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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26844 times:

Hey, as the other thread was getting longer and longer and it's 2011 i decieded to start part 2.

What can we expect in 2011?

Decision on TP privatisation (very soon i hope)?

Start construction of the new Lisbon airport?

New TP routes(Africa)?
Anyone with information on how the sales on the 7 new routes are going?

What about OPO , FAO , FNC , The Azores? What can we expect for them?

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User currently offlinelppr95 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 26818 times:

Hi!

Anyone know when will begin the expansion works in OPO?



"Cathay 018, expect very late landing clearance, 747 departing ahead", tower said.
User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 26677 times:

Ryanair to LIS, hopefully!

User currently offlinebuyantukhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 26603 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Start construction of the new Lisbon airport?

In the current economic crisis? Forget it! All major infrastructure projects have been shelved - the only big project that was signed already (HS rail Poceirao - Caia) will be renegotiated. The rest will not be done for five years at the very least... Nao ha dinheiro amigo!



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 26550 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Start construction of the new Lisbon airport?

Not gonna happen.

Quoting buyantukhaa (Reply 3):
Nao ha dinheiro amigo!

Not because of that. There's actually money for it and there's plenty of proof that a new airport is as sure an investment as money in the bank. Portugual's economy will suffer a lot more from not building this airport. The problem is that the Portuguese in general and especially those in power are not very forward thinking people and most are not even qualified for the politically appointed jobs that they occupy.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7305 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 26538 times:
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Will United add the 2nd daily to LIS from EWR year round? Could they move it to IAD?   

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 26534 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 5):
Will United add the 2nd daily to LIS from EWR year round?

Don't think there is year round demand for a 2x daily service- as TP reduces it to 5x weekly in the winter.

Would be nice to have PHL with US year round tho!


User currently offlineaugustoa340 From Portugal, joined Oct 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 26532 times:

Portugal needs a new airport, Portela is tired,and not a first world airport,
As for the construction, would give the economy and many industry sectors a boost and employment many people would benefit who are looking for jobs
Problem is the big fat cats in Lisbon government

I do however salute TAP for they have gone a long way and continue to improve
and are trying to privatise

but

you must understand it is difficult to change a country and its culture and socialism mentality

With regards to the human resources

Portuguese have the ability to build anything and to be successfull

I havent seen many positive compliments on Portugal with regards to the NATO conference

They did an excellent job and of all the NATO conferences
this was the one with least demonstrations and disruptions

Its challenging times for Portugal
I just wish they could move from socialism and the socialism mentality
 


User currently offlineaugustoa340 From Portugal, joined Oct 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 26518 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
The problem is that the Portuguese in general and especially those in power are not very forward thinking people and most are not even qualified for the politically appointed jobs that they occupy

I think you mixing up Portugal with Mozambique or Angola lol

Come on

Yeah I agree burocracy is a problem,... hence the socialism influence etc , but the way you worded the abovementioned sentence it sounds more like you referring to Mozambique or Angola but not Portugal
Anyway,
Its your opinion and i am not going to begin a political or try to convince you otherwise,but sounds like you have a sour grape against Portuguese


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26492 times:

Quoting augustoa340 (Reply 8):
Yeah I agree burocracy is a problem,... hence the socialism influence etc , but the way you worded the abovementioned sentence it sounds more like you referring to Mozambique or Angola but not Portugal
Anyway,
Its your opinion and i am not going to begin a political or try to convince you otherwise,but sounds like you have a sour grape against Portuguese

I am Portuguese. My entire family lives in Portugal. I stand by what I said and that is the number 1 reason why I don't work in Portugal. It's a great country to live. It's a crappy country to make a living because everyone is just thinking of new ways to cheat the system. No one wants to actually work for it. More than 60% of the population doesn't even have a high school diploma and Portuguese workers have the lowest productivity rate in all of Europe, but they want and demand the same quality of life as the rest of Europe. That's not sour grapes. Those are facts.
Anyone with sensible economic knowlege knows that this airport is extremely important for the country, that it's a financial slam dunk to be built on what is otherwise abandoned land that the state already owns. It's a no brainer. But because of the populist nature of Portuguese politics, it won't be built because the politicians who should know better either are equally ignorant or are caving to the pressures of their ignorant voters. And since it actually requires work to educate the population as to why this airport is extremely important, the status quo remains. They had no difficulty in building multi-million Euro stadiums for Euro2004 which remain mostly unused forever because that's what the masses like.


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26472 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
It's a great country to live. It's a crappy country to make a living because everyone is just thinking of new ways to cheat the system.

BINGO

I'm exactly in the same situation and think exactly the same.
This new airport should be their number 1 priority, but they are more interested in votes...


User currently offlinebuyantukhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 26381 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
That's not sour grapes. Those are facts.

Having lived and worked in Portugal for 7 years, I agree with your analysis (even if I worked for a Portuguese company with only academics working >60 hours a week on average).

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
that it's a financial slam dunk to be built on what is otherwise abandoned land that the state already owns. It's a no brainer.

