fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14169 times:
The guy deserves what he got for losing his cool, but this is insane. Another example of passengers essentially becoming the authority on terrorist activity on planes.
gingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 853 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14165 times:
Personally, I think I'd be pretty p*ssed if that happened to me...so I do sympathise with the guy. Of course he should have kept his cool, but it does get a bit ridiculous sometimes.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14022 times:
he was arrested for disorderly conduct, not for having a suspicious bagel. I know the news sources are hard up for readers, but I get tired of them creating false or misleading headlines to gain traction. Worse, the the whole article is not listed as an opinion or editorial, but it is full of opinion and editorial.
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Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4783 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13814 times:
What's the point of scanning everything (including people) if then other passengers bother you on the plane for your stuff ? I mean, sure, if he was cracking a match or something like that, but here !
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N809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 175 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13752 times:
And who said the terrorists hadn't already won? The "War on Terrorism" and the "War on Drugs" show stark similarities, neither is succesful and as a result everyone is punished.
Surprise From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 132 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13516 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 3): What's the point of scanning everything (including people) if then other passengers bother you on the plane for your stuff ?
I think that's a very good point. As a gate supervisor post 9/11 I constantly had passengers tell me about "suspicious" people. My answer was pretty much the same each time, "If you have some concrete reason for your suspicions I will be happy to investigate further however at this time I accept the passenger has been through security and have no reason to suspect him/her. If you are uncomfortable flying with them onboard I'll be happy to book you at no charge on the next available flight."
The crew and or gate agents need to take responsibility to defuse what probably is a non issue.
The guy lost his cool and that's why he was arrested. While I understand his frustration he probably should have handled it better. Hopefully he'll get let of with a warning.
wingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13468 times:
The guy was arrested so the crew could save face. I guess that on almost every flight someone could be arrested for interfering with an aircraft when they don't comply with the cell phone rules, or when a tight connecting passenger insists on being the first off a plane. Crew overreacted, passengers overreacted, authorities still have a chance to not overreact. If this guy is actually charged, we are done for as a society. I can't wait for the day I get called out by a passenger for the stuff I bring into the cockpit with me...coolers, bags, food, computers, etc.
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teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1868 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13457 times:
Ok, he should not have reacted like this.
But I would remove from flight and arrest for the same reason the stupid passenger who created this mess by alerting the crew. How can they hear a strange noise with keys and a bagel????
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heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13447 times:
I can understand his frustration in this, but he really should have followed the instructions of he crew. If he had, he probably would have avoided this whole mess.
It is terrible how paranoid everyone has gotten though. Can't say I'm surprised....
wingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13341 times:
Most bagels that come from einstein bagel at DTW could be classified as suspicious. Only bagel shop to ever give me an illness. They said it was the cream cheese....
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AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13067 times:
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2): I know the news sources are hard up for readers, but I get tired of them creating false or misleading headlines to gain traction. Worse, the the whole article is not listed as an opinion or editorial, but it is full of opinion and editorial.
Ah! something remarkably similiar to a.net then! Same thing entirely on a daily basis.
goldenargosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13064 times:
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12982 times:
Arresting this man is a Kafkaesk situation. Totally ridiculous. Obviously, having a high IQ on a US domestic flight can be dangerous and get you in trouble.
707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 537 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12910 times:
Eastern European, over 30. He should be acquainted with the Police State and been careful not to lose his cool or become disorderly.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12805 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16): He was not in a police state, he was in Boston.
As a former resident, I think it's roughly the same thing. In my experience, people there were way more paranoid there than they are in D.C (where I live now). Consider that Boston was the city where the Aqua Teen Hunger Force ads were thought to be "bombs" and where a piece of circuit-board jewelry ignited a mass panic at an airport.
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keuleatr72 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12742 times:
Ok, that guy should have kept a cool head and should have followed the orders of the FA.
But on the other hand, I can understand him. A suspicious Bagel? What a ludicrous allegation!
macsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12610 times:
I just tried to order a suspicious begal and the lady said all they had was plain and raisen. Must have to go to a special bakery to get the suspicious ones!
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12406 times:
Quoting 707lvr (Reply 15): Eastern European, over 30. He should be acquainted with the Police State and been careful not to lose his cool or become disorderly.
He'd be rather too young for that. He's making an all new experience.
This guy was minding his own business, as the article says, and all of a sudden was confronted with a most stupid allegation.
In the US., the right thing to do is call your lawyer and you need a cellphone for that. The other passengers AND the crew created that situation.
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12363 times:
Sorry I have to be the one to point it out, but this is another reason why food portions in the US should get smaller. I mean, a bagel that can look like the size of an explosive? It was essentially bursting out of its wrapper, making ticking sounds (no pun intended).
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6325 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12294 times:
maybe next time i get on a US domestic flight I should say - "That person is a terrorist" there's no way someone can be that fat without wearing a fat suit lined with explosives....and let it go from there...
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12129 times:
Quoting ETStar (Reply 21): Sorry I have to be the one to point it out, but this is another reason why food portions in the US should get smaller. I mean, a bagel that can look like the size of an explosive? It was essentially bursting out of its wrapper, making ticking sounds (no pun intended).
