, ARN to OSL on their early morning arrivals from DOH. The aircraft is on ground for 4 hours in ARN and 5 hours in CPH and somehow QR can manage to squeeze in the flight.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 5):
Route relations clearly defines that both Emirates/Etihad/Qatar can support 7-11 weekly departures from OSL based on 100% load and just 15-20% of the total market to Asia and Africa (destinations served by the latter Arabic airlines).

Yes, definitely they can make it work with connections to Thailand, Indian Sub Continent, Australia etc etc.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9767 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 7):
Since MAD and NRT recently were upgraded to 77W, there are more free A330's. I would assume they have enough A330's for at least 3 more long haul destinations. (with BCN, BRU to get A330's soon, there is room for some more destinations).

MAD to B77W, BRU to start ... so you have one freed A332 here itelf. Besides do not forget DOH - MUC will get additional frequencies from March and that NRT upgrade to B77W on one hand ... there was CPH upgrade to A330 on the other.

QR does not have any aircraft spare, which is why they are delaying the retirement of the A346 and the B787 delay isn't helping either.



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User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9745 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 9):
MAD to B77W, BRU to start ... so you have one freed A332 here itelf. Besides do not forget DOH - MUC will get additional frequencies from March and that NRT upgrade to B77W on one hand ... there was CPH upgrade to A330 on the other.

QR does not have any aircraft spare, which is why they are delaying the retirement of the A346 and the B787 delay isn't helping either.

Perhaps we will see an order for a few off interim A330's or additional 77W coming up. I just have a feeling about that! The 77W are almost drying up, only a few more left to join and we still are did not see Canada, Sydney, more USA frequencies join. I expect an additional A32X order also. Well, when's the next airshow? One can only assume whats in Mr.AAB's mind!



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 8):
Are you sure? The reason I ask is

DOH - ARN :: 2870 miles
DOH - BCN :: 3024 miles
DOH - OSL :: 3081 miles

While there are other deciding factors as well, I thought I'd ask whether you are absolutely sure that OSL can't be done on an A319LR form DOH. The A319 do operate to BCN at the moment.

Hi Ojas.

Just to clarify, this is information from Qatar airways regarding the 319LR and OSL and not personal speculations. I would however also assume that there are other factors involved, but I do not have the technical knowledge to know what that could be or consequences as such.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 8):
Given QR has aircraft shortage and the A330s have all been delivered, the best bet as of now is to extend CPH, ARN to OSL on their early morning arrivals from DOH. The aircraft is on ground for 4 hours in ARN.

Qatar have only 4 hours and 5 minutes stop at ARN 4 days a week. The rest have 1 hour and 55 minutes ground stop.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
Perhaps we will see an order for a few off interim A330's or additional 77W coming up. I just have a feeling about that! The 77W are almost drying up, only a few more left to join and we still are did not see Canada, Sydney, more USA frequencies join.

Well coming to think here is what they have left on order:

1) 2 B777-200LRs
2) 3 B777-300ERs
3) 4 B777s (unconfirmed what they could be -LR, -ER, -F)
4) 14 A320s

They can do a lot with this order itself. But yet they need more A330s and some more A321s as well.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9621 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 11):
Just to clarify, this is information from Qatar airways regarding the 319LR and OSL and not personal speculations.

Oh ok, then I'm sure there maybe weather factors involved.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 12):
Qatar have only 4 hours and 5 minutes stop at ARN 4 days a week.

Yes and on those 4 days they can continue to OSL.



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User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
Yes and on those 4 days they can continue to OSL.

Stockholm to Oslo is a very short flight so it would not make sense to continue to OSL when they can offer convenient connections with SAS or Norwegian. Together they offer around 20 flights a day between these 2 cities. Same goes with Copenhagen. These flights are only 45-55 minutes long!


User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7987 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 13):
1) 2 B777-200LRs
2) 3 B777-300ERs
3) 4 B777s (unconfirmed what they could be -LR, -ER, -F)
4) 14 A320s

One of the 777s is definetly a freighter, A7-BAC (I think)

Quoting ojas (Reply 13):
4) 14 A320s

None are A321's? Some will replace exisitng aircraft I think. Some A320s are quite old (more than 9 years old)



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User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7823 times:

I had some free time, so I compiled a list of all the destinations and the type of aircraft used. Some destinations are more than once daily, some are less than daily. It should give you a jist of the aircraft utilization.