I agree that the airport would be good for the economy and that the Alcochete location is the best, far better than Ota, but:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
But because of the populist nature of Portuguese politics, it won't be built because the politicians who should know better either are equally ignorant or are caving to the pressures of their ignorant voters.

I think the projects aren't cancelled because of that, but because of EU budgetary pressure. Although you might be right when arguing that cancelling infrastructure projects is politically easier than firing a large chunk of the civil servants. I think they should privatise many state-owned companies, first of all TAP, but that might again be too scary for politicians. The worst that can happen is that Portuguese politicians will feel comfortable with the idea that the EU will bail them out. I'd like to see the IMF step in, even if that would be considered a loss of face for Brussels.



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlinecahmc85 From Portugal, joined Jul 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26368 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
I am Portuguese. My entire family lives in Portugal. I stand by what I said and that is the number 1 reason why I don't work in Portugal. It's a great country to live. It's a crappy country to make a living because everyone is just thinking of new ways to cheat the system.

Exactly. You're absolutely right! I couldn't say better!

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Start construction of the new Lisbon airport?

Unfortunatly, I wouldn't count with that. Not even in this new entire decade, I think.

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
New TP routes(Africa)?

By the end of the month we will have the official announcement. Things are a bit delayed because of bureaucracy (mainly authorizations) in some countries.

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Anyone with information on how the sales on the 7 new routes are going?

All of them doing very well. Especially DUS, VIE, MIA. These markets (mainly DUS and VIE) have the habit to book the flights very early compared to other markets. But the other ones are doing very good as well.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 2):
Ryanair to LIS, hopefully!

To be honest, I really don't know if that would be such a good thing for the Portuguese aviation..But that would lead us to another discussion

Happy new year to all


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 26262 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):

I can't totally agree that a new airport is necessary. Portugal is having some severe problems maintaining the infrastructure it already has. Its been great to have 20 years of EU aid; thousands upon thousands of either fully or partially funded FEDER projects - roads, bridges, airports, water, you name it. Building stuff is great. Maintaining things are another story. Just look at the current attempts to toll the current SCUT highways. (SCUT - sem custos para o utilizador). Even the acronym is a crock; what part of motoring in Portugal is without cost? €1.51 / L of unleaded ? or annual IUC payment ? Plenty of costs there!

Meanwhile, TACV will op LIS LPA on Thursdays from 20 Jan.



To no one will we sell, or deny, or delay, right or justice - Magna Carta, 1215
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 26232 times:

Quoting buyantukhaa (Reply 11):
I think the projects aren't cancelled because of that, but because of EU budgetary pressure.

I think the money is already set aside. One of the problems is the masses are too paroquial in their way of thinking and reasoning. They see a new airport as just a local infrastructure project and don't understand the impact that a intercontinental hub can have on the whole country's economy. The other big problem, possibly the main problem, is that nearly everyone with decision making power in this matter is from Lisbon so behind close doors they have absolutely no interest and "losing" the airport to another city/region. Having the single biggest revenue generating facility under their control is a power they don't want to lose.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 13):
I can't totally agree that a new airport is necessary. Portugal is having some severe problems maintaining the infrastructure it already has.

Apples and oranges. ANA is shoveling money out the door because LIS is operating at capacity and carriers are being asked to limit their operations. FR would be operating at LIS today if it didn't have to fight for slots and pay inflated market prices due to the congested nature of the airport. TP would be making a whole lot of money if they could line up their schedules in a more efficient bank operation but they can't because the airport doesn't allow it. As for the tolls, the reason they have to pay tolls is because they don't pay taxes in the first place. It's as simple as that. The money has to come from somewhere. There's a long ingrained history of tax evasion in Portugal. The comment I made above about cheating the system applies here too. They want everything for free but don't want to work for it. I see in my friends' and family Facebook status updates every day. In Portugal it's cool to cheat the system.

On a different note more positive note  Smilehttp://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28452
I think the fact that they're actively promoting PEK and PVG, both in Portugal and Brazil, makes it obvious which will be TP's next long haul destination.

[Edited 2011-01-07 05:41:32]

User currently offlinecadamosto From Portugal, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 26005 times:

We used to have news on TP LF on long haul, usually on the Brazilian Aviation threads, via LipeGIG. Does Lipe - or anyone else - has any recent information about the subject?

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25831 times:

TP will announce it's 10th route in Brazil- Porto Alegre. http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28517

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25757 times:

Porto Alegre is indeed a huge surprise to me, on many counts. It's TP's longest route so far. Long enough that it will be hard to operate a R/T with only 1 plane and even if they manage that, it's a very long way for a daylight flight. I would have thought that if TP wanted to venture that far south, EZE would be the next obvious destination.

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25739 times:

Could EZE became a tag from POA?

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25718 times:

On the presstur article, Fernado Pinto also mentions 2 more routes in Africa

"Depois do anúncio por Fernando Pinto das novas rotas na Europa, no tradicional almoço de Natal com a imprensa portuguesa, a companhia já anunciou voos para Miami, e irá ainda anunciar S. Vicente, em Cabo Verde, bem como outros dois destinos em África"

Anyone with information on what could these 2 new routes be?
Any other aiports in Angola that can handle internayional flights?


