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DL- Date For MD90 Avod And 757 Interior Mod  
User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15277 times:

Well the date has finally been announced when the MD90 will be getting new Panasonic AVOD IFE. It is starting 11/11.

The 757s will be configured as follows:

Aircraft with 6 Doors (Minus the TATL Birds) - will be 28F and 164Y

Aircraft with 8 Doors (Minus the TATL Birds) will be 28F and 158Y

There was some other interior fleet announcements too

including increasing seating on the 319

and

the future of the 7 767-300G aircraft (former Gulf Air) if they will stay in the fleet or not.

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15249 times:

Interesting. Do you happen to know when the overhead bin mods for the PMNW 752s are supposed to begin? The current bins are VERY small.


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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15225 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Thread starter):

Also noted was the 7 parked 76Qs will be back into the fleet.

and the 330 fleet will get lie-flats and new a AVOD system

Quoting nwa757boy (Thread starter):


the future of the 7 767-300G aircraft (former Gulf Air) if they will stay in the fleet or not.

and if they do they will get the same seats as the 76U/L/T fleet.



yep.
User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15187 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
Interesting. Do you happen to know when the overhead bin mods for the PMNW 752s are supposed to begin? The current bins are VERY small.

Nothing was stated, but I am assuming all new PSUs and overheads, but that is just me assuming.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15152 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 2):
Also noted was the 7 parked 76Qs will be back into the fleet.

and the 330 fleet will get lie-flats and new a AVOD system

Was the type of lie-flats for the A330s specified? Let's hope its the same product as the 747s....


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15136 times:

Would someone be so kind as to list the 767-300 subfleets? As I understand it, the 76As are the domestic aircraft and the 76Ts are the longer-range aircraft used on JFK-CAI, JFK-AMM, SEA-PEK, etc. But beyond that, I just get confused. So many subfleets...


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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15117 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Would someone be so kind as to list the 767-300 subfleets? As I understand it, the 76As are the domestic aircraft and the 76Ts are the longer-range aircraft used on JFK-CAI, JFK-AMM, SEA-PEK, etc. But beyond that, I just get confused. So many subfleets...

76Q and 76P are the domestic 767s and also do west coast Hawaii.

the 76L is the basic 767

the 76T does the longer missions
The 76U is a wingletted 76L
the 76G is the 767 from Gulf Air. with 6 Doors and 2 overwing exits.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15028 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 6):
76Q and 76P are the domestic 767s and also do west coast Hawaii.

Specifically, 76P refers to one of the four ETOPS domestic 763s that fly to Hawaii, while 76Q refers to the non-ETOPS domestic 763s.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15032 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 4):


Was the type of lie-flats for the A330s specified? Let's hope its the same product as the 747s....

nope, just said they just got the green light from the BOD to put lie-flats and new AVOD system on the 32 330s.



yep.
User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4971 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15001 times:
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Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 4):
Was the type of lie-flats for the A330s specified? Let's hope its the same product as the 747s....

My guess is the herringbone BE flat bed seats (hopefully the 744 version as opposed to the 777 version) will go on the A330s as the Thompson Vantage BE seats (on the 767s) will mean that not every pax will have direct aisle access (one of Delta's biggest marketing points).
Both AY and LX have the Vantage flat seats on their A330s and there are alternate rows in a 2-2-1 configuration (meaning some passengers will need to 'climb over' the aisle seat pax.).


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14951 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 6):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):

OK, that helps a lot. Thanks. So are the 76Gs used on any specific missions, or do they rotate throughout the whole system?

Also, was it mentioned when the parked 76Qs will be back? Will it happen by summer?



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14939 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 9):

i posted before,

"Delta asked the court at a hearing Nov. 17 to dismiss the lawsuit and determine that it doesn’t infringe the patent on the Solar Eclipse seating system. The case had to be decided before Delta could add the seats to a planned 30-million pound ($46.6 million) retrofit of 32 aircraft in 2013, the airline’s lawyer, Mark Vanhegan said."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...n-suit-over-first-class-seats.html

Also I'll post some dates for yall

744 mods- 9/11 to 6/12
757 mods- 4/11 to 6/12
76Q/P mods- 1/11 to 6/11
76T mods- 12/10 to 6/11
76U/L mods- 6/11 to 2/13
764 mods- 11/10 to 6/11
777 mods- 10/10 to 7/11

so that should put to rest the 744 will have lie-flats in APR.....