The problem was clearly that the dollop of dough the bagel was made from exceeded 100ml or 3.4 fl oz!! That bakery is clearly AQ linked!
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10873 times:
Ridiculous. Who wouldn't explode with anger if you are told that you are a terrorist because I heard strange things or go to the bathroom frequently? Maybe some Detrol LA might calm passengers who are jumpy about frequent bathroom trips from their neighbor?
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25 col: I have a fealing the Court Case will be rigged. By the time the case gets heard the bagel will have gone hard, dangerous weapon. The cream cheese will
26 BoeingVista: Well it had to happen, the TSA strip you naked electronically or feel you up before you fly, the ONLY thing that they do not currently check is your B
27 HBGDS: I feel for the guy, regardless of his reaction. My firstborn had her diaper checked in harrisburg, PA, seven years ago. Same kid , was just yelled at
28 Quokka: Sorry but the rules do not allow explosives to be brought aboard the aircraft. Please leave your anger at the gate. Perhaps we need a trash can at th
29 ETStar: Now the question is, was your firstborn carrying a bagel with cream cheese? Along with nail clippers, bagels are about to be put on the no fly list.
30 tigerotor77w: That no one has mentioned this shows just how overlooked this is among the rest of the nation. Look past the horrors that accompany terrorist events
31 gaystudpilot: Agree. However I'm all for legalizing drugs and therefore ending the "war on drugs." That solution does not apply to terrorism. Interesting though th
32 ikramerica: Are you a journalist? I'm not. I dont use drugs. Please explain to me how I'm being punished in the war on drugs? I don't see it. In reality, they ar
33 tharanga: No, he shouldn't have disobeyed the FA, but really, what percentage of the time does such disobedience result in arrest? I'm more sympathetic to this
34 BN747: Yep, it all started to go down hill when that one transcon had to divert and landed in PHX - due to a suspicious smell - turned out to be some (embar
36 zalemam: People are so ridiculous these days, the corporate news agencies keeps scaring them, and the useless Department of Homeland Security just adds more cr
37 planesmith: Amen to all that - I guess all passengers must in future travel naked and without baggae... - Ummm - isn't that the city where pub collections helped
38 CharlieNoble: I see the irony that you are trying to point out, but I'm not sure how it is relevant. Unless you are trying to suggest that what one demographic gro
39 RP TPA: Arrested for having a "suspicious bagel?? If he were carrying a biali, he might have been shot on sight!!
40 EDICHC: Won't it be the bagel that is toast to make it go hard? Joking aside, this was badly handled by both parties. The prof though will lose out in the en
41 braynfeeble: Buddy, next time have a nice hot glass of tea and relax.
42 cc2314: Stories like this one seem to happen weekly.Is it almost time for a dedicated forum on internal flight stupidity in the us? The us government are clea
43 md80fanatic: The root cause of all this insanity? The US government. It is they who pound this ridiculous fear mode into everyone. Scared people see a gun when all
44 PGNCS: Correct. The worst example is this passage: "Milatovic, who is a mathematics and statistics professor at the University of North Florida, was minding
45 r2rho: Wait a minute, it is completely impossible that this man could have carried dangerous items with him - after all, don't we go through all these extens
46 banjo76: Well, don't know what happened actually, but usually airlines allow the use of cell phones till the doors are closed. What if the doors where still op
47 trex8: If the FA asks you to do something which may be reasonably construed as involving the safety or proper running of the aircraft, which isn't clearly o
48 moose135: So you would be in favor of arresting all the A.net photographers who shoot pictures during takeoff or landing after been told to turn off all electr
49 AADC10: The TSA at ORD opens my carry-on bag because of the Polish sausage I often buy in Chicago. I wonder if they do that to Denny Hastert. I have seen unru
50 macsog6: OK Moose, take your toy 135 and go to your room. I loved it.
51 Sankaps: Just like flying is a privilege, right? Either you have the right to make a call (if the doors are open), or you do not (when the doors are closed ex
52 Woof: A single bagel amongst 200 donuts by the sound of it.
53 trex8: The ability to make the call is entirely up to the airline, there are no laws saying you must be allowed to do so, though there are laws saying when
54 Kaiarahi: Well, at least I now have a great line if I ever come across a comely TSA agent: "Hey, you wanna feel my bagel?"
55 CharlieNoble: The Gov't may be the root but to continue the analogy I suspect it is the media hype watering ithat makes it what it is.
56 Sankaps: Let's use an analogy to make my point more clear: The US constitution gives a citizen the *right* to vote and to bear arms. Lawmakers can take way th
57 Quokka: Rights to using a phone and rights to flying on aircraft are not the same and should not be confused. While any person may have a right to attempt to
58 ikramerica: Think of a movie theater. There is no right to make a call there, and in fact, if you are talking on the phone during the film you can be asked to le
59 Sankaps: That is because you are breaking the rule and abusing your "right" to make calls. But because rights have limits does not make the rights into privil
60 banjo76: I would not focus too much on rights or privileges, we can debate as long as we want, what I find inacceptable is that some passenger has a bad sleep
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