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United CEO Jeff Smisek Named Person Of The Year  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11569 times:

Aviation Week & Space Technology today named United Continental Holdings CEO Jeff Smisek as person of the year.

The Person of the Year only given out 6-times in Aviation Weeks 94-year history recognizes those individuals that have a broader impact aviation, aerospace or defense community.

Press release:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Aviati...ed-prnews-1628169319.html?x=0&.v=1

Magazine electronic edition can be read at;
http://www.zinio.com/browse/publicat...ex.jsp?productId=69582310&sch=true

While its still in its early days as merged company and lots of work remains, the magazine notes Mr Smisek's strong leadership and management background which played key role in bringing about the largest merger in airline industry history.

Kudos to Mr Smisek and his team.

[Edited 2011-01-03 16:11:59]


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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2795 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11496 times:

Interesting that he would get it, and when the Delta-NW deal was consummated, they passed over Richard Anderson.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11392 times:

If he gets rid of E+ they should take it back...unless it's like Time's person of the year, where it's just biggest impact, good or bad.

User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11246 times:

Smisek desreves none. He's done nothing but destroy the last legacy airline that made good on attempts to honor that herigtage and the work done by Gordon Bethune and legions of good Contientnal employees who are now miserable or otherwise will not re-locate to undesirable locations and put up with the challenges of employee integration. All he's kept is the image that was the calling card for good major airline service and now that will quickly become tarnished and frowned upon.


GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11034 times:

Lets see how he handles the Unions? The UA employees gave up a lot in bankruptcy. We have showed we can do the job in a leaner matter. We were tops in on time arrivals throughout the year. We have approved in all categories, but the company doesn't want to give us back what we gave up. They walked out of the negotations last month. Lets see what kind of leader Jeff is in the coming months.

User currently offlinetozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10953 times:

Giving him the "Person of the Year" award is a little like Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize right after he was elected. In both cases, they really haven't done anything yet. I'm not saying that they won't deserve it in the future, but it seems awfully premature. Smisek has A LOT of work to do yet before he comes even close to getting that award. Then again, Glenn Tilton was given the CEO of the year award. Of course that was from the American Cancer Society. How's that for irony...


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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

Quoting tozairport (Reply 5):
Giving him the "Person of the Year" award is a little like Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize right after he was elected. In both cases, they really haven't done anything yet.

Couldn't agree with you more on that.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The Person of the Year only given out 6-times in Aviation Weeks 94-year history

So they really started doing this in 2005 then.

Anderson (DL) is still not done with his plan. Smisek is just getting started with his plan. Arpey: jury is still out on that one (could be gold or bust considering the JAL drama). So overall: poor move by Aviation Week.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10774 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 3):
Smisek desreves none.

Bah humbug ha.

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 4):
The UA employees gave up a lot in bankruptcy. We have showed we can do the job in a leaner matter. We were tops in on time arrivals throughout the year. We have approved in all categories, but the company doesn't want to give us back what we gave up.

Hate to say the obvious, but a big reason United is doing better is that its doing more for less.
Snapping back to old wages, or providing work rule comforts again puts the airline back to square one and repeats the vicious destructive cycle. The world and industry has changed, so unless you want to endanger viability of the business again there is no going back.



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10658 times:

I am increasingly glad that the merged airline has retained the United name, because the behaviour of CO management since they inherited the whole operation is far more consistent with United's lamentable standards than Continental's

US airline executives seem incapable of understanding that they manage a service industry, and that the lower they reduce costs and service standards the lower are the fares and yields which they can command.

Early indications with the CO RJ issue are that Smisek wants to reduce his BMW product into a Chevy, and that he thinks that shrunken capacity and bogus ancillary charges for core products will be capable of maintaining yield longer-term.

"Sir, thanks for buying this car for $14,999. Don't forget to add on five seats at $2,000 each, and a steering wheel for $1,000 and a trunk for $1,000. This is all part of our a la carte pricing initiative wherein you only buy what you really need and get to save money. This product used to cost $25,000, but now you only buy what you really need!"

