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Boeing's Year End Numbers For 2010  
User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Some stellar looking numbers for Boeing in 2010 certainly in the orders. 530 new orders. Extraordinarly good. The delivery numbers were lower than last year but still good.

Source:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1576

When the numbers are crunched, Boeing is buoyed only by one machine the 737, the others didn't even reach 50 net orders combined!!

Not a single update on the 787. How frustrating. I fear the worst for the Dreamliner. Another year delay, staggered out of course, as is the norm for Boeing.

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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Quoting ebbuk (Thread starter):
Some stellar looking numbers for Boeing in 2010 certainly in the orders. 530 new orders. Extraordinarly good. The delivery numbers were lower than last year but still good.



Very good performance! And to think that less than two years ago leasing companies and analysts demanded a more rapid production rate. Boeing and Airbus has done a fantastic job in keeping production stable, securing jobs and reshuffling delivery schedules through out the recession. These numbers show that despite criticism this was the right call.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6875 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

This certainly shows that Boeing cannot stand pat on the 737; they must launch either a new plane or re-engine the old one. They certainly cannot afford to lose ground in this market. But I had thought the KE 748i order was this year; looking it up I discovered that it was last December.


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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

So Boeing edged across the 500 mark with the last B737 order from CIT for 38 frames. Nice rabbit.
CIT Orders 38 737s (by LAXDESI Jan 4 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Great year for the B737, and reasonably good for the B777 (though with a smaller backlog of some 30 frames).

Boeing has a chance to win the order race since Airbus only has about 506 "known" net sales. We'll know in a week.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
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Well, the 737 has had a stellar year.   

Net sales by model:

737 = 486  Wow!

747 = -1 (two cancellations added in last week)

767 = 3

777 = 46

787 = -4

While Boeing will be more than happy with the 737 sales, the widebody totals must be very disappointing, just 44 net. To put that number in perspective, Airbus net widebody sales to end November were 160.



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User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 2):
This certainly shows that Boeing cannot stand pat on the 737

Quite agreed.

A year is a long time in Aviation. Can Boeing really expect even half the orders for 737s this year? And who is going to shell out big cash for T7s or 767s with the imminent arrival of new metal (well mostly carbon fibre) from Boeing themselves and Airbus. No slots for the 787 till the end of the decade. The Dreamliner looking like a loss making venture for it's first 800 planes produced.

It seems this year, Boeing did the same thing Airbus did when their product line was found wanting. Sell a huge number of narrowbodies. Unquestionably with massive concessions.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
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Delivery numbers for the year:

737 = 376

767 = 12

777 = 74

Total = 462



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Boeing is planning to increase 777 production over the next couple of years.. THis is in no doubt to support 777 orders that will be part of 787 delay compensation so I will expect a good uptick in 777 orders for 2011. Once the 787 is certified and has entered into service by the middle of this year I also expect that that aircraft will also see an uptick. The 747-8 I think is another story.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
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Quoting ebbuk (Thread starter):
When the numbers are crunched, Boeing is buoyed only by one machine the 737, the others didn't even reach 50 net orders combined!!

The 777 has a good year with 76 gross orders. So it's clear the type is still in demand with customers. The financial collapse of both DAE and JL accounted for over half of the 30 cancellations, so if they survive, they could very well be back to order again.

Guggenheim also appears to have suffered some money crunches, cancelling their two 747-8Fs and selling two of their 777F deliverry slots to FX. The 747-8Fs are evidently completed and were to be leased to Korean Air Cargo, so I am guessing we will see an order for two from KE in the near future (taking their direct order for the model to 7).


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Anyone know who cancelled the 747?

And did anyone notice that the single 787-8 ordered in December for an unidentified customer has RR engines? Wonder who that is...


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Anyone know who cancelled the 747?

Guggenheim Aviation Partners. They were the owners of two of the 747-8Fs currently on the flight line at PAE and were to be leased to KE, so I expect KE will buy them directly.



Quoting PM (Reply 9):
And did anyone notice that the single 787-8 ordered in December for an unidentified customer has RR engines? Wonder who that is...

It was a 787-8 VIIP, so I am guessing someone's Christmas Bonus was missing a few zeros at the end.  


