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QX Q400's Replace RJs FAT-SEA/PDX  
User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Well, end the speculation.... Looking at the April schedules, the Q's replace the CRJ 700s on routes out of Fresno to both Portland and Seattle. Flight times are 2:20 to SEA and 2:01 to PDX. That's about 15 minutes over and above the current flight times.

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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Add that to LAX-LAP and LAX-LTO that changed to Q400s last year. LAX-LAP is especially a longer route for a Q400.

What about SEA-LGB and SEA-SBA? Those are also the subject of speculation.


User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

and BUR-PDX for that matter, that is a flight that I take a few times a year on the CRJ700s.

User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

From what's on the Alaska website, SBA and LGB are still 700's in April.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
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Good to see QX is retaining FAT.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
LAX-LAP is especially a longer route for a Q400.

No matter how much free beer they give me, I'd never ride a Q400 for 3+ hours. Never.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1738 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4410 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 5):
No matter how much free beer they give me, I'd never ride a Q400 for 3+ hours. Never.

Maybe you'll get lucky and fly on the short-term leased Q400 from Lynx (Frontier) that has only 72 seats and seats that recline!


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4374 times:

Add YVR to that list. No more mainline flights between SEA and YVR effective 04Jan11.


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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 7):
Add YVR to that list. No more mainline flights between SEA and YVR effective 04Jan11.

The SEA/YVR route has switched between QX only and a QX/AS combination several times before. I've noticed that with the SEA/PDX route also. There wll be no 737 flights on the route one month, then 3 or four the next, and then back to zero again.



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User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 7):
Add YVR to that list. No more mainline flights between SEA and YVR effective 04Jan11.

This is a route much better suited to Q400s. It is way too short for mainline, with barely enough time for FAs to hand out customs forms in Y.


User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

They only need customs forms for SEA-YVR.. maybe they receive them while boarding?? I wonder if that flight even gets near 10,000 feet!


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Possible silver lining? Maybe QX will now realistically start thinking about extending the Q400 flights to Fresno a bit further south to, oh I don't know, how about San Diego? This is what I've been waiting for. Come on route planners at QX/AS, let's think outside the box and give it a shot!

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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 6):
Maybe you'll get lucky and fly on the short-term leased Q400 from Lynx (Frontier) that has only 72 seats and seats that recline!

No. I won't be on a Q400 on a 2+ hour flight.

Quoting BooDog (Reply 8):
I've noticed that with the SEA/PDX route also. There wll be no 737 flights on the route one month, then 3 or four the next, and then back to zero again.

Mainline hasn't been scheduled on the SEA-PDX route in a very, very long time. It may have flown a few extra flights when there was all that flooding a few years back, but I don't recall. AS used to send a 737 up to YVR since it was cheaper to fly it up there and park it, than it was to just park it at SEA. Same with GEG.

Quoting USXguy (Reply 10):
They only need customs forms for SEA-YVR.. maybe they receive them while boarding?? I wonder if that flight even gets near 10,000 feet!

Yes it does. SEA-BLI cruises at 12k. On QX they hand the customs forms out when they check your passport or at the gate prior to boarding.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Possible silver lining? Maybe QX will now realistically start thinking about extending the Q400 flights to Fresno a bit further south to, oh I don't know, how about San Diego? This is what I've been waiting for. Come on route planners at QX/AS, let's think outside the box and give it a shot!

You can only hope! LOL! Happy New Year!

Quoting MattRB (Reply 7):
Add YVR to that list. No more mainline flights between SEA and YVR effective 04Jan11.

The mainline YVR-SEA may come back for the summer season.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
No. I won't be on a Q400 on a 2+ hour flight.

Your choice. You can fly an AS 737 from LAX-SJD and then take a four hour bus ride back to LAP if it makes you happier. Or you can suck it up for 2+ hours in the Q400 and get their quickly and efficiently. Same with PDX-BUR. If you don't like the Q400 (if they eventually put it on the route), you can take WN from PDX-OAK-BUR then and turn a 2 hour flight into maybe a 5 hour day, maybe. Enjoy those nice reclining seats (except on the 4 hour bus ride you'd have to take from SJD-LAP since you'd refuse to fly that far on a Q400).

I don't necessarily prefer a Q400 over a 737 either, but I'd personally much rather suck it up and just get to my destination much faster without extra connections or driving to a farther airport.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
Same with PDX-BUR. If you don't like the Q400 (if they eventually put it on the route), you can take WN from PDX-OAK-BUR then and turn a 2 hour flight into maybe a 5 hour day, maybe.

Well, seeing how I have no need or desire to go to La Paz that's a moot point. And with PDX-BUR, I have 10 options on WN, six of which are around 3 hours of flight time.