User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 25503 times:

New route for Ryanair at OPO - 'Paris' Vatry.

Port country linked to Champagne country!


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25401 times:

Some more info on TP operations and numbers to Brazil.
TP Will increase the following services:

LIS - VCP from 3 Weekly to 4 Weekly
LIS - GIG 11x Weekly to 12x Weekly
LIS - BSB 6x Weekly to Daily
LIS - CNF 5x Weekly to 6x Weekly
LIS - REC 6x Weekly to Daily
LIS - SSA 6x Weekly to Daily
OPO - GIG 2x Weekly to 3x Weekly
OPO - GRU 2x Weekly to 3x Weekly

LIS-GRU will have the same 12 Weekly flights and NAT will also keep it's 4x Weekly flights.
This will bring a total of 75 flights a week(High Season only), including the new LIS-POA (4x Weekly)

TP transported a total of 1,427 million passengers to and from Brazil on it's routes in 2010. A new record for the company.

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28635

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=28634


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25349 times:

Impressive but where are the planes coming from? Cutting JNB alone doesn't account for all of these increases.

User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 511 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 25236 times:

Hi,

More and more i'm reading rumors (and nothing more than that) that TP will add two widebodies to the fleet for the summer 2011, and that they will be leased. We'll see if it becomes true.

Today in the news, Prime Minister Jose Socrates will be on oficial state visit on sunday to Doha, and the next two days to Abu Dhabi. Along comes the usual delegation of business man, CEOs from banks, energy companies, exporters... but this time Mr. Fernando Pinto, TP CEO will go along. Makes me think some kind of airline industrie agreement must be in the works... perhaps in some time TP will go the region?


User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25192 times:

LIS desperately needs a Gulf carrier - it is one of only a handful of capitals in Western Europe with no direct air link to either DXB/DOH/AUH. I can't see TP starting any routes eastwards soon, but a codeshare with QR/EK/EY may be the answer.

