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World's Most Dangerous Airport Landing & T/O  
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20724 times:

I ran into this article about the World's Most Dangerous Landings and Takeoffs and offcourse Juliana Int'l comes in first place. There are videos linked to each airport. The Videos are fun to watch.

Have a look at Courchevel Airport!!! Is this for real? I mean how the hell do you land on that airport?

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/video...erous-airport-landings-271097.html

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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20716 times:

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Have a look at Courchevel Airport!!! Is this for real?

It is.

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
I mean how the hell do you land on that airport?

What I want to know is what happens if you miss the approach or the landing becomes bad, can you do a go-around?


User currently offlinelovejt8d From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19304 times:

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Have a look at Courchevel Airport!!! Is this for real? I mean how the hell do you land on that airport?

This is a cool topic and lots of fascinating, dangerous airports world-wide. I believe there is one that even beats Courchevel. It's Lukla Airport in North Eastern Nepal. Once you're over the edge.....you're over the edge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzing-Hillary_Airport

There are great Youtube videos on the takeoffs/landings and documentaries.


User currently offline9LFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18978 times:

I hate when people put Juliana and dangerous in the same sentence. sure there is a mountain range but you have plenty of runway and time to avoid them. try KCRW. Built on top of a mountain with drop offs on both sides. a little more dangerous than tncm.....


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User currently offlinetjcab From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18978 times:

lukla airport in nepal - VNLK

saba airport - TNCS

[Edited 2011-01-07 16:29:53]

User currently offlinetjcab From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18776 times:

Quoting tjcab (Reply 4):
This is a cool topic and lots of fascinating, dangerous airports world-wide. I believe there is one that even beats Courchevel. It's Lukla Airport in North Eastern Nepal. Once you're over the edge.....you're over the edge.

yeah, and not much of a missed approach safety margin


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18776 times:
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Quoting tjcab (Reply 4):
lukla airport in nepal - VNLK

That was the first one which occurred to me as well , I concede that SXM looks dramatic but I don''t think it is particularly dangerous .



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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18584 times:

I would think that Toncontin International Airport (TGU) in Honduras and Madeira Airport (FNC) in Spain, would both be far more dangerous than SXM.

TGU landing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8
FNC landing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiQQtBsRCpc

[Edited 2011-01-07 17:16:02]


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18450 times:

I feel like Madeira is overrated. It's very interesting how they built the runway, but that's about it. The turn to final at DCA is closer/lower to the field and that's a shorter runway.

User currently onlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7494 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18417 times:

Commercial pilots consistently rate Toncontin International in Tegucigalpa, Honduras - MHTG/TGU as the most challenging, dangerous airport with regular multiple airline service. I mean, how many runways have had fatal overrun accidents by USAF C-130 aircraft?

SXM/TNCM is usually in the top 10, or top 15. More from the danger of the people on the beach and the road at the runway end makes pilots want to come in a little high. SXM does not have an ILS - not unusual in the tropics - but for the number of heavies it receives, it is short.

Lukla and Saba and St Barts are also extremely challenging as commercial airports - but each is limited to a relatively few types of aircraft with very special training requirements.

TGU and SXM take almost all types of aircraft. There is no required training for SXM, most airlines have required training for TGU. Also TGU is not really usable at night for landings. Too many checkpoints for turns are visual and pilots need to be able to see the mountains. SXM is usable anytime the visibility is high enough.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 1):
What I want to know is what happens if you miss the approach or the landing becomes bad, can you do a go-around?

No - you crash.

Courchevel and Lukla both have an approach which is at a near right angle to the runway. Only if the pilot is sure he is stable and in the right position does the make the sharp turn to final. Then he must land unless he can turn back close to 90 degrees before the mountains on the sides close that option. Both airports only have a mile or so for lining up with the runway.


User currently offlineColAvionLover From Panama, joined Dec 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18371 times:
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And what about Quito's (UIO)?
I know the runway is pretty large and have ILS and all that thing but, have you seen the approach?
I've flied several times on my FS and, it's a very hard approach.

Another super airport with a very dangerous approach is Innsbruck in Austria. (INN)
The airport is about 3,000 ft A.S.L. in a valley surrounded by the Swiss Alps with a height of about 8,000 - 12,000 ft!
Also flew to that airport in FS and, unfortunately, crashed in the landing. Well, i didn't crashed but didn't landed on the runway   .

I think Juancho E. Irausquin (SAB) might be considered by its super short runway, but its approach an landing, might not be that bad, just to have the skills and be able to fly there.

There are another airports but I wanted to rescue this ones, the ones which I think have dangerous approach & T/O.

The other ones I think also have dangerous landings & t/o are already mentioned above: Courchevel (CVF) & Lukla Airport (LUA).

[Edited 2011-01-07 16:55:54]


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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18331 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 8):
The turn to final at DCA is closer/lower to the field and that's a shorter runway.

DCA was rated "most challenging to land at" by pilots in a Conde Nast Poll back in the 90s. I wonder where it stands today?



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User currently offlineColAvionLover From Panama, joined Dec 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18227 times:
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Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 11):
I wonder where it stands today?

As far I know, in a report like the one above of the most challenging airports, a months ago, this one (DCA) is also included.



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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17912 times:

Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 12):

As far I know, in a report like the one above of the most challenging airports, a months ago, this one (DCA) is also included.

Thank you!  