All Smisek has done so far is be appointed to the big office. But his early actions in cutting CO meals, trying to sidestep the RJ agreement and not guaranteeing United Economy Plus suggests that he is likely to turn into just another United CEO, and lose all that was good about a carrier (Continental) which valued quality and the importance of having happy staff and customers.


User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

I just wait for the day when Smisek decides to sell me all of UA's Pacific Routes   


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User currently offlineCoairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10543 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 3):

Smisek desreves none. He's done nothing but destroy the last legacy airline that made good on attempts to honor that herigtage and the work done by Gordon Bethune and legions of good Contientnal employees who are now miserable or otherwise will not re-locate to undesirable locations and put up with the challenges of employee integration. All he's kept is the image that was the calling card for good major airline service and now that will quickly become tarnished and frowned upon.


GEAUX SAINTS!

I think it is highly unfair to "write off" Mr. Smisek. I have faith in him to make this merger sucessful and compensate the employees fairly. I am very excited about this blockbuster merger that will lead to the most geographically diverse hub network of all the legacy airlines. Awesome hubs from coast to coast in key cities. This merger will bring better routing to the passengers and the employees. I think most of the PMUA employees should be excited about the new leadership and changing corporate culture for the better.

This I have high hopes and good faith and I know many others share my view.



Patience Can Be A Virtue.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
lower are the fares and yields which they can command.

Is that not what consumers want?

Where even $1 price difference effects people decisions, the ability to be cost efficient is paramount.

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
but now you only buy what you really need!

Personaly I see unbundling giving consumers ever more choice and control of their experience . Why pay for things and overhead you have no interest in, or making use of?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

The 5-page AW&ST article is now available online:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...EO%20Is%20Person%20Of%20The%20Year



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

LAXintl, some passengers want their Coach experience to be Wal-Mart, others want Toyota.

But in the USA there is not the level of choice we enjoy in every other major market: you get Wal-mart, take it or leave it. In 2010 I flew domestic coach in the US, Australia, South Africa and UK, and the only market with zero choice of product was the USA, where almost every carrier had recently endured bankruptcy and where every carrier charged for the luggage and food which top-end high-yielding carriers include in those other countries, and command higher yields for.

Americans don't reject flat-screen TVs or cars with electric windows because they are more expensive than inferior products. But every major airline seems determined to destroy it's own yields.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4068 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 3):


Smisek desreves none. He's done nothing but destroy the last legacy airline that made good on attempts to honor that herigtage and the work done by Gordon Bethune and legions of good Contientnal employees who are now miserable or otherwise will not re-locate to undesirable locations and put up with the challenges of employee integration. All he's kept is the image that was the calling card for good major airline service and now that will quickly become tarnished and frowned upon.

Well said,




What a ridiculous joke. Smisek is, arguably the least competent small minded bean counter with a stunning lack of vision since Lorenzo.

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This idiot should be fired before he destroys what could be the best and most powerful Airline in the world.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
"Sir, thanks for buying this car for $14,999. Don't forget to add on five seats at $2,000 each, and a steering wheel for $1,000 and a trunk for $1,000. This is all part of our a la carte pricing initiative wherein you only buy what you really need and get to save money. This product used to cost $25,000, but now you only buy what you really need!"

Interesting point......except why would anyone buy what they don't need? Contrary to your claim that US airline executives are "incapable", would it not be more true to state that they are indeed reacting to what a service industry is; that of giving consumers what they require? It would seem to me to be more of many 'experts' deciding what others should be having and completely out of touch with actual reality. Using your example, can you point to a majority of people who willing pay for all the 'extra's on a new car that they have decided they don't need? In fact, not only why should they but why do you think they should?

Quoting koruman (Reply 13):
LAXintl, some passengers want their Coach experience to be Wal-Mart, others want Toyota.

Yes, and a level of service is entirely their choice. If you want First Class, then book it......and of course pay for it. On the other hand, why do so if it's not necessary to one's requirements?


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

What!!! Are you kidding me.