25 airbazar : Very true but we do have LIS-IST and LIS-CAI which sort of serve the same purpose. I suspect that what's keeping a ME carrier from entering LIS is th
26 LisbonBearUK : I take it the TunisAir didn't come in today?
27 Post contains links santos : TP CEO has been in Doha with the Portuguese Prime Minister, he confirmed that TP has no interest in starting a route to Doha, but they fully support Q
28 airbazar : Doesn't QR operate some A319ER's to Europe? I could see them come to LIS with one of those just to start. But I think the real reason why Fernando Pin
29 Post contains links santos : TP is to stop flights to Johansbourgh in June! Will now code share with LAM! They will also serve Maputo 4 times a week, 2 with TP aircraft, the 2 oth
30 LisbonBearUK : JNB is making a profit for many airlines, so I am not surprised it has been dropped by TAP. They will make far more oprofit on POA, for example. There
31 santos : This route is served only 3 times a week, only 1 direct service, other 2 are via MPM, so really not a very attractive schedule, and probably most of
32 LisbonBearUK : It doesn't free up that much a/c though, if they are still going to be flying to MPM twice a week, that's only a reduction of 1 rotation. TP will need
33 airbazar : That's what I said in reply 22. Cutting JNB alone doesn't even begin to make up for all the added frequencies and 2 new destinations. Where are the p
34 Post contains links PhotoLPPT : Hi all, According to news reports, it seems the Portuguese Government is negotiating with Qatar Airlines the sale of 40% of TAP shares, when the compa
35 cadamosto : Amazing news, if confirmed. Would this be the 1st european carrier to be bought by a middle eastern airline?
36 LisbonBearUK : It's not 'being bought' at 40%, that's not even a majority share - but a large one I acknowledge. Best news TAP has had for a long time if true.
37 BuyantUkhaa : What alliance is QR in, if any?
38 santos : TP and QR are still discussing the possibility of the sale, but none of the airlines have confirmed this! I'm not to keen on this 40% sale! Why not 10
39 BuyantUkhaa : And where is LH in this story? It would be nice to keep TP well integrated in Star, I still think LH would be the ideal candidate for TP.
40 pacifique75 : I am surprised nobody mentioned it here yet... The other destinations in Africa are Bamako, in Mali and Accra, in Ghana.
41 santos : Really? Where have you got this info from? Not confirmed by TP And why Mali? I asked TP on their facebook wall and their response was: "A TAP vai lan
42 LisbonBearUK : Presumably Bamako and Accra can be reached by A320/1 from LIS which means they won't need to impact on the already stretched A330/40s.
43 pacifique75 : Well, perhaps the operation to BKO and ACC is still awaiting governmental approval and other "finishing touches" and flight schedules havent been pub
44 Post contains links and images lppr95 : YW has already started flights to OPO operated by CRJ 1000! http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7030451&nseq=25
45 Post contains links santos : Has anyone seen this video: Last week on board a NI Fokker 100, a passanger surprised a Air Steward( his girlfriend) by asking to marry him. LIS-BCN T
46 LisbonBearUK : Where to/from? Also, FR have announced a new service today: FAO-MAN. Seems Manchester is the growth destination from Portugal this summer, with TP re
47 lppr95 : To/from MAD. It's the only YW route from OPO.
48 Post contains links and images SXDFC : I tend to do Modified Aircraft Drawings from time to time, so I figured I'd do a TP 777-282LR. This was done by request a long time ago. I understand
49 Post contains images TP777 : SWEET Regards TP777
50 santos : Nice! As per the 787 models, i really doubt it at this stage, as they have an all Airbus fleet! They have operated 747-200, 707-300, 727-100, 737-200
51 santos : It would be nice if TP painted one of their A320 or A332 in a retro scheme! I'm sure they would look awsome
52 LisbonBearUK : No offence, but I would like to think TP have more important things to spend money on than a pointless paintjob! Some decent seats in Business Class o
53 Post contains links airbazar : It's all rumors but the interested parties seem to be Qatar, Lufthansa and IAG. http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/lu...s-e-iag-de-olho-na-tap_109381.
54 Post contains links santos : Some more details about the privatisation! It says that TP made a profit in 2010( the airline itself) But Groundforce and TAP Manutencao- the maintena
55 Post contains links and images Aviopic : The F100 will stay around at PGA for some time to come so many more couples have time to do so http://www.flyfokker.com/Portugalia-...-Time-FLYFokker
56 Post contains links lppr95 : Beja airport is going to start operations in April 22nd. The first flight will be a charter flight from London Heathrow operated by BMI express Inaugu
57 LisbonBearUK : Which handling company will BD be using at Beja? Also, I don't think Beja has even been given a 3-letter code, has it?
58 airbazar : Between June and September TP will be increasing DME from 5x to 9x weekly. And there's a rumor that GOL has joined the list of companies interested in
59 LisbonBearUK : Are there going to be any link re-established between FAO and FNC in the near future? It does seem strange that there is no link at all between these
60 Post contains images airbazar : Well, there's a weekly car ferry between Portimão and Funchal. Does that count?
61 Post contains images lppr95 : Faro - Faro Airport (FAO) 15:40 to Madeira - Madeira Airport (FNC) 17:35 S4 SATA International Flight: 518 DH4-De Havilland (Bombardier) DHC-8-400 Da
62 S4A320 : I can´t understand why SATA Internacional insists on being a seasonal carrier! We see TAP starting new routes and adding more frequencies to certain
63 lppr95 : Their A310 are geting old. Maybe some A332s to replace them. Any thoughts?
64 airbazar : Becasue that is their business model. The company exists strictly to bring Azorean emmigrants back to the homeland during vacation periods. They are
