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Future of Syrian Arab Airlines 747-SP's?  
User currently offlinecafedelmar From Spain, joined Jan 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

In October we talked about relations between Washington and Damascus that have improved since the beginning of the year 2010 and the U.S. government has authorized Boeing to achieve the revision of two 747SP Syrianair grounded since 2007.

The two planes are
YK-AHA : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-21174.htm
YK-AHB : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-21175.htm

no news since. There was a desire to rehabilitate the two planes. Anyone have news on the location of these two aircraft (still in Damascus or ferries elsewhere for maintenance).

What would be the Syrianair goal with putting back these two old planes flying.
I noted that the Gulf countries are where most 747SP are still in service.

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12325 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Quoting cafedelmar (Thread starter):
I noted that the Gulf countries are where most 747SP are still in service.

Yes, but the rest of them are VIP aircraft - Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen and the UAE.

Quoting cafedelmar (Thread starter):
What would be the Syrianair goal with putting back these two old planes flying.

Maybe they need the capacity; these acft are 35 years old now, so I can't imagine that (even if they are returned to service), they will be around for long. RB has indicated an interest in A330s (among other Airbus types), but sanctions have prevented this; perhaps the reactivation of the 74Ls are an interim solution?


User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

There were several articles in the local media around a year ago about a deal with a company in Saudi Arabia that had agreed to "refurbish" the airframes. It was also mentioned that a deal was underway for mainatance work to be carried out on the engines.
This was mentioned at a time when Syrian was having trouble maintaining the A320 fleet. I dont know how accurate the story was, but governement papers were carrying it too.

I have been lucky enough to have flown on the SPs several times on the DAM-LHR route, and I must say I loved every single one of those flights. The SP has got to be one of my all time favourites. Its a brilliant aircraft.

Quoting cafedelmar (Thread starter):
Anyone have news on the location of these two aircraft (still in Damascus or ferries elsewhere for maintenance).

Last time I flew out of Damascus (Aug 2010) they were still there, and both were outside in the sunshine. The hangers were full of A320s and 727s.



"Never forget, the higher we soar, the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly" - Nietzsche -
User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

There is a lot of specialty "know-how" in this region on older Boeing types. Look at Iran Air, who still operates them. Perhaps Tehran has agreed to assist in the overhaul of these a/c? Aside from mechanical issues that the Iranians have proven to be able to handle on older Boeings, fuel cost is the other issue. If Syrianair can secure cheap fuel, then the 74L can work for them...

User currently offlineAmir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Hi, Indeed last week (SOurce: Arabnews), RB reached agreement with AL Salam Aircraft Company to overhaul both the SP's in Riyadh the next months. Looks like we will still se them around for some time  

Cheers
Amir


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5705 times:

Great news! From an enthusiasts standpoint, the 74L is one of the few classic wide-bodies left flying that has great appeal. It is a nice change from the boring aircraft that now fill our airports!

User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Quoting Amir (Reply 4):
Hi, Indeed last week (SOurce: Arabnews), RB reached agreement with AL Salam Aircraft Company to overhaul both the SP's in Riyadh the next months. Looks like we will still se them around for some time

Any news about the engines, last I heard was that the engines will need some maintanace as well.
Will Al Salam be taking care of that as well?



"Never forget, the higher we soar, the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly" - Nietzsche -
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Why cant they get used IL-96 instead?

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Why cant they get used IL-96 instead?

Probably be because their crews are trained on the 747, they're used to operating it, they own it, everything is geared up for the 747. Rather than introduce a new aircraft with other new expenses.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Dosent make sense, I'm sure the Syrians are not that backward or impoverished.

User currently offlinenavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1144 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
RB has indicated an interest in A330s (among other Airbus types), but sanctions have prevented this

They have a fleet of A320:s, please explain to me why they can not also have A330:s. How do those sanctions you are talking about function when it comes to Syrianair?



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User currently onlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5029 times:
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The USA won't allow the sale transfer of new Airbus or Boeings or for that matter Canadian/Embraer aircraft because they ALL include US embargoed components.

Durrng recent months Syrian have been using a pair of elderly Jordanian B762 aircraft on the main routes to cover for problems with small A320 fleet and B74L groundings.

Interestingly however two ATRs have been received and are being employed regionally to the likes of Aleppo and Istanbul allowing the limited A320s to stengthen the LHR/CDG and MAD sectors once again.

This lack of aircraft has had a devastating effect upon Syrian's ability to serve their entire network effectively.
Resulting in withdrawals from Manchester Munich and others.

Oh and they have a few B722 still on inventory - These are barred from the EU for noise abbatment reasons but have been seen in Moscow and the Gulf from time to time.

As for Russian types well Syrian have a few Tu134 and Yak40s still serviceable and have used Tu154s.

They have considered the Tu204 and IL96 however given the inability of Russian aviation to actually deliver, why would anyone place an order and hand over a deposit - Well ?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

^ Cuba didnt have problems.

User currently offlinenavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1144 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 11):
The USA won't allow the sale transfer of new Airbus or Boeings or for that matter Canadian/Embraer aircraft because they ALL include US embargoed components.

How does the US enforce this since they (Syrianair) have A320:s? They got them new... How did they get hold of those planes? How do those sanctions you are talking about function when it comes to Syrianair? And how come they can lease very american manufactured 752:s from jordan nowadays?



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User currently onlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4704 times:
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Quoting navigator (Reply 13):

Visit for full details

http://damascus.usembassy.gov/sanctions-syr.html

The last A320 delivered in 1999 pre dating these sanctions.

From time to time the US allows the export of safety critical equipment (Usually as a reward for services rendered in the Bush Jnr inspired Wars on terror)

So long as Jordan retain ownership of the B762s there is no problem.

Similar arrangements have allowed Cubana to have TACA operate A320s regionally and variuos European carriers operate DC10 and A330 for them from Havana - Europe until recent arrivals of their IL96, and Tu204s


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