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 3):
Smisek desreves none. He's done nothing but destroy the last legacy airline that made good on attempts to honor that herigtage and the work done by Gordon Bethune and legions of good Contientnal employees who are now miserable or otherwise will not re-locate to undesirable locations and put up with the challenges of employee integration. All he's kept is the image that was the calling card for good major airline service and now that will quickly become tarnished and frowned upon.



  

IMHO, there goes some credibility for Aviation Week.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Is this an early April Fool's Day joke? Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook got the 2010 Time Person of the Year - the only one of these silly awards that anyone follows.

Quoting tozairport (Reply 5):
Giving him the "Person of the Year" award is a little like Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize right after he was elected.

  

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 3):
Smisek desreves none

Booyah!   


User currently offlineGALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Quoting Coairman (Reply 10):
I think it is highly unfair to "write off" Mr. Smisek. I have faith in him to make this merger sucessful and compensate the employees fairly. I am very excited about this blockbuster merger that will lead to the most geographically diverse hub network of all the legacy airlines. Awesome hubs from coast to coast in key cities. This merger will bring better routing to the passengers and the employees. I think most of the PMUA employees should be excited about the new leadership and changing corporate culture for the better.

This I have high hopes and good faith and I know many others share my view.

I, too, have high hopes. PMUA here. I think it is an exciting positive time.



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User currently offlineFoxThree From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 1):
Interesting that he would get it, and when the Delta-NW deal was consummated, they passed over Richard Anderson.

I agree. Richard Anderson had the guts and vision to finally kick-start the industry consolidation that had been sorely needed for years; Smisek's merely riding Anderson's coattails.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

IMHO its a bit early in the PMUA to name JS man of the year.

When I hear some major decisions about F and Y+ etc, which potentially could really upset a lot of people (me included) I will make my judgement then.


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 13):
LAXintl, some passengers want their Coach experience to be Wal-Mart, others want Toyota.

But in the USA there is not the level of choice we enjoy in every other major market: you get Wal-mart, take it or leave it. In 2010 I flew domestic coach in the US, Australia, South Africa and UK, and the only market with zero choice of product was the USA, where almost every carrier had recently endured bankruptcy and where every carrier charged for the luggage and food which top-end high-yielding carriers include in those other countries, and command higher yields for.

Americans don't reject flat-screen TVs or cars with electric windows because they are more expensive than inferior products. But every major airline seems determined to destroy it's own yields.

The biggest domestic carrier in the US, Southwest does not charge for bags and continues to give some snacks on 2+ hour flights and JetBlue does not charge for the first bag. There are choices here in US. Whereas in UK/Europe, you have Ryan Air and Easyjet, where you have to pay even for checking in.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

This is U.S.-centric.

My votes go to Wolfgang Mayrhuber the former CEO of Lufthansa and Chew Choon Seng the former CEO of Singapore Airlines.

They have done nothing but bringing improvements and being successful at what they have been doing.

It would be a good thing that Mr Smisek consult with them and take example on how to run a successful airline.

  



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 21):
Whereas in UK/Europe, you have Ryan Air and Easyjet, where you have to pay even for checking in.

No you don't in the way you are deliberately implying incorrect information. I'd suggest researching the facts. As a matter of interest, there are a multitude of choices here in Europe as well......why incorrectly suggest there aren't?


User currently offlinenicoeddf From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 21):
There are choices here in US. Whereas in UK/Europe, you have Ryan Air and Easyjet, where you have to pay even for checking in.

Exactly, its really a pity that in UK/Europe there is no other airline apart from Easyjet and Ryanair where you have other options. The US airline market is SO diverse and more developed in contrast to the poor European one.



Anyway, once again I am highly amused, wait...actually I am SHOCKED about the ignorance on this board.

Its not about Smisek getting an award or not.
Its about the uninformed, unbalanced and polemic hatred towards a man nobody knows in person (I know, now somebody claims to have had coffee with him on an occassion in 1968...).
Its about judging somebodies performance by your personal "small lights" standards sitting on the ramp or in your office and complaining how bad the world (your airline) and god (your CEO) is.
Its about having close to no insights into the real decision drivers, into polititcs, into market driven demands, into what SEEMS best for the company at a time given with certain variables given, but still complaining and REALLY THINKING that "you" of all people would be in ANY position to judge with such harshness.

