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Russian Junior Hockey Team Booted Off Delta Flight  
User currently offlinevirgin747 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 319 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16301 times:

Less than 24 hours after winning the gold in Buffalo, this happens..



An unruly Team Russia was booted from a flight at the Buffalo airport Thursday morning while trying to get home after winning the gold at the world junior hockey championship the previous night.

Airport spokesman C. Douglas Hartmayer says all 32 or so members of the Russian contingent were asked to get off a Delta flight headed to Atlanta after boarding for takeoff.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stor...-russians-plane.html#ixzz1AHMDDN20

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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3338 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16254 times:

Good, unruly people on any flight should not be tolerated.
Would you want to be next to them for 1+ hours? Does not matter if it is a sports team or a single person.
Well done Delta.   



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User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15884 times:

Can't say as I blame Delta, it would appear these boys partied hard last night.
I wonder when they were re booked? Time to sober up.
Shame on their adult supervision for alowing this to happen, clearly NY state laws were being broken here.
How were they even alowed to board in the first place?



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

Also culture is differentt.
US airline crews tend to see happiness/unruly behaviour in a very different way then lets say a Russian crew flying BKK to Moscow...

Having done a few Swedish charters to Thailand when no other tickets were available and once a BKK-Moscow leg on SU I must say that I can understand that the culture clash was rather big. For those of you that haven't done a BKK-Moscow leg I recommend it, think singing and dancing contests in the aisles, bottles going round, people drinking until they fall and you'll get the picture. Its wild and rather interesting just don't expect to sleep...

American crews tend to be fairly uptight over drinking as it is and 30 plus Russian teenagers celebrating gold isnt exactly what they are used to. I doubt a domestic American crew had ever seen anything like it before.

I assume it was like one of the stag groups flying east or the teenage groups flying down to the Mediterranean beaches. Wild, noisy, unruly and very very drunk. Most of these flights would never be allowed to depart if Europe followed American standards on when drinking was considered a safety problem on airlines...

Russians celebrating are best handled by SU or other Russian airlines.



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14530 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
American crews tend to be fairly uptight over drinking as it is and 30 plus Russian teenagers celebrating gold isnt exactly what they are used to. I doubt a domestic American crew had ever seen anything like it before.

Let's not stereotype in this forum. If 20% of the passengers are inebriated on a flight that departs at 6AM, the "American crew" was probably thinking about the comfort of the other 80% of passengers who wanted to rest or travel in peace to Atlanta. I doubt Lufthansa or BA would have tolerated this behavior either. One or two drunk people on board - no problem, but 20% of the manifest is a different story.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
US airline crews tend to see happiness/unruly behaviour in a very different

US airline crews see happiness in a very different way? What in the world does that mean?

[Edited 2011-01-07 01:04:35 by ManuCH]


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13825 times:

The flight crew must've been Canadian   


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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 6):
US airline crews see happiness in a very different way? What in the world does that mean?

It means that in the US less levels of alcohol is usually considered drunk when flying. Happiness/unruly as my post said is subjective. the difference in how its judged differs between nations and for us frequent international travellers the difference is very noticeable. Nothing good nor bad just different culture.

If you compare the level of drunkeness thats allowed in Russia/Europe compared to the US there is a noticeable difference. I believe thats cultural.
And on flights to typical holiday/stag party destinations from Europe/Russia its more unruly in general than what I would think any US FA have ever seen.

Different culture. Different part of the world, different norms. We should be happy for that, would be boring if the entire world was the same on everything.

And as mentioned do fly BKK-Moscow and you'll see a wonderful example of this and at the same time get a great memory.
I believe others have made trip-reports about these flights, check them out.

I am also sure that he other 80% of the passengers were very thankful for not having the Russian team singing, dancing and cheering onboard.



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User currently offlineskoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 440 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12549 times:

What they failed to mention in the news article is that several members of the team destroyed the "Sky Priority" lane at gate 23 by vomiting all over it... they boarded the flight and the gate agents and the captain deemed them unfit to fly so they were kicked off.

Nothing that doesn't happen at other airlines on a daily basis


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Quoting skoker (Reply 10):
What they failed to mention in the news article is that several members of the team destroyed the "Sky Priority" lane at gate 23 by vomiting all over it... they boarded the flight and the gate agents and the captain deemed them unfit to fly so they were kicked off.

Its really a shame the police weren't called. The article states that all the players 20 years of age or younger. Should have made everyone of them take a breathalyser, and haul the offending parties off to jail to sleep it off. There is absolutely no reason to put 30 people who aren't legal to drink, but yet still drunk, on an airplane.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

This is a rare occasion where I praise Delta Airlines.
I can only imagine how hectic it was for the crews to deal with this. Glad none of the crew or airport staff was beaten up over this. If these hockey players and their fans are anything like the Russian football hooligans, these crews are lucky they weren't beaten.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
Also culture is differentt.
US airline crews tend to see happiness/unruly behaviour in a very different way then lets say a Russian crew flying BKK to Moscow...