65 Airportugal310 : A332's for SATA might be too much airplane...A333's perhaps. You can stuff pax in there like Air Luxor used to in the day! Although, it seems Air Lux
66 LisbonBearUK : It's unlikely to happen, but what PDL needs are some low cost carriers such as EasyJet, Ryanair or Transavia in order to get some tourism business in.
67 Post contains links airbazar : Are we talking about SATA or SATA International? They are not the same even if they appear the same on the surface. For example, the A310 crews for S
68 S4A320 : "the A310 crews for SATA International are based in Lisbon, not PDL" There is also an A310 SATA International crew based in PDL. Some flights from PD
69 airbazar : That's an excellet suggestion but they don't have the aircraft to do it. JNB-PDL or even PDL-JNB is too long for the A310.
70 LisbonBearUK : Easyjet normally put their winter skeds on sale around March/April.... Does anyone know what we are going to get in terms of new routes from LIS? It s
71 LisbonBearUK : The rumour of a LIS-EZE service has come to the surface again, but this time not with TP but with AR.... Anyone heard anything? Maybe as a stopover en
72 santos : And where did you hear this rumours may I ask?
73 Post contains links santos : TP announced today Bamako in Mali. Starting in June with 3 flights a week. http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=29226 In another news all previo
74 LisbonBearUK : Worryingly low figure for MAN, I would suggest, compared to VIE and ATH.
75 airbazar : I would guess that MAN is more of a business destination and therefore advanced bookings are probably not as relevant as yields unlike VIE and ATH wh
76 airportugal310 : Heard on the radio this morning that TAP may consider raising ticket prices if fuel prices go up farther. Nothing new there I suppose.
77 Post contains links santos : News artcile about it on here: http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/ta...o-a-subida-do-petroleo_111344.html Seems normal, as i'm sure other airlines will
78 Post contains links LIPZ : TAP is considering to add Turin and Florence in Italy http://www.mercadoeeventos.com.br/sc...pStrLink=3,540,0,69171&IndSeguro=0
79 gipsy : Bom Dia! Can someone please help me in finding the localisation and alignment of the runways of the New Airport? Is the planning done already? I appro
80 LisbonBearUK : Are we any closer getting Ryanair at LIS? Anyone heard anything?
81 santos : I hope not! Not sure if Ryanair will pay what ANA/LIS fees, and they will not negotiate with FR! LIS is congested as it is, so will only make sence w
82 Post contains links and images airbazar : Outside of very small peak windows, LIS is anything but congested. The questions is whether FR wants to operate outside those windows. View Large Vie
83 LisbonBearUK : Absolutely, you only need to be around LIS between 0930 and 1800 to see it is far from congested!
84 trystero : Christ! Didn't they finished extensive works on OPO recently?
85 LisbonBearUK : There are some extensive building works going on at LIS, between the 40s gates and SEF control. Anyone know what is being constructed there? Also, whe
86 Post contains links airbazar : It's described as a new busgate. I'm not sure exactly what a busgate is. http://www.lisbonairportdevelopmentplan.com/home_v.html
87 Post contains links and images airbazar : According to master plan there's a lot more to do http://www.ana.pt/planos_opo/PD_ASC.pdf
88 LisbonBearUK : So how are they intending to keep non-Schengen arriving passengers seperated from the rest? They'll have to go up to the upper level and come back dow
89 BuyantUkhaa : Simply a gate without jetway? Like all gates at terminal 2 and 1-6,8-12 at terminal 1, still think the "bus gate factor" at LIS is too high...
90 santos : FR's OPO-BRS seems to have been cut as it's no longer in the map! Used to be a seosonal route(summer only), but has now been removed from the route ma
91 Pyrex : Yes, but that is just how things work in Portugal. Any investment in Porto is somehow good, now matter how much of a white elephant it is (e.g., Casa
92 Post contains links and images Gipsy : So no info available? I can read Portuguese but all I found was some kind of navigation map. Are the plans "frozen"? If they want to start building it
93 Post contains links lppr95 : http://www.ana.pt/planos_opo/PD_ASC.pdf
94 Gipsy : Thanks! But that was not what I was searching. I'm searching for something similar for the new Lisbon airport in Alcochete. I thought that the plans f
95 airbazar : Makes sense. According to the plan I posted in Reply 86 it appears to be something like a large gathering area with transfer desks and such.
96 Post contains links santos : Some more good news to Beja! Aeromec(omni group which own White Airways) will invest €5 million on a maintenance hangar at Beja's new airport! http:
97 Post contains links santos : EgyptAir is to close the CAI-LIS route until the end of the summer, due to low bookings! http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=29320. TunisAir wi
98 Post contains links TP777 : Acording to the recent news, LATAM is considering to take a 39% chare on TP privatisation with possibility to increase to 49%, but TAP SA has to sell
99 PhotoLPPT : Hi all, ANA, the company that runs LIS, announced today that is making contingency plans to keep LIS in use at least until 2021, in case the economic
100 atalanta89 : i'm quite sure about that. And let's see what they will do with the Groundforce.
101 OP3000 : They could consider a stop in LAD or SID, though not sure that would make much commercial sense. This could either be genuine interest from TAM, or o
102 LisbonBearUK : Good news about Transavia, the AMS route has been overpriced for years from LIS, and I expect they are getting in there before U2 start the route (if
103 BuyantUkhaa : But they flew it a few years ago, so it was just restarted. BTW prices start at EUR47 one way.
104 LatinThug : There are many rumours around at the moment regarding TP potential buyers. The portuguese government have decided to sell 39% share of the TAP group -