Where has you excellent judgement brought you to?
Into airline management? Certainly not - not many airline high ranks are posting on a.net!
I hazard a guess that many people don't even actually work for an airline - but still dare to judge a man who just was major driver in of the biggest integration of two independent legacy carriers in the world - certainly with success so far (...or has anyone seen new United go down the drain already??).
Integrations are painful, specially for the pride of so many, but good for the industry.

Nobody of you should dare to even think he has better knowledge about keeping or not Y+ or F or any other matter of such importance! State your opinions but don't for one second think you have the better data for analysis than Smisek and team has!


25 einsteinboricua : I would have picked Richard Anderson. Heck, even Tim Clark would have been a better choice. But I do believe Smisek will handle the new UA well.
26 catiii : "Stunning lack of vision?" Really? Aside from creating the world's largest airline via merger, what would have proposed he do to show more vision? Pl
27 Coairman : I read the article and thought is was quite interesting. To accomplish getting the DOJ to approve the deal in record time and thwart off all the anti
28 DualQual : From what I have seen to this point the only employee Mr. Smisek seems interested in compensating, is Mr. Smisek.
29 catiii : Didn't he come in and forego a salary or annual bonus until the company makes a full-year profit?[Edited 2011-01-04 08:33:47]
30 IAHFLYR : Frank L. in a better suit! Certainly hope you are correct, but some of the bumps will be mountains and an off the cuff response from a cavalier execu
31 flyhossd : Just to add a little perspective... Time magazine's person of the year for 1939: Joseph Stalin and for 1938: Adolf Hitler. No, I'm not comparing Smise
32 AAExecPlat : I wonder how many of you actually have the following two experiences: 1) Having flown CO consistently under Gordo, Larry, and Smi/J 2) Have had real w
33 DualQual : Didn't stop him from taking all his bonus money, pocketing millions, and raising his salary upon merger closing. We also made a profit so Mr. Smisek
34 TOMMY767 : I was chatting with a UA F/A last night on my SFO-EWR flight and he was saying that essentially CO purchased UA (obviously not true.) Already they fol
35 LDVAviation : If I remember correctly, I think one or both are previous recipients of this award. So, too is Bob Crandall (former CEO of AA). Crandall won the awar
36 LAXintl : Coincidence. The revised sterile cockpit, pre-landing chime, cabin announcements and safety demo procedures were in the process of being changed with
37 mayor : The article in AW reads more like a pr piece than any type of journalism. I guess the writer thinks that all you have to do in a merger is announce it
38 goldenstate : We'll see how the current round of labor negotiations turn out, but I will be surprised if Arpey manages to turn the corner. I'm surprised AMR's boar
39 junction : I agree with the sentiments above. Its way too early to write off Jeff Smisek, and to compare him with Frank Lorenzo is absolutely insane.
40 flyhossd : Exactly. Did Smisek work for any other airline than CO, prior to the merger? If he thinks that the UAL culture is similar to the CO culture, he's in
41 LAXintl : For those calling Smisek a bean-counter, the real bean counter at CO was Larry Kellner who was an accountant by trade. No he’s attorney by professio
42 flyhossd : That's just my point - he doesn't have the background in the industry that Anderson did. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that lack of a broader industr
43 catiii : Doesn't the BOD make those decisions? Also in the 9 months prior to him being CEO in January 2010 CO lost $367 million, and with him at the helm they
44 LAXintl : Don’t think previous or broad airline experience really matter much frankly these days. CEO does not need to know how to load bags, or check passen
45 LDVAviation : Oh, I see, what this is. This is a special distinction. (As if I needed more proof that this mag is sinking.) On an annual basis, Aviation Week has a
46 GALLEYSTEW : This is total bogus information. MANAGEMENT is being interviewed at both carriers for postions at the combined UNITED. Flight attendants,Pilots, any