[Edited 2011-01-06 12:00:06]


yep.
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14923 times:

I'm really interested to see how fitting 192 people in a 2-class 757 will be like. Besides the obvious seating room issues, room for everything using anything else, like luggage, galleys, and lavatories is going to be tightened. All these DL cabin mods are obviously going for maximum 2-class capacity, and something has got to give, I assume in this case comfort.

User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Thread starter):
Aircraft with 6 Doors (Minus the TATL Birds) - will be 28F and 164Y

Aircraft with 8 Doors (Minus the TATL Birds) will be 28F and 158Y

There was some other interior fleet announcements too

Any word on whether or not they would standardize the ETOPS/TATL 757 fleet?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 11):
76U/L mods- 6/11 to 2/1

Is that until 2/12 or 2/13? I think I remember hearing the 76U/L will be done in 2013, although I could be wrong.



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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14786 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
Is that until 2/12 or 2/13? I think I remember hearing the 76U/L will be done in 2013, although I could be wrong.

EST end time is 2/2013.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 13):
Any word on whether or not they would standardize the ETOPS/TATL 757 fleet?

No Changes for the ETOPS/TATL 757 fleet.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4762 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14751 times:

A330s will get herringbone. TBD on inward or outward facing, but as of last November there definitely was an internal preference.

767s will get an interior mod beyond the lie-flat/slimline/avod modification.

757s will also get overhead mods on birds that don't already have them. Easy addition of 1 coach row is achieved by moving to slimlines on the birds.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14727 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 16):
767s will get an interior mod beyond the lie-flat/slimline/avod modification.

From what I heard, the 744 and 763ER will be getting new overhead pivot bins similar to those on the 764ER and 777. I am not sure if it will be a true Boeing Signature Interior or some aftermarket product though. I believe that the overhead bin extensions on the 757 fleet were by Heath Tecna.



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User currently offlineflavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14709 times:

Is one to assume that with these changes to the 757's they will be getting the AVOD upgrade as well? What about the other fleets besides the MD-90's? Any word on when the A-320 series will be getting AVOD?

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14688 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Reply 18):
Is one to assume that with these changes to the 757's they will be getting the AVOD upgrade as well? What about the other fleets besides the MD-90's? Any word on when the A-320 series will be getting AVOD?

I'm pretty sure the 757s will get the Panasonic eFX system with the new lightweight Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors, which uses a modified Weber 5751 slimline seat. I know this is what the MD-90s will get.

Nothing has been stated for the A319/A320 fleet yet.



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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14643 times:

I think if the 757s were getting and upgraded IFE (i.e. NO IFE to Overhead monitors or AVOD or Overhead CRTs to AVOD) it would of been stated in the latest release.


The 320s are not getting and mods at this time nor the 319 in relation the IFE.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1190 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Seriously? the former NW TA 75's wont get anything done?

User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 21):
Seriously? the former NW TA 75's wont get anything done?

Thats what the Memo said.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4971 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14526 times:
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Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 15):
No Changes for the ETOPS/TATL 757 fleet.

Yikes, those 75As really need to have some work done....


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14438 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 12):

I'm really interested to see how fitting 192 people in a 2-class 757 will be like. Besides the obvious seating room issues, room for everything using anything else, like luggage, galleys, and lavatories is going to be tightened. All these DL cabin mods are obviously going for maximum 2-class capacity, and something has got to give, I assume in this case comfort.


Edit: Didn't see the 164 thing. Yep, looks like coach will be tight.

Let's also note that new Atlas galleys will be the standard on all a/c it seems (the ones getting mods done). One thing I noticed that no one mentioned was Y+. They are saying the mod is complete on all 75Es. Has anyone had a chance to ride on one and see how it is? They did say seat pitch AND recline would increase. Service is one thing that was not publicly announced just yet and the whole Y+ PR thing won't come out until some time in 2011.

I will say this much. This is very ambitious on DL's part and it only makes me wonder what in the world is going on over in Dallas. Lots and lots of work ahead. All new interior for the 763ERs including curved ceilings and new bins, MD90/88 re-work to be completed by March and December of this year respectively, new galleys, new crew rest, Y+ to be completed on the int'l fleet by June of this year it looks like. Nose to tail AVOD on more than half the fleet.

Good or bad DL, they are spending money to improve the pax experience and FINALLY align the fleet.