105 OP3000 : Of those, LH and GOL would probably get the most value out of some operational control over TP. -LH as part of a BRIC growth strategy, and because wi
106 airbazar : Well it appears that LATAM is the stronger candidate. I haven't heard a peep from LH while the media is reporting that the sale to LATM could be done
107 LisbonBearUK : If LATAM have such a large stake, TP are sure to leave STAR and join OneWorld. That would be interesting.....
108 airbazar : Why? No one knows yet which alliance LATAM will stay on. They even hinted at keeping both airlines in seperate alliances. There's also the possiblity
109 LisbonBearUK : So let's just have a round up of the new routes announced from TP so far.... Porto Alegre Manchester Dusseldorf Athens Dubrovnik Bordeaux Vienna Bamak
110 santos : Miami, S. Vicente, and Accra will be announced very soon..
111 LisbonBearUK : I heard it was going to be Banjul and/or Freetown.
112 LisbonBearUK : LAM have apparently confirmed their new Lisbon Maputo service. Aircraft to be used are 763s. I think they will be the only airline using the 767 into
113 Post contains images atalanta89 : euroAtlantic use 763
114 Post contains links santos : I posted this on this forum back in January, reply 29, lol Also Sunwing Airlines from Canada announced that will start flights from Toronto to Lisbon
115 LisbonBearUK : What LIS really needs now is a flight eastwards....DOH or AUH.
116 airbazar : I know this doesn't really count but HiFly will be running charters between LIS and various cities in Japan, all Summer.
117 LisbonBearUK : BHX has dropped off the Ryanair website from OPO for this summer. Sad to see another link go after BRS was scrapped earlier.
118 Dirkou : TAP Administration/marketing seem to continue to work quite well: - They announce 2010 results for the Air Transportation part of the TAP group as a 6
119 Post contains links airbazar : - TP has not yet released it's 2010 results. All you're seeing right now is media commentary about what the results may be. Nevertheless, it's been c
120 Dirkou : Who cares is TAP SA gives a minor profit if the entire TAP SGPS group always posts a loss?
121 airbazar : I wouldn't call 62 million Euros for an airline the size of TP, minor. Lots of people care because that's what's up for privatization (not TAP SGPS),
122 LisbonBearUK : When does the TAP start flying to VIE and ATH?
123 LisbonBearUK : rumours that EZY are to announce an OPO-MAN on another thread. It's about time they expanded a bit from OPO, seems they have let FR get away with it f
124 WINGS : I fully agree with your statement. Easyjet has been too conservative with Porto. Madeira and Azores being too destinations that are in need of more c
125 LisbonBearUK : There's little chance of PDL being serverd by a lo-co - too much protection of SATA by the Azorean govt.
126 Post contains links Dirkou : There is an interesting email/pdf created by TAP ground employees and illustrating how well a 100% state owned company, TAP Portugal, is so badly mana
127 Pyrex : I would like to see those internal contracts one day, see how much TAP SA pays to Groundforce for the maintenance services it provides it, and how th
128 airbazar : I have often wondered that myself but the fact that TP is not the only Groundforce "customer" makes me think that there is less fuzzy math going on t
129 LJ : The press release fails to mention that KL will not have a third daily during the peak Summer season. Basically, the capacity on AMS-LIS will not cha
130 LisbonBearUK : I would imagine AMS will also be one of the new U2 routes from LIS when the base opens this winter.
131 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat...ition%2C+Slams+Airbus+NEO+Decision They mention Virgin, but TAP would fit the description as well... Let's see.
132 LisbonBearUK : Do we think we will ever see a replacement on the LIS-JNB route? SA perhaps with something?
133 airbazar : I seriously doubt it. There's just no demand for it. JNB was a tiny VFR market that only had significant demand during the holidays. I also heard tha
134 LisbonBearUK : I am quite surprised we have not heard anything from EZY yet about their plans for the new LIS hub. Alot of their winter routes are already on sale, b
135 LJ : When did TP announce ACC? I can only recall TP announcing Bamako.
136 LisbonBearUK : they haven't announced ACC as far as I know.
137 Post contains links airbazar : In Portuguese only: http://economia.publico.pt/Noticia/t...oes-para-gana-e-cabo-verde_1486095 TAP doesn't usually make a big deal out of annoucing ne
138 LJ : And they don't announce this in the second largest market from Europe to Ghana....strange airline. What's the connection between Portugal and Ghana?
139 airbazar : None, and even ledd for Mali. Although Ghana is a sizable tourist destinations for Europeans, both of these destinations will rely heavily on connect
140 Post contains links offloaded : This thread got a bit long so apologies if I missed this. I see the tour operators are pushing TACV's first flight out of Beja to Praia on 14 April. h
141 Post contains links santos : Great news for Beja, BMI on behalf of Sunvil Holidays will operate a few charter flights from LHR. TP has not announced ACC yet as the final negotiat
142 LisbonBearUK : Has it been confirmed yet that EZY will be operating solely from T2 at LIS from the beginning of the winter 11/12 timetable?
143 Post contains links santos : Some more updates on the new routes. TP already has more than 100 thousand bookings for the new routes. Miami-24.000 Dusseldorf-17.800 Athens-17.000 V
144 LisbonBearUK : It'll be interesting to see where TP head to next in Africa. My feeling is Nigeria, Gambia or Sierra Leone. All doable with the A320 from LIS. BTW, wh
145 airbazar : ACC unless you're already counting with that. And in Europe, there's a big gap in service between FRA and WAW. I wonder if there's a market for them
146 LisbonBearUK : Any ideas when the metro link to LIS opens? Is it even being built yet?
147 santos : When was the last time you flew to LIS? You surely can't miss the construction work that is going on outside the arrivals hall! They were aiming to o