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User currently offlinetrystero From Portugal, joined Oct 2008, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17907 times:

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 7):
Madeira Airport (FNC) in Spain



Sorry, Madeira is Portugal, not Spain...

On the St. Jean on the Caribbean island of Saint Barthélemy airport, the first plane to be seen is a single engine t-tail. Can someone help me identify what a/c it is?



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17787 times:

Quoting trystero (Reply 14):
On the St. Jean on the Caribbean island of Saint Barthélemy airport, the first plane to be seen is a single engine t-tail. Can someone help me identify what a/c it is?

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User currently offlinetrystero From Portugal, joined Oct 2008, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17745 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 15):



thanks



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User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17237 times:

I think SDU beats most of the airports receiving airlines mentioned above.
With two parallel runways, the longest one with only 1323m (4340 ft), receiving B738s and A319s, no ILS approaches, Sugar Loaf facing runway 20, a tight visual approach to runway 02 (left turns) and water on both ends of the runway... Well, it can be quite scary from a pilot's perspective.

[Edited 2011-01-07 17:55:09]

[Edited 2011-01-07 17:56:04]

User currently offlineAKLRNO From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16644 times:

Technically it's not an airport, but tour airplanes fly from Mt. Cook, New Zealand onto the Cook glacier. You land heading uphill (using skis) on the glacier with a major mountain in front of you. For departure the plane does a U-turn and accelerates down the glacier and flies off the edge. Actually it's a combination of skiing, flying and dropping of the edge for the first few seconds. Fun!

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16287 times:

Whenever this topic comes up, I add this one:

Mile Hi airstrip, Idaho: source: Mountainflying.com


500 ft long, 30 ft wide, 100 ft vertical gain (or loss). I've skied lesser ski slopes.


Quote:
CAUTION: Most of the strip cannot be seen during takeoff. The prudent pilot will make mental notes of the area during the approach and landing, then visually inspect the area on foot in order to maintain runway alignment during the takeoff. Use extra vigilance.

Source: www.mountainflying.com

Rampart


User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16255 times:

Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 10):
Another super airport with a very dangerous approach is Innsbruck in Austria. (INN)
The airport is about 3,000 ft A.S.L. in a valley surrounded by the Swiss Alps with a height of about 8,000 - 12,000 ft!
Also flew to that airport in FS and, unfortunately, crashed in the landing. Well, i didn't crashed but didn't landed on the runway .

The same happened to me!
The problem with INN, is that it is in a valley, the approach is very difficult

Quoting DanVS (Reply 17):
Well, it can be quite scary from a pilot's perspective.

Yes it is!

Quoting tjcab (Reply 5):
yeah, and not much of a missed approach safety margin

Because of this airport , I want to go someday to Nepal!

About SXM , if Corsair can fly theirs 747 , is because it is safe.

[Edited 2011-01-07 18:50:35]


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2855 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15466 times:
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Santos Dumont must be close to the top but on the one approach going around Christ, heading into Sugarloaf with an ultra sharp left bank.. Then a slide into home plate is TOTALLY worth it!


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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

Should Jackson Hole be listed, especially in winter?

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14726 times:
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YTZ should be in that list. Short runway, Second steepest ILS in the world with water on all sides and buildings or smoke stacks that you have to avoid upon takeoff.


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User currently offlinemattrockIND From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

If nothing else, watching YouTube videos of AA 752s landing at TGU shows you what kind of aircraft the 752 is. For a casual flyer/traveler, it's more than a little impressive to watch pilots finagle that final approach. Do any of the pilots on the forum like/dislike this airport because of that?

25 CobraManeuver : one scary place to land your bird.
26 Western727 : Concur. Not to say Madeira isn't an interesting place to land - it very much is - but "dangerous" doesn't enter the mind. The TAP 330 video linked fr
27 Western727 : Friend of mine who used to fly for AA (skippers 717s for FL now) once said of TGU: "you always wanted a cup of coffee before flying the approach".
28 rampart : Yes, but the valley is wider than ASE. I'm not aware of aircraft restrictions at Jackson Hole that they do have at Aspen. GUC Gunnison/Crested Butte
29 cabochris : Toncotin is just dirty, just dirty. Although it has improved slighty in the last few years with the removal of the knol where you turn final and navig
30 jwenting : Saba isn't too bad. It's just short and as it's on a cliff you have to carefully watch your altitude over the water on your approach. St. Barths is a
31 intsim : Hello, I once was riding in an EMB120 into St. George, Utah (Old airport). Bouncy as heck coming in, late touchdown followed by hard braking right to
32 ferminbrif : The complete list of the world's ten most extreme airports, according to the History Channel, follows: 01 - Tenzing-Hillary Airport (LUA), aka Lukla A
33 Post contains images RobK : Love the comments edited into the Lukla video in the first post.
34 zippyjet : Isn't ironic, that some of the best pictures are of jumbos landing at this airport right over the beach! A tropical ocean beach, Boeing 747's and hot
35 Post contains links trystero : Please check the geography. Madeira is the biggest island in Madeira archipelago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeira Azores is an archipelago. http
36 Luftfahrer : Has anybody ever considered LCY? It has a fairly short (1,508 m) and narrow runway and is surrounded by water for the most part as well as obstacles.
37 ca2ohHP : I'm kind of surprised Telluride, CO (KTEX) isn't mentioned.
38 TVNWZ : The order in the article is reversed. Most dangerous at the bottom.
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