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Pax Arrested On US Air Flight For Suspicious Bagel  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7188 posts, RR: 86
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16117 times:
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The guy deserves what he got for losing his cool, but this is insane. Another example of passengers essentially becoming the authority on terrorist activity on planes.   

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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16113 times:

Personally, I think I'd be pretty p*ssed if that happened to me...so I do sympathise with the guy. Of course he should have kept his cool, but it does get a bit ridiculous sometimes.


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15970 times:

he was arrested for disorderly conduct, not for having a suspicious bagel. I know the news sources are hard up for readers, but I get tired of them creating false or misleading headlines to gain traction. Worse, the the whole article is not listed as an opinion or editorial, but it is full of opinion and editorial.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15762 times:

What's the point of scanning everything (including people) if then other passengers bother you on the plane for your stuff ? I mean, sure, if he was cracking a match or something like that, but here !


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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15700 times:

And who said the terrorists hadn't already won? The "War on Terrorism" and the "War on Drugs" show stark similarities, neither is succesful and as a result everyone is punished.

User currently offlineSurprise From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15464 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 3):
What's the point of scanning everything (including people) if then other passengers bother you on the plane for your stuff ?

I think that's a very good point. As a gate supervisor post 9/11 I constantly had passengers tell me about "suspicious" people. My answer was pretty much the same each time, "If you have some concrete reason for your suspicions I will be happy to investigate further however at this time I accept the passenger has been through security and have no reason to suspect him/her. If you are uncomfortable flying with them onboard I'll be happy to book you at no charge on the next available flight."

The crew and or gate agents need to take responsibility to defuse what probably is a non issue.

The guy lost his cool and that's why he was arrested. While I understand his frustration he probably should have handled it better. Hopefully he'll get let of with a warning.


User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

The guy was arrested so the crew could save face. I guess that on almost every flight someone could be arrested for interfering with an aircraft when they don't comply with the cell phone rules, or when a tight connecting passenger insists on being the first off a plane. Crew overreacted, passengers overreacted, authorities still have a chance to not overreact. If this guy is actually charged, we are done for as a society. I can't wait for the day I get called out by a passenger for the stuff I bring into the cockpit with me...coolers, bags, food, computers, etc.


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User currently offlineteva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15405 times:

Ok, he should not have reacted like this.
But I would remove from flight and arrest for the same reason the stupid passenger who created this mess by alerting the crew. How can they hear a strange noise with keys and a bagel????



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15395 times:

I can understand his frustration in this, but he really should have followed the instructions of he crew. If he had, he probably would have avoided this whole mess.

It is terrible how paranoid everyone has gotten though. Can't say I'm surprised....


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15370 times:

How do you spot a suspicious Bagel?
Does it not look Yeddish enough?  



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User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15289 times:

Most bagels that come from einstein bagel at DTW could be classified as suspicious. Only bagel shop to ever give me an illness. They said it was the cream cheese....

Wingnut



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15015 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
I know the news sources are hard up for readers, but I get tired of them creating false or misleading headlines to gain traction. Worse, the the whole article is not listed as an opinion or editorial, but it is full of opinion and editorial.

Ah! something remarkably similiar to a.net then! Same thing entirely on a daily basis.


User currently offlinegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15012 times:

I say the whole thing's a schmear campaign   

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9150 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14930 times:

Arresting this man is a Kafkaesk situation. Totally ridiculous. Obviously, having a high IQ on a US domestic flight can be dangerous and get you in trouble.

He should have put a burger in his bag.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14910 times:

perhaps he should have offered the FA a bagel.  

User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

Eastern European, over 30. He should be acquainted with the Police State and been careful not to lose his cool or become disorderly.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14810 times:

He was not in a police state, he was in Boston.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14753 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
He was not in a police state, he was in Boston.

As a former resident, I think it's roughly the same thing. In my experience, people there were way more paranoid there than they are in D.C (where I live now). Consider that Boston was the city where the Aqua Teen Hunger Force ads were thought to be "bombs" and where a piece of circuit-board jewelry ignited a mass panic at an airport.


User currently offlinekeuleatr72 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14690 times:

Ok, that guy should have kept a cool head and should have followed the orders of the FA.
But on the other hand, I can understand him. A suspicious Bagel? What a ludicrous allegation!


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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14558 times:
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I just tried to order a suspicious begal and the lady said all they had was plain and raisen. Must have to go to a special bakery to get the suspicious ones!  


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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9150 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14354 times:

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 15):
Eastern European, over 30. He should be acquainted with the Police State and been careful not to lose his cool or become disorderly.

He'd be rather too young for that. He's making an all new experience.
This guy was minding his own business, as the article says, and all of a sudden was confronted with a most stupid allegation.

In the US., the right thing to do is call your lawyer and you need a cellphone for that. The other passengers AND the crew created that situation.

Like I said before, Kafkaesk.



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

Sorry I have to be the one to point it out, but this is another reason why food portions in the US should get smaller. I mean, a bagel that can look like the size of an explosive? It was essentially bursting out of its wrapper, making ticking sounds (no pun intended).

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7150 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14242 times:

maybe next time i get on a US domestic flight I should say - "That person is a terrorist" there's no way someone can be that fat without wearing a fat suit lined with explosives....and let it go from there...