148 LisbonBearUK : I live in LIS, I see the apparent inaction and lack of movement of construction vehicles everyday at the site you mention..... 2011..hmmm....I'd be su
149 Pyrex : Typical schedule for a TP African flight. I know this maximizes aircraft utilization (they do keep those A320s flying around the clock, don't they?)
150 offloaded : Between 18 July and 5 Sept every Monday Midwest Airlines will fly a 738: MWA1444 SSH OPO 0530 1030 MWA1445 OPO LIS 1130 1215 MWA1445 LIS SSH 1315 1850
151 Post contains links santos : [quote=offloaded,reply=150]Between 18 July and 5 Sept every Monday Midwest Airlines will fly a 738: More info on here: http://www.presstur.com/site/ne
152 BuyantUkhaa : They did some years ago, the stations are structurally complete and covered, that's why you hardly see anything going on at street level. No idea how
153 Post contains links airbazar : There's really no other way to do this. If the flight was to depart LIS 2 hours earlier it may not be attractive enough for connecting passengers. An
154 BuyantUkhaa : I agree that linking it to Campo Grande would have made sense, on the other hand it's not that bad, you still have a nonstop link to the business dis
155 Post contains links santos : That map is not up to date, wikipedia has not updated as most of those plans have been droped since. The Metro will look like this: http://www.metroli
156 BuyantUkhaa : Not sure if one excludes the other, as the Metro Lisboa map only shows approved projects, whereas the Wiki map shows the long-term expansion idea tha
157 LisbonBearUK : Well I won't hold my breath for the opening of the Metro to the airport!
158 Post contains images airbazar : I used to say the same thing back in the late 80's when I was a student at Escola Secundaria Cidade Universitaria. Look at the Metro network today. D
159 LisbonBearUK : Still no news on the new Easyjet base...does anyone else think this might now not be happening?
160 santos : Routes will probably be announced when the winter 2011/2012 schedule goes on sale, only some selected winter sun destinations have gone on sale/ On t
161 LisbonBearUK : Was it not announced as a 'base'? I think so.
162 airbazar : I suspect a lot of things have been put on hold due to the country's financial situation and impending bailout. I wouldn't be surprised if the money t
163 Post contains links LJ : ACC now confirmed. Flights start July 2nd 2011 and will operate 4 weekly. Schedule will be TP261 LIS1750 – 2155ACC 320 x357 TP262 ACC2345 – 0555+
164 Post contains links LisbonBearUK : Sounds like good news; something to finally compete against S4 on the YYZ route next year. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...n-low-cost-airline/a
165 Post contains links LisbonBearUK : http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layo...%20of%20Manchester%20and%20Cardiff So we will see the end of WW's MAN-LIS and FAO-CWL services from the end of
166 yxd172 : Will be interesting to see how this route plays out, as TS already has year-round service, about the same as S4, (albeit usually 1-stop in one direct
167 offloaded : My guess is no-one, unless someone like TOM do a seasonal service. CWL is close enough to BRS. TS flights are now on sale via the GDSs, and in BSP Po
168 Post contains links santos : Sata is to stop LIS-FNC flights at the end of the 2011 summer schedule(10th October), route will be suspended and will only operate in summer 2012 (fr
169 airbazar : Most likely that's the number 1 factor but there are others. FCN is a big tourism market for Europe and Sata has no feed to/from Europe at LIS and th
170 LisbonBearUK : Are there direct flights this summer between PXO and the UK? I heard some charters might be happening.
171 LIPZ : Lufthansa Italia will close LIS-MXP by the end of June.
172 santos : From Atlantic Holidays wesbite: 30 May 11 06 Jun 11 London Gatwick-Porto Santo TOM4110 1450-1920 Porto Santo-London Gatwick TOM4111 1820-2240 1 Weekly
173 LisbonBearUK : Not a surprise what with EZY and TP on the route, covering it pretty much successfully. S4 will also be operating LIS-AGA this summer.
174 Post contains links santos : That's not schedule, but is a charter, they operate a lot of charter flights on behalf of travel agencies. In other news TP launched it's new website
175 LisbonBearUK : Does TP have a plan to completely amalgamate Portugalia into their structure in the near future?
176 Post contains images airbazar : I don't think so. They're a regional subsidiary so I don't think they should. In other news, the FMI and ECB are demanding full privatization for TP
177 YXD172 : Definitely does, a lot more 'chic' than the previous one, and the 'Power Choice' search option looks very interesting, though I only got there out of
178 LisbonBearUK : I now know 2 people who are due to attend the Ryanair recruitment day in LIS on Monday....does this indicate the imminent opening of a base in LIS??
179 airbazar : I don't see a Ryanair base at LIS happening soon. Why? There's no money to subsidize it. We haven't even heard anything more about the supposed EasyJ
180 LisbonBearUK : I doubt they would be having interviews and recruitment days next week in a Lisbon hotel if it was not going ahead!
181 airbazar : Do you know for a fact that it is for a LIS base? They could be hiring for some other station or to start service to LIS but not necessarily to setup
182 LisbonBearUK : Are Air Nostrum going to resume flights between LIS and VLC and IBZ this summer?
183 Post contains links santos : Beja received today the first of 22 (return) flights from LHR today. 49 passangers on board an ERJ-145. Operated by BMI on behalf of Sunvil Holildays.
184 airbazar : Just as I said in reply 181: Ryanair's business model is to rely on local subsidies and I just don't see that money materializing. Good luck to them
185 lppr95 : IATA: BYJ, ICAO: LPBJ
186 LisbonBearUK : TP launched LIS-MAN yesterday, using an A319. Has Bamako and Accra also started now?