[Edited 2011-01-06 13:51:46]


What gets measured gets done.
25 papatango : What is the source of this info?
26 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Delta executives and fleet management . It's an internal memo. Just read it.
27 Post contains links and images seabosdca : I have this sinking feeling this will be the "767 Enhanced" interior with curved shelf bins, as shown below, not the Boeing Signature Interior or equ
28 cokepopper : Worse in the fleet next to the 744
29 FlyAA757 : Does anyone know the RTS dates for the 76Q's? IMHO, they are badly needed and will help reduce congestion by bringing frequencies back to reasonable l
30 eraugrad02 : What happened to the idea of doing the slant seating arrangement 8 abreast seating on 767's? Desmond in ILM,
31 1337Delta764 : I remember seeing an official rendering that showed a DL 744 interior with overhead pivot bins. I don't think it will be much different for the 763ER
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : That plan had been shelved a while back. Not going to happen. At least not on any of DL's 767s.
33 FL787 : Anyone know if it's true that the 764s are getting lower lobe crewrests? That's what the memo states but I was not aware that the 764 could fly for ov
34 7673mech : The Boeing Signature one is ideal. There is one from Heath Techna - Hawaiian has it on the 4 aircraft they acquired from Delta. The picture you show
35 nwa757boy : The 333 and 332 already have a Lower lobe crew rest. I'm not sure why they are re-doing the 332 crew rest unless its for the pilots. The current pilo
36 MKEdude : Will the re-fits on the 744s include AVOD? And when will that get underway?
37 n7371f : Yes, that's already been decided and included in the retrofits that begin after this up-coming summer's flying. AVOD and every seat.
38 flavio340 : To our Delta IFS experts: Have you heard any thing regarding Delta re-introducing hot meals on domestic flights of 2-2.5 or 900+ miles?
39 FSDan : Still no one has mentioned when the 76Qs will be returning to service. Was that announced? I hope it will happen by summer.
40 seabosdca : IIRC that was the one AA got for the front half of their 763ERs. I don't really care that much about PSUs (although the Boeing Signature ones are cle
41 n7371f : 124 was already taken out of storage and is going through its HMV prior to RTS on 4/12/11. 121 is next to come out, soon, for same process and summer
42 deltal1011man : Well it said the mods will be done 6/11 so i assume they will all be back by then. IIRC 3 birds are already on the way back.
43 FlyASAGuy2005 : Caleb did here However, a specific date was not set. What should be noted is that the 76Q reconfiguration will begin this month and should be complet
44 nwa757boy : Now, I am just assuming here, and connecting Dots from my talks with IFS VPs and SVP. Since they are putting Ovens BACK IN MD88s, There will be hot m
45 jr : Dallas? Or did you mean Atlanta?
46 timf : This is pure speculation, but it is possible that as the 76Ts go in for the lie-flat J modification the Y seats are getting swapped out for 5751s wit
47 n7371f : That would seem to make sense.
48 FlyASAGuy2005 : No I meant Dallas. AA continues to sit on their hands and drag ass. In another thread, someone asked why up to now they have been taking forever with
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yes, indeed. A lot of things were done to cut costs and at the time I guess they felt the removal of the ovens was such a great idea to save on weigh
50 n7371f : Hot meals will return on flights that currently serve (cold) meals. That's been in the works for a year now. Not sure if the start date will be once
51 Dalmd88 : Where are they putting a new oven in the 88? I don't recall installing an oven in the new galley mod. Does G2 have a single oven for FC?
52 flavio340 : Thanks for the info. Now for the $50,000 question: What about the 72 E-175/CRJ-900 sub fleet with ovens?
53 nwa757boy : New Oven is near 1R...not sure if that is GU2 or not, but there is a single oven for First class.
54 n7371f : My understanding was Delta yanked the ovens from the NWA Airlink jets. Delta's CR9 & E75 fleet did not have ovens at the time of the merger &
55 Post contains images FSDan : And the proof is in the 757 fleet.
56 nwa757boy : There are still ovens in the Compass 175s and Mesaba CR9s
57 TrijetsRMissed : With MD-90 AVOD install beginning 11/11, the next question is when will the project be complete? If DL does indeed get 80 frames, I imagine this coul
58 deltal1011man : nah wont take long, once they get a line up and going and get the STC and everything the birds will likely get AVOD before the come on line.
59 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not really. They may very well have the cabin mods done as they enter the fleet and the MTC side of things is brought up to Delta specs/standards. Th