47 flyhossd : Again, you've illustrated my point. I agree, this isn't about loading bags or any other front line job at all. However, to completely ignore the diff
48 LDVAviation : Not sure what you mean? Smisek is not sitting on many timebombs? Though the one under his desk (open contracts/union integration) could well sink the
49 TUSdawg23 : I dont mean to hijack this thread, but what do these domestic airlines have that make their domestic product so superior to those in the US, particul
50 113312 : Another Steve Wolf. I would imagine that Gordon Bethune is not impressed but I cannot speak for him and he is probably going to remain silent on the s
51 koruman : Qantas, BA, South African et al on flights of under five hours offer meals at mealtime, one 50 pound piece of checked luggage and free drinks. And th
52 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Deserves *none???* For nothing *positive* he's done for Continental??? I'm a United 1-K, and even I think that's a little harsh.
53 TUSdawg23 : So to back up your statement regarding Qantas koruman I did some research. It said qantas from sydney to melbourne, a 1:30 flight, goes for 478 dolla
54 LAXintl : Strongly disagree. There have been lots of airline CEO's with broad experience that have been viewed as disaster by labor. Steve Wolf at 4 airlines,
55 peanuts : I would agree. Aviation Week clearly jumped the gun though. They also should've waited 5-10 years for this nomination. All they're doing with this is
56 koruman : Tusdawg, you have inadvertently proved my point. In the USA there is now essentially only Coach Minus and "First" (sic) class left, and yields are low
57 peanuts : We can not even start to compare Australia's market to North America. Let's not even go there. If Smisek would go to Australia or Asia to learn a les
58 MaverickM11 : Then why do VX and B6 have some of the lowest yields in the industry while WN have some of the highest? It's clear you hate American carriers and no
59 TUSdawg23 : You inadvertently missed my point im afraid. I really dont see what is considered "coach minus" about what I just presented to you. The VX domestic p
60 flyhossd : Ah. I didn't mean to say that experience was a guarantee of success either. I should have been more clear. IMHO, Smisek's lack of experience with oth
61 mayor : Oh, I do, too. I was just pointing out that if anyone should have gotten it, it should have been Anderson. All Smisek has done so far is follow DL's
62 airfrnt : I'm pretty sure that everyone wants to make sure that the brakes work on a airplane, and that it doesn't randomly run off a cliff. Smisek has vision,
63 panamair : Sorry, but Smisek is following Richard Anderson's "vision". He agreed to the merger with UA to "keep up with the Joneses (Delta, in this case)". Even
64 TIA : There are plenty of carriers in Europe, Africa and Australia that don't offer free checked bags or meals, but if you're going to pick and choose your
65 TOMMY767 : Smisek thinks CO is the greatest thing since sliced bread and it's mainly because he has worked there for 15-20 years. He's convinced that CO is alway
66 mayor : What difference has Smisek made, really? All he's done is copy DL/NW's merger template (by his own admission) and done it second. Hardly a difference
67 catiii : So creating the world's largest airline isn't a difference maker? Who else would deserve the award then?
68 Post contains images mayor : Not so difficult when you're using someone else's plan, is it? Isn't that why CO/UA waited until they saw how DL/NW would go? Not that Anderson or DL
69 hnl-jack : How quickly the worm turns. Wasn't it only months ago many on A-Net were proclaiming how great the CO management team was and the great things they wo
70 Post contains images catiii : Again, who should have gotten then? And you've clearly never met Richard Anderson then...
71 mayor : Maybe not even Anderson as their work is not done, yet, however it's alot further along than CO/UA. And, no, I haven't met Richard, but I have corres
72 catiii : Ok, so if not Smisek for an event that was undertaken this year, and not Anderson, then who?
73 TOMMY767 : I mean, technically it could have been Anderson as DL merged operating certificates with NW at the beginning of 2010, further streamlining the merger
74 mayor : Maybe no one. Since it has only been awarded 6 times, obviously it's not given out every year.
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