187 Post contains links lppr95 : A TP A332 (Reg: CS-TOH) is now operating flight TP257 to Luanda: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP257 I thought that TAP's Africa long haul route
188 tff : BKO starts on June 5th (ie, tomorrow) and ACC starts on July 2nd. From this week onwards, all flights to Brazil have been moved to daylight flights a
189 Post contains images lppr95 : Thanks ttf and welcome to a.net! I had a look to your homepage and noticed that you have very interesting and complete trip reports. I think you shoul
190 Post contains images tff : Thanks, lppr95! I will do so in due time
191 Post contains links and images airbazar : Hadn't seen this commented anywhere. Daily service between BOS and Portugal with US code-shares is pretty significant even if just seasonal. http://po
192 YXD172 : Looks like a good mix of destinations from BOS, both on SATA's side and US's. It's too bad though that they only ticket the US connections to/from PD
193 santos : TP has started MIA and MAN on monday, they have put a picture of the inaugural flight to MIA, water salute recieved...
194 SXDFC : I have a few questions regarding TP.. I apoligize if this has been discussed before. 1.) A350/787 Has TP made a descion yet? 2.) Does TP plan on repla
195 santos : 2.) Does TP plan on replacing the A340s with more A330s? Perhaps the A330-300?[/quote] TP has 8 A350-800 & 4 A350-900 on order-2014 is the initial
196 offloaded : S4 and TP don't really compete on LIS FNC anyway as everything is codeshared and the fares are the same. I read that a TP Airbus hit a car in MOW a fe
197 Post contains links santos : They compete with U2 on that route! WW will open BHX-LIS next year http://www.bmibaby.com/bmibaby/news/...even_new_routes_for_summer_12.aspx
198 airbazar : In hindsight and given the 787 delays this may have turned out to be a good thing but I still think the A350 is too big for TAP when you look at the
199 offloaded : Yes, but sorry perhaps my reply was not clear as it was in response to an earlier post saying TP and S4 completed on the LIS FNC route whereas they r
200 LisbonBearUK : Servisair also handle at FAO - BA and LS among others.
201 LisbonBearUK : Those new timings for BA FAO-LGW are truly terrible. Seems they have thrown the towel in to me, and understandable, given the competition on the route
202 LisbonBearUK : Any news on further expansion from Beja? I am assuming the LHR flights will stop this September?
203 LisbonBearUK : Appaerntly the new TAP LIS-MAN is doing very well indeed, with over 90pc load factor on the majority of flights - let's hope the yields are good, too!
204 LisbonBearUK : FR are to announce some expansion from OPO either today or tomorrow according to another thread.
205 LIPZ : Rumors in Italy speak about new TP's LIS-TRN service by W11/12. Any confirmation from Portugal?
206 Post contains images B742 : There are rumours of TP introducing a OPO link to MAN, however the pending FR announcement may pour water on those rumours. Rob!
207 Post contains links santos : The Angolan government has barred TP from increasing it's flights to LAD. Currently TP serves LAD 10xweekly, from 4th July up to mid September, they i
208 PhotoLPPT : The new government has announced it will privatize TAP by the end of September, so expect some interesting coming weeks.
209 lisbonbearuk : Apparently the metro link to the airport should be opening in December, which is good news.
210 LJ : TAP is rumored to start a 3th daily service to AMS during Winter 2011. The nightstopper will return (TP668/9 operated by a F100)[Edited 2011-07-16 09:
211 lisbonbearuk : Are there arny more long hauls routes planned from TAP for the coming winter timetable?
212 Post contains links santos : TP is adding a 6 weekly on the LIS-VIE route between 7th August and the 4th September, Load factors in August is over 90%. (Was 5x Weekly before) VIE
213 Post contains images airbazar : Well neither was served by TP last year so not surprising?
214 santos : VIE used to be served by Niki although it had a horrible schedule!
215 BuyantUkhaa : I think it was Skyeurope, leaving VIE at 22.00 arriving LIS at 24.00 local, then red-eye on the way back. Any official reaction from the Portuguese s
216 LipeGIG : Just the regular deployment of more flights to Brazil, AFAIK.
217 airbazar : Wasn't that operated by Air Berlin via their hub in Mallorca? Or maybe I'm thinking about Salzburg. No reaction but then again what could they do? Th
218 BuyantUkhaa : Operated by Niki, but a change of flight was necessary. I once flew LIS-PMI-VIE like that, coming back on the Skyeurope non-stop flight. Not much I g
219 lisbonbearuk : Transaero operate weekly to both Funchal and Faro this summer.
220 airbazar : It's a shame that Russia wouldn't allow TP to increase their frequencies. The demand is there. I always said that this flight had the potential to go
221 BuyantUkhaa : Maybe that would be the way to solve the problem of the frequencies, but of course they're using their A330 fleet to the maximum already...
222 airbazar : One A332 was partially freed when Angola also rejected the frequency increase, but you're right, it would be difficult to squeeze another A332 route.
223 Post contains links tp777 : QR and LH have stated that they are not in the race for buying TP Source: http://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/home.php?template=SHOWNEWS_V2&id=498423 R
224 airbazar : And so has TAM. But then again, I won't believe anything until it happens. No one that's interested in buying a business is ever going to annouce the
225 offloaded : I heard from a client with a resort investment in the Alentejo that there is a movement to get ANA removed from running Beja as they are doing very l
226 Post contains links and images SXDFC : What happens IF no one ends up buying TP? Will they be just another fallen flag carrier? Since this is the Portuguese Aviation thread, I figured Id sh
227 LatinThug : WOW - great Pic !!!!!!
228 tff : Not more, but a few less flights to Brazil (as usual) and the return of red-eyes to GRU, GIG and BSB. Those were allocated to increase frequencies to
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