Having done a few Swedish charters to Thailand when no other tickets were available and once a BKK-Moscow leg on SU I must say that I can understand that the culture clash was rather big. For those of you that haven't done a BKK-Moscow leg I recommend it, think singing and dancing contests in the aisles, bottles going round, people drinking until they fall and you'll get the picture. Its wild and rather interesting just don't expect to sleep...


There is a lot of nationalist attitudes laced in with their sports which often turns extremely violent.
A few years ago, Japan's football team beat Russia in Moscow and a race riot broke out and anyone that didn't look Russian was beaten in broad daylight by fans and neo-nazi skinheads.
There was another violent race riot in Moscow last month that stemmed from a football game. Violent nationalist surrounding sports in Russia is a serious problem.
Officials in Russia are very concerned about hosting the Olympics in Sochi in 2014 and Moscow 2018.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
American crews tend to be fairly uptight over drinking as it is and 30 plus Russian teenagers celebrating gold isnt exactly what they are used to. I doubt a domestic American crew had ever seen anything like it before.


True, American crews can be uptight about a lot of minor things but this is a case were their reactions were justified.

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 6):
Let's not stereotype in this forum.


Not a stereotype, especially when dealing with their sports teams and their fans.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 9):
If you compare the level of drunkeness thats allowed in Russia/Europe compared to the US there is a noticeable difference. I believe thats cultural.


Hell I drink just as much as any Russian but never get unruly. Just usually fall asleep easier or just quietly enjoy the flight.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 9):
And as mentioned do fly BKK-Moscow and you'll see a wonderful example of this and at the same time get a great memory.
I believe others have made trip-reports about these flights, check them out.


I saw this first hand several years ago on a BKK-SVO flight on an Aeroflot IL-96.
These aren't even hockey players either.

Superfly Completes Trip Around The World (by Superfly Jul 10 2006 in Trip Reports)#1



[Edited 2011-01-06 23:31:52]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11647 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 1):

Good, unruly people on any flight should not be tolerated.
Would you want to be next to them for 1+ hours? Does not matter if it is a sports team or a single person.
Well done Delta

Congratulations to the Russian team for their come from behind victory but readytotaxi said it best. And, may I add my 2 cents and I hope DL makes the team pony up for any change fees and the disruption of their operations. If you get sloshed on the sauce or whatever other substance is out there and you become a public nusciance which could very well lead to a safety hazard then, you gotta pay the piper. Meaning getting your ass tossed of your flight. And of course this goes to those celebrities who think that their you know what smells like Obsession Mr. Fergie Josh D. is a recent example. I hope that poor bus driver and the hotel this team stayed in don't have to put up with them again.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Quoting YYCowboy (Reply 2):
Can't say as I blame Delta, it would appear these boys partied hard last night.

I bet that party would have made Kaner jealous.



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10987 times:

I am not much in sports (besides my gym).
So I guess Delta was right.
TSA/airport and state authorities were right not to raise the issue by arresting the guys.
Drinking is allowed in Russia from 18. Though authorities could arrest them based on state law.
The game was extremely dramatic.
And I am glad that all parties involved demonstrated enough understanding.

Difference in culture? Don't overestimate.
Having lived in the US for year, I'd say it's the same culture.
The difference is that partying in the States is always inside/on property.
In Russia the law prohibiting drinking in public was passed like a year ago.
It is being implemented - but gradually.
Same relates to drinking on board: it's not allowed - but so far tolerated.

A few years ago I was beaten (well, not severely) by British football fans in Playa Las Americas in Tenerife.
They were drunk - and didn't care that I was not a football fan and had no idea who lost in their domestic championship.
Just wrong place/wrong time.
Things happen.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10848 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
A few years ago I was beaten (well, not severely) by British football fans in Playa Las Americas in Tenerife.


That is horrible!

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
I am not much in sports (besides my gym).


I'm with you on that.
I never understood the amount of wasted energy that goes in to sports by the fans. I thought that Dallas Cowboys and Oakland Raider fans were the worse fans but after seeing Russian sports hooligans and British hooligans at bars abroad during the World Cup, I was really taken back.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
The difference is that partying in the States is always inside/on property.


That is true.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
In Russia the law prohibiting drinking in public was passed like a year ago.
It is being implemented - but gradually.
Same relates to drinking on board: it's not allowed - but so far tolerated.


On my brief visit to Russia, I liked that alcohol was everywhere and you can walk down the street drinking a beer. The problem is with the violent drunks and not every drinker turns violent.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

I don't drink for 15 years. And I have never used drugs.
And it is....hard.
I don't remember what holiday spirit is - and this is sad.
That is why, Superfly, I am leaving for Koh Lanta on 1/21 for 1 week and Cambodia jungle bungalow for another week.
This is my understanding of holiday....at 45.
But tomorrow doesn't belong to me - it belongs to those 18 year olds.