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4691 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14077 times:
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Quoting ETStar (Reply 21):
Sorry I have to be the one to point it out, but this is another reason why food portions in the US should get smaller. I mean, a bagel that can look like the size of an explosive? It was essentially bursting out of its wrapper, making ticking sounds (no pun intended).

The problem was clearly that the dollop of dough the bagel was made from exceeded 100ml or 3.4 fl oz!! That bakery is clearly AQ linked!


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2978 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12821 times:

Ridiculous. Who wouldn't explode with anger if you are told that you are a terrorist because I heard strange things or go to the bathroom frequently? Maybe some Detrol LA might calm passengers who are jumpy about frequent bathroom trips from their neighbor?


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25 col : I have a fealing the Court Case will be rigged. By the time the case gets heard the bagel will have gone hard, dangerous weapon. The cream cheese will
26 BoeingVista : Well it had to happen, the TSA strip you naked electronically or feel you up before you fly, the ONLY thing that they do not currently check is your B
27 HBGDS : I feel for the guy, regardless of his reaction. My firstborn had her diaper checked in harrisburg, PA, seven years ago. Same kid , was just yelled at
28 Post contains images Quokka : Sorry but the rules do not allow explosives to be brought aboard the aircraft. Please leave your anger at the gate. Perhaps we need a trash can at th
29 ETStar : Now the question is, was your firstborn carrying a bagel with cream cheese? Along with nail clippers, bagels are about to be put on the no fly list.
30 tigerotor77w : That no one has mentioned this shows just how overlooked this is among the rest of the nation. Look past the horrors that accompany terrorist events
31 gaystudpilot : Agree. However I'm all for legalizing drugs and therefore ending the "war on drugs." That solution does not apply to terrorism. Interesting though th
32 ikramerica : Are you a journalist? I'm not. I dont use drugs. Please explain to me how I'm being punished in the war on drugs? I don't see it. In reality, they ar
33 tharanga : No, he shouldn't have disobeyed the FA, but really, what percentage of the time does such disobedience result in arrest? I'm more sympathetic to this
34 BN747 : Yep, it all started to go down hill when that one transcon had to divert and landed in PHX - due to a suspicious smell - turned out to be some (embar
35 413X3 : You don't pay taxes?
36 zalemam : People are so ridiculous these days, the corporate news agencies keeps scaring them, and the useless Department of Homeland Security just adds more cr
37 planesmith : Amen to all that - I guess all passengers must in future travel naked and without baggae... - Ummm - isn't that the city where pub collections helped
38 CharlieNoble : I see the irony that you are trying to point out, but I'm not sure how it is relevant. Unless you are trying to suggest that what one demographic gro
39 RP TPA : Arrested for having a "suspicious bagel?? If he were carrying a biali, he might have been shot on sight!!
40 EDICHC : Won't it be the bagel that is toast to make it go hard? Joking aside, this was badly handled by both parties. The prof though will lose out in the en
41 braynfeeble : Buddy, next time have a nice hot glass of tea and relax.
42 cc2314 : Stories like this one seem to happen weekly.Is it almost time for a dedicated forum on internal flight stupidity in the us? The us government are clea
43 md80fanatic : The root cause of all this insanity? The US government. It is they who pound this ridiculous fear mode into everyone. Scared people see a gun when all
44 Post contains links and images PGNCS : Correct. The worst example is this passage: "Milatovic, who is a mathematics and statistics professor at the University of North Florida, was minding
45 r2rho : Wait a minute, it is completely impossible that this man could have carried dangerous items with him - after all, don't we go through all these extens
46 banjo76 : Well, don't know what happened actually, but usually airlines allow the use of cell phones till the doors are closed. What if the doors where still op
47 trex8 : If the FA asks you to do something which may be reasonably construed as involving the safety or proper running of the aircraft, which isn't clearly o
48 Post contains images moose135 : So you would be in favor of arresting all the A.net photographers who shoot pictures during takeoff or landing after been told to turn off all electr
49 AADC10 : The TSA at ORD opens my carry-on bag because of the Polish sausage I often buy in Chicago. I wonder if they do that to Denny Hastert. I have seen unru
50 Post contains images macsog6 : OK Moose, take your toy 135 and go to your room. I loved it.
51 Post contains images Sankaps : Just like flying is a privilege, right? Either you have the right to make a call (if the doors are open), or you do not (when the doors are closed ex
52 Woof : A single bagel amongst 200 donuts by the sound of it.
53 trex8 : The ability to make the call is entirely up to the airline, there are no laws saying you must be allowed to do so, though there are laws saying when
54 Kaiarahi : Well, at least I now have a great line if I ever come across a comely TSA agent: "Hey, you wanna feel my bagel?"
55 CharlieNoble : The Gov't may be the root but to continue the analogy I suspect it is the media hype watering ithat makes it what it is.
56 Sankaps : Let's use an analogy to make my point more clear: The US constitution gives a citizen the *right* to vote and to bear arms. Lawmakers can take way th
57 Quokka : Rights to using a phone and rights to flying on aircraft are not the same and should not be confused. While any person may have a right to attempt to
58 ikramerica : Think of a movie theater. There is no right to make a call there, and in fact, if you are talking on the phone during the film you can be asked to le
59 Sankaps : That is because you are breaking the rule and abusing your "right" to make calls. But because rights have limits does not make the rights into privil
60 banjo76 : I would not focus too much on rights or privileges, we can debate as long as we want, what I find inacceptable is that some passenger has a bad sleep
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