60 deltairlines : Should start about a year from now, depending on the speed of the M8R reconfiguration. Exact timely won't come down until a better idea around the M8
61 Post contains images SkyPriorityDTW : Well, at least there are going to be 3 or 4 different types of layouts now as opposed to 6 or 7. It's amazing though how I ALWAYS have to gate-check
62 FlyAA757 : Can anyone post a summary of all the changes, and new fleet seating?
63 FlyASAGuy2005 : My thoughts exactly. With everything seemingly certified now (FINALLY) it would be pointless for them to put the old seats in when the a/c will be si
64 1337Delta764 : With a Y+ cabin, how is it possible to have the same seating configuration? I assume the Weber 5751 slimline seats will be used, however, what will b
65 seabosdca : Does this mean that all the a/c will be able to do 12+ hour flights after the mods are complete, with no need for a separate 76T fleet? Including the
66 ATLflyer : What are Atlas galleys and how are they different from regular galleys? I'm not so sure the 77Es will get reverse herringbone at all. In the recent p
67 dl767captain : At the flyertalk convention DL thing they had said they would be the reverse herringbone but I agree that doesn't seem to be happening
68 KingAir200 : Must be going with slimline seats then. I don't know how else you could put more seats in a 319. They must be planning on putting 10 seats back in Y
69 1337Delta764 : I was wondering, does anyone know when will N624AG enter service and what will be its seating configuration? Will it be configured the same as the ex-
70 FlyASAGuy2005 : Slimline seats which will be the fleet standard when everything is said and done. Yes and no. See below. Should have been more clear. When I said sam
71 DLMD90 : Awesome run down, thanks! So if these mods are complete, anyone sat in this section yet? Have details about pitch? increased recline? etc?
72 FlyASAGuy2005 : I asked the very same question. DL never released specifics. All they said was that the section will offer both increased pitch and recline. Also sai
73 Post contains links DL_mech : Quoting B747-437B (Is he still on here?) from Flyertalk: Galley equipment comes in 2 basic universal standards - namely ATLAS and KSSU. These have th
74 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Very concise. A did a little research not too long ago but didn't come up with THIS much info Thanks
75 TrijetsRMissed : DL haven't exactly set the standard with MD-90 onboarding and conversions thus far. I hope you guys are right and the mods are done within a year or t
76 Transpac787 : No, as the 76L/76U fleet does not have the cockpit bunkroom, nor does it have the IGW weights of the 76T fleet. 76L MGTOW is 407,000#, 76T MGTOW is 4
77 dl767captain : Kind of off topic but has DL said anything about possibly moving Y+ to the domestic fleet if it's found successful in the international fleet?
78 FSDan : If it proves to be a success on international flights, I would not be surprised if they put it on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO at the very least.
79 FlyASAGuy2005 : It's on there already, as all 75Es have had the Y+ mod done.
80 FSDan : Oh, OK. Do the 75Es that do transcons from JFK rotate on international routes as well, or is there a separate subfleet just for JFK-LAX/SFO?
81 seamefly : 36" pitch. First choice of meals...
82 panamair : Yes, all JFK-LAX/SFO are the 75Es (except for the occasional sub due to MX or WX, etc.) The rest of the 75E fleet is also used on some JFK-Europe fli
83 FlyASAGuy2005 : They are rotated throughout the system. They also end up in ATL and do turns through PIT and PHL.
84 FlyASAGuy2005 : Although it will only be found on int'l a/c for now, this is definately a good move on Delta's part. Same pitch as UA. Anything less would have been
85 washingtonian : Interesting developments....I'm surprised Delta would decide to change the A-330s when they have relatively new seats and AVOD already, while the A-32
86 1337Delta764 : The same argument could actually be made for the Weber 5150 seats on the 764ER, which also feature winged headrests. However, DL can simply add more
87 dl767captain : Except the Biz Elite seats aren't true lie flat bed seats so changing them will allow DL to standardize their fleet
88 DLMD90 : Meals? Are they serving meals on domestic economy flights?
89 PSU.DTW.SCE : No they have not said anything, and with all of the work going into mod'ing the domestic fleet over the next two years, the answer appears to be no.
90 seamefly : I meant on int'l flights.... I never said it was for dom.
91 DLMD90 : gotcha. I was thinking JFK-LAX/SFO but after realized those 75's are used INTL-thanks
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