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
I saw this first hand several years ago on a BKK-SVO flight on an Aeroflot IL-96.
These aren't even hockey players either.

I think you were just trying to sneak a pic of the red head's cans, and this was in the background 


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10381 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 15):
I think you were just trying to sneak a pic of the red head's cans, and this was in the background

Nah, she was way too skinny for me.
There was a hottie on that flight but she was sitting way up front.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9540 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
On my brief visit to Russia, I liked that alcohol was everywhere and you can walk down the street drinking a beer.

You would like New Orleans also then  
Quoting Mudboy (Reply 15):
I think you were just trying to sneak a pic of the red head's cans, and this was in the background

Classic. And quite a coup that would have been.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):
I don't drink for 15 years. And I have never used drugs.
And it is....hard.
I don't remember what holiday spirit is - and this is sad.
That is why, Superfly, I am leaving for Koh Lanta on 1/21 for 1 week and Cambodia jungle bungalow for another week.
This is my understanding of holiday....at 45.
But tomorrow doesn't belong to me - it belongs to those 18 year olds.

I hear you there brother. Between that and the constant texting I feel really out of touch with the "young people" LOL.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9426 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):

I saw this first hand several years ago on a BKK-SVO flight on an Aeroflot IL-96.
These aren't even hockey players either.

What's wrong with it? I thought this will be the standard pax position on 9 abreast Dreamliners. Show it to MoL - he will like it, 500 pax in 738 this way...


User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 8):
The article states that all the players 20 years of age or younger. Should have made everyone of them take a breathalyser, and haul the offending parties off to jail to sleep it off. There is absolutely no reason to put 30 people who aren't legal to drink, but yet still drunk, on an airplane.

But in Russia, the drinking age is 18. AFAIK, they are not subject to US age laws when it comes to consuming alcohol. Now since they made a scene and disturbed other people, than they could be charged with any number of US laws for disturbing the peace, but I don't think they could be charged with underage drinking.

It's like in my job for the USAF, people 18-20 can drink when we go on the road in Europe b/c the drinking age is only 18.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 19):
But in Russia, the drinking age is 18. AFAIK, they are not subject to US age laws when it comes to consuming alcohol

They are when they are in the US. Our country, our rules.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 19):
But in Russia, the drinking age is 18. AFAIK, they are not subject to US age laws when it comes to consuming alcohol.

Why would they not be subject to the laws of the state that they are in? If you or I travel to a foreign country, are we not subject to their laws?



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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Except for the issue of seat availability, why would they go back to Moscow via Atlanta when they are a stone's throw from JFK? And why Delta? Maybe the two Russian airlines flying from JFK know all too well what to expect from this kind of group.

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Definitely any person entering the US should obey US/state laws.
In case of foreign sportsmen it also applies.
They would not be able to buy alcohol.
But I think nobody would bother them when they they drank in the evening/night.

US authorities got pretty reserved in applying local laws to visitors after Atlanta Olympics.
If you remember: 2 French citizens were arrested for having oral sex as it was prohibited by an ancient GA law.
French threatened to leave Olympics - and those man and woman were released.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 3):
Also culture is differentt.
US airline crews tend to see happiness/unruly behaviour in a very different way then lets say a Russian crew flying BKK to Moscow...

Hah working my first Dubai - Moscow flight was a definite definite eye opener for me. What a scene!! I remember my colleague had to rush through the cabin with the duty free cart as people kept attacking her trying to get the liquor!!



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25 mayor : Now I hear that the group has been split, one going via JFK and the other via ATL.
26 Post contains images aquila3 : Well, people, give those boys a break! Having been a junior hockey player (thanks God!) , I know what's all about. You play hard an then party and dri
27 nws2002 : We tend to be uptight about drinking because it's a federal aviation regulation (121.575). Sure there might be some subjectivity involved, but there
28 DiamondFlyer : No, they are most defiantly subject to our rules, while in our country. Why would they not be? -DiamondFlyer
29 TU204 : No. Drinking of STRONG (Крепкие) alchaholic beverages is prohibited in public. Public intoxication aswell. But you can drink beer in public as
30 PHLwok : I always warn my staff when they travel abroad that ignorance of local laws is never an acceptable excuse to break them. And if they don't know what
31 ikramerica : No. We are supposed to excuse their behavior why? Because they are athletes, 20, or what? I was an athlete, and I was 20, and I did stupid things in
32 mayor : Apparently, you don't realize that the armed forces in the U.S. is an all volunteer force. What kind of an example would that be to our own young peo
33 spacecadet : Unless they were also diplomats, they were subject to US laws while in the US. If murder was legal in Russia, would it be okay for them to come here
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