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Guggenheim Aviation Partners.

Thanks.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
Guggenheim also appears to have suffered some money crunches

This is interesting...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...7-jet-order-because-of-delays.html

“The cancellation was a direct result of the delays and the commercial consequences of those delays.”


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Delivery numbers for the year:

737 = 376

767 = 12

777 = 74

Every 737 with CFM and every widebody except one with GE.  Wow!


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3908 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 11):
“The cancellation was a direct result of the delays and the commercial consequences of those delays.”

With the aircraft complete, I expect GAP have paid a significant bulk of the contract price to Boeing, and yet with the delays, they are not seeing any income. So I could see them working with Boeing and KE to place the aircraft directly as a sale and then cancel their order and have their monies refunded or applied to the three 777s they still have on order (per Boeing's site).


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
“The cancellation was a direct result of the delays and the commercial consequences of those delays.”

Then they made all those progress payments for nothing. Curious why they would cancel when their aircraft is almost complete and all it needs are engines and modifications.



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User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
It was a 787-8 VIIP, so I am guessing someone's Christmas Bonus was missing a few zeros at the end.

Maybe they are buying flight test a/c 4?


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3830 times:

Were the 777 cancellations in December from the Arik Air 30-Mar-07 order, or was it someone else?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3830 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Then they made all those progress payments for nothing. Curious why they would cancel when their aircraft is almost complete and all it needs are engines and modifications.


I believe the Unfilled Orders report is not up-to-date, as Boeing shows four 777 orders (1 77W and 3 77Fs) and we know two 77Fs have been sold to FX (I am assuming these are delivery positions). So in theory that leaves one 77F still on order and moving the 747-8F payments over to it probably helps any cash-flow situation at GAP.


User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3784 times:

Just saw Xiamen Airlines is looking to place an order for 6 787s, so this might be the year that the widebodies orders increase. At least to the point the cover the cancellations.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 16):
Were the 777 cancellations in December from the Arik Air 30-Mar-07 order, or was it someone else?

There weren't any 777 cancellations in December.  


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21501 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 4):
While Boeing will be more than happy with the 737 sales, the widebody totals must be very disappointing, just 44 net. To put that number in perspective, Airbus net widebody sales to end November were 160.

I don't know. Considering the delays again for the both the 748 and 787, that they basically washed out in sales rather than suffering major net losses is a win. A pretty sad win, but considering how badly things could have gone, it's not the worst case.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
There weren't any 777 cancellations in December.

Weren't there three 777 cancellations and one 787 cancellation in mid-December? Or am I just confused?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3745 times:
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 16):
Were the 777 cancellations in December from the Arik Air 30-Mar-07 order, or was it someone else?

Arik Air cancelled three 777-300ERs and seven 737s in December.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 21):
Arik Air cancelled three 777-300ERs and seven 737s in December.
Quoting WestWing (Reply 21):
Or am I just confused?

No, it's me, I'm afraid. Sorry.  

For some simple-minded reason I was going by the current Boeing spreadsheet which, of course, only refers to part of the month.

But I missed the Arik cancellations. That's interesting...


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3713 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 23):
But I missed the Arik cancellations. That's interesting...

It now looks like W3 has two 77Ws, eight 738s and seven 789s on order.

Any word on if they, too, are struggling financially?


25 Post contains images frigatebird : Well, I knew of at least one member who must believe the 77W's are cancelled because they like their A345's so much But seriously, I wouldn't be surp
26 Aesma : Well, if your airline is not bankrupt, there is no reason to cancel at this point, you have a contract way below current price, and you get compensat
27 manfredj : You wrote such a nice piece and then had to ruin it with this. Another year, "staggered" out of course. Please.
28 AirlineCritic : Boeing has now realized that the early pricing was a mistake. But I don't see why the salespeople wouldn't be on a good mood. They probably laughed a
29 ebbuk : The line "another year, staggered out of course, as is the norm..." is my fear not fact. Please.
30 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Careful, now. You're using logic (and realistic logic, at that) on A.net, when the conventional wisdom is that Boeing is "desperate" for new widebody
31 SEPilot : Because if they lose significant market share in the narrowbody segment they will have very anemic sales across the board, even when they start deliv
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