If you enjoy flying on that miserable plane, all the more power to you. They're fine banging around the northwest and are a decent plane on the shuttle flights, if you can get the first two rows or last two rows.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 15):
Well, seeing how I have no need or desire to go to La Paz



Actually, I quite enjoyed La Paz (been to both of them). LTO is cool too. It's much more authentic, less touristy, beautiful Malecon and close to some excellent kayaking than the fake touristy part of SJD. Of course, I went when there was no LAX-LAP flights (between when AS discontinued it the first time, and reinstated it the second time). So it was the four hour bus ride from Cabo to LAP.

My girlfriend's ski club is doing RNO-SEA on WN in February. For some reason, they didn't get on the one non-stop so are going via OAK. It's a six hour trip. Later that evening, we'll fly back on the QX Q400 is less than two hours nice and non-stop.

Of course AS/QX should be aware that they lost the business of this large group ski trip because they charge a first bag fee, and WN does not, but that's another story. Since I didn't requalify for AS elite this year (took a year off of heavy travel), we would have chosen WN too if it weren't for the less convenient times of their non-stop. I never would have dreamed of choosing WN over AS or QX but it's going to start happening now only because of their first bag fee.

It costs $40-80 in bag fees just to ski (depending upon whether you can get the rest of your ski clothing in a carry-on) and QX advertises themselves as a ski airline.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1738 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
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Get used to the Q400's.

Horizon just finalized a sub-lease deal for 8 more CRJ-700's to SkyWest and Atlantic Southeast to operate as Delta Connection.

Horizon is suppose to now accelerate the delivery of 8 Q400's from 2012 to 2011 to replace the CR7's on a one-for-one basis.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 17):
Horizon just finalized a sub-lease deal for 8 more CRJ-700's to SkyWest and Atlantic Southeast to operate as Delta Connection.

So when does the last CR7 now leave the QX fleet?

Then we'll learn was QX will do with SEA-SBA, SEA-LGB and other routes like the aforementioned PDX-BUR. I'm guessing that SEA-SBA will be retained with the Q400. LGB is less certain. It apparently doesn't work with an AS 737 or they wouldn't have switched it back to all QX (and given up the slots to B6).

Quoting MattRB (Reply 7):
Add YVR to that list.

Of course YVR still gets mainline jets on AS from LAX. I flew an MD-80 from YVR-SEA once after getting off of CX. I think he said he got up to about 24,000 feet. I was also about a 24 minute flight. Very scenic on a sunny day. The captain announced that he wasn't going to bother to turn off the seatbelt sign due to the duration of the flight.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1738 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
So when does the last CR7 now leave the QX fleet?

This latest deal should leave QX with 5 CR7's - 3 leased and 2 owned. And, as we all know, they want the remaining CR7's out of ops asap.


User currently offlineav8ajet From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

How many CR7's will this leave QX after these 8 leave the fleet?


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):
And, as we all know, they want the remaining CR7's out of ops asap.

Yeah, that's what I've been hearing. Are they really that bad?


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Flew the Q PDX-OAK-PDX then PDX-STS a few weeks later.
One of the legs got swapped to a CRJ7 and it was at least 25minutes faster, maybe 40?

the FAs were all excited that the trip would be much quicker.

It's really tough to choose Horizon to the Bay Area when UA or WN can get me there faster.
My flight last week SFO-PDX was on a packed 757 on UA. Just really tough to take an extra 30 minutes for the same routing on a slower plane for me.



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User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
Yeah, that's what I've been hearing. Are they really that bad?

No. They're great planes, but the Q400 beats them handily on many missions. Ultimately, QX is going for the cost savings of operating a single type.

I'd expect to see AS sign a CPA with another carrier for a handful of jets (with F class) to operate the SEA/PDX-SoCal routes flown by QX today. Maybe even OO/EV flying former QX planes...


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
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Quoting sxf24 (Reply 23):
I'd expect to see AS sign a CPA with another carrier for a handful of jets (with F class) to operate the SEA/PDX-SoCal routes flown by QX today. Maybe even OO/EV flying former QX planes...

AS would have to obtain approvals from their pilot union(s) first before any new CPA flying were to occur outside of QX.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 22):
Flew the Q PDX-OAK-PDX then PDX-STS a few weeks later.
One of the legs got swapped to a CRJ7 and it was at least 25minutes faster, maybe 40?

the FAs were all excited that the trip would be much quicker.

It's really tough to choose Horizon to the Bay Area when UA or WN can get me there faster.
My flight last week SFO-PDX was on a packed 757 on UA. Just really tough to take an extra 30 minutes for the same routing on a slower plane for me.

If you're the flier that enjoys free wine and beer, then QX may not be such a bad option afterall.


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