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Could AA/AE Fly DFW-FLG (Flagstaff, AZ) Soon?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4010 times:

In recent years, some of American Eagle's new destinations have been unexpected successes, particularly from DFW. Examples of such destnations include ROW, SAF, and MHK (which was formerly an EAS subsidized airport).

I wonder, could AA/AE soon fly DFW-FLG (Flagstaff, AZ)? Some AA FFs who want to visit the Grand Canyon would perhaps like a more convenient option than PHX. I think there are also quite a few locals in the Flagstaff Metropolitan Area who would pay for the convenience of not having to drive down I-17 to PHX.

Does anyone have their own opinion?


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3947 times:

Perhaps they would try LAX first? There's also the hot and high factor with FLG. The ER4's would most definitely weight restrict to/from DFW.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3910 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
Perhaps they would try LAX first? There's also the hot and high factor with FLG. The ER4's would most definitely weight restrict to/from DFW.

However, AA's LAX services to ROW and SAF have not been as sucessful. LAX-ROW is already gone, and with AA/AE soon beginning LAX-ABQ in April I would't be surprised if LAX-SAF gets axed, since loads have generally only been half full. DFW simply provides more connection opportunity than LAX.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
However, AA's LAX services to ROW and SAF have not been as sucessful. LAX-ROW is already gone, and with AA/AE soon beginning LAX-ABQ in April I would't be surprised if LAX-SAF gets axed, since loads have generally only been half full. DFW simply provides more connection opportunity than LAX.

But, far more Californians visit Arizona for work and play than north Texans   . It is geographically much closer to California. Been to FLG quite a few times, too  



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3858 times:

As much as I love FLG...I don't see DFW happening maybe LAX/LAS. They can barely support US down to PHX maybe too close/expensive but that is another story.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
They can barely support US down to PHX

I wonder why then US has five daily flights to PHX then. Yes, I know they are on Dash-8s, however, if FLG can barely support the PHX flights then US wouldn't be flying five daily flights. BTW, FLG-PHX is not an EAS subsidized route. Many expected that DFW-SAF would fail; instead it became a success for AA/AE who now operates 2-3 daily flights on the route.



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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

I think you will see JAC-LAX before you see FLG-DFW

User currently offlineflyjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Examples of such destnations include ROW, SAF, and MHK

IMO, one thing that works in AA's favor in this three markets is AA is the only show in town. With FLG, AA would have to compete with US and loyal Dividend Miles members for a not so big market. Plus as somebody else stated, the ERJ's would be weight restricted. Why didn't AS' service to LAX succeed


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
But, far more Californians visit Arizona for work and play than north Texans   . It is geographically much closer to California. Been to FLG quite a few times, too  

QX already flew between FLG and LAX, and cancelled the service. At its peak, the service was two times daily. In addition, the service had additional feed due to the stopover in PRC. I suspect LAX-FLG for AE makes not a lot of sense.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

You can tos out Grand canyon visitors flying into Flagstaff, you still end up with a long drive. Might as well drive in from LAS or PHX.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

I also wonder, could a DL Connection/SkyWest flight on SLC-FLG work?


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User currently offlineAeroSafari From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Nov 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Another carrier in FLG would be great. Flagstaff is a fun little town and could support more service particularly during the peak summer season. Perhaps it would come down to an agreement between the city of Flagstaff and AA/AE and some    subsidies much like the QX entrance to the market?


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
There's also the hot and high factor with FLG

That is not as significant as you think for FLG. FLG is at 7,000 feet.....high temps in the summer stay in the mid to low 80s.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
I also wonder, could a DL Connection/SkyWest flight on SLC-FLG work?

I could see this route as a possibility. It might actually be profitable. SLC is a pretty decent spot from FLG to make most cities work. I think we would see Skywest for DL to SLC before AE to DFW but you never know.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

I think it is an interesting idea, there is a decent sized population of ~125,000 in and around Flagstaff. And while it is only a 2hr drive to PHX, that doesn't count having to contend with rush hour traffic in Phoenix and inclement weather during the winter time. But at the same time Flagstaff isn't Roswell (large gas and oil industry presence but considerably smaller than FLG) nor is it Santa Fe (state capital and very affluent population).

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
That is not as significant as you think for FLG. FLG is at 7,000 feet.....high temps in the summer stay in the mid to low 80s.

The altitude is enough to seriously impact the performance of aircraft likely to be used on this route. Neither the CR2 nor the ER4 are known for their short field performance.


Flagstaff, like Prescott, face the same problem. While they have the local population to support some level of air service, for whathever reason the demographics of that population aren't supporting it. Certainly not at a price that would make it worthwhile for an airline to fly it. With PHX a reasonable drive a way, with a lot of service, AND plenty of low fares there is no way that FLG could really have much more service than it does now.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
But at the same time Flagstaff isn't Roswell (large gas and oil industry presence but considerably smaller than FLG) nor is it Santa Fe (state capital and very affluent population).

What FLG primarily offers is the Grand Canyon. I am sure many people would like the convenience of not having to drive from PHX or LAS to visit the Grand Canyon.



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