City Aircraft Used (mostly)
Abu Dhabi
A320
Ahmedabad
A320
Aleppo
[begins 6 April] A320
Alexandria
A320
Algiers
A330
Amman
A320
Amritsar
A320
Ankara
A320
Athens
A320
Bahrain
A320
Bangalore
A320
Bangkok
77W, A330
Barcelona
A330 (now A319)
Beijing
77W
Beirut
A320
Berlin
A320
Brussels
[begins 31 January] A330
Bucharest
[begins 17 January] A320
Budapest
[begins 17 January] A320
Buenos Aires
77L
Cairo
77W
Cape Town
77L
Casablanca
A330
Cebu
A330
Chennai
A330
Colombo
A320
Copenhagen
A330
Dammam
A320
Damascus
A320
Dar es Salaam
A320
Delhi
A320, A330
Denpasar
77W
Dhaka
A330
Doha
HUB
Dubai
A320
Frankfurt
A346, A330
Geneva
A330
Goa
A320
Guangzhou
77W
Hanoi
A330
Ho Chi Minh City
A330
Hong Kong
A330
Houston
77L
Hyderabad
A320
Islamabad
77W
Istanbul
A320
Jakarta
A330
Jeddah
77W
Johannesburg
77L
Karachi
A320
Kathmandu
A320, A330
Khartoum
A320
Kochi
A320
Kozhikode
A320
Kuala Lumpur
A330
Kuwait
A320
Lagos
A330
Lahore
A330
London
A330
London
A330, A346, 77W
Luxor
A320
Madrid
77W
Mahé
A320
Malé
A320
Manchester
A330
Mashhad
A320
Manila
77W, A330
Melbourne
77L
Milan
A330
Moscow
A320
Mumbai
A330, 77W
Munich
A330
Muscat
A320
Nairobi
A320
New York City
77W
Nice
A330
Osaka
77W
Paris
A346
Peshawar
A330
Phuket
A330
Riyadh
A330
Rome
A330
Sana'a
A320
Sao Paulo
77L
Seoul
A330
Shanghai
77W
Singapore
77W
Stockholm
A330
Stuttgart
[begins 9 March] A320
Tehran
A320
Thiruvananthapuram
A320
Tokyo
77W
Tripoli
A330
Tunis
A330
Vienna
A320
Washington, D.C.
77W
Zurich
A330




A330= about 36 destinations including announced soon-to-be-launched destinations
77W= about 17 destinations
77L= 6 destinations
A32X= about 41 destinations

Of course some are used for short haul trips as well.

A330's are mostly in Europe, North Africa
77W mostly in North, South America, South Africa, and Asia
A320's Middle East, Europe

I think with 29 A330's you can squeeze in a few more European-range destinations. The 77W are also arriving and you can fit in some more routes or upgrade exisitng ones.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
One of the 777s is definetly a freighter, A7-BAC (I think)

Yes, I took that into consideration A7-BFC that is. Yet 4 uncertain B777s are there.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 17):
had some free time, so I compiled a list of all the destinations and the type of aircraft used.

Thanks for the list, I'll have a detailed look in a while.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 17):
think with 29 A330's you can squeeze in a few more European-range destinations.

LIS perhaps?
Or southern Spain? AGP, ALC? Very poplular areas in the summer for the people of the Gulf Sates...


User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 19):
LIS perhaps?

I think BCN's daily A330 should be a tag-on onwards to LIS! Im not sure if they can have 5th freedom traffic though. LIS has to join QR someday. There are still untapped (by QR) airports in the UK. Edinbourgh, Birmingham, Glasgow are all possibility--or even Dublin is a treasure.



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 20):
I think BCN's daily A330 should be a tag-on onwards to LIS! Im not sure if they can have 5th freedom traffic though

I would doubt it that they would be given traffic rights, the market is already well served- TP, EasyJet, Vueling.


User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 9):
QR does not have any aircraft spare, which is why they are delaying the retirement of the A346 and the B787 delay isn't helping either.

Well, everyone keeps saying that QR is short on aircraft and that's the reason hey can't expand more and of course it's holding them back. So instead of waiting and dealing with shortage issues, wouldn't it be a smart move to lease some aircraft for a year or two? I mean AFAIK there r a lot of 777s and other aircraft available to lease at anytime.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Quoting kevin (Reply 22):
So instead of waiting and dealing with shortage issues, wouldn't it be a smart move to lease some aircraft for a year or two? I mean AFAIK there r a lot of 777s and other aircraft available to lease at anytime.

Their requirements are for the A330 sized aircraft and not the B777. And we all know how difficult it is to lease in A330s at the moment.



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User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 23):
Their requirements are for the A330 sized aircraft and not the B777. And we all know how difficult it is to lease in A330s at the moment.

Well I don't know about that. Their 333s config is Y275 and 77W is 293, while 77L is 217 in Y. So if u ask me I;d say 772 would fit perfectly on some routes like HKG, LOS, FRA, MXP, DAC, MUC, LHR... thus freeing up a bunch of 330s for expansion.


25 ojas : It's not as simple as you put it, the operating costs of A330 and B777 vary significantly.
26 QatarA340 : The 77W contain twice as many premium seats as the A330s.
27 airbazar : For that to work you need to consider two factors: 1) Is the O&D market between OSL and DOH large enough or are most passengers transiting in DOH
28 Tristarsteve : But when is the first B787 expected. A good rumour source at ARN says that we should see a QR B787 in 2012 in place of the A330. When the A319 was op
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