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Baltia Aims For Q2 Launch  
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

From Baltia's own spin department; the airline has nearly completed the FAA Cert process and is aiming for a Q2 2011 launch....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Baltia...nd-prnews-4152060854.html?x=0&.v=1

Do you all think this is the real deal or more "we are working on it" spin?

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Thread starter):
Do you all think this is the real deal or more "we are working on it" spin?

In my opinion it's put out there to keep the penny stock action alive. They're not even flying and yet they have even more common stock shares issued than Southwest.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Thread starter):
Baltia Aims For Q2 Launch

Was I the only one that thought "What year?" when seeing that headline?



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

I wonder who did the traffic/revenue forecast for them that they want to deploy B747 on those routes.
I highly doubt they will ever get off the ground, but if it ever happens, I cannot even imagine what the loads will be on B747 flying JFK-LED.


User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Sounds like a great airline with some really good ideas etc, but I can't see them needing any more than an A318 for that sort of routing 

Tom

[Edited 2011-01-07 10:13:53]


Flown On: A319/A320/A321/A332/A333/AT45/734/736/738/744/DH8D/T204/T154/IL62/T134/IL-18/An-24
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Was I the only one that thought "What year?" when seeing that headline?

BRAHAHAHA...yea, i left the year out intentionally...glad you caught it   

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 4):
Sounds like a great airline with some really good ideas etc, but I can't see them needing any more than an A318 for that sort of routing

I was thinking more along the lines of E145-EEELLLLRRRR

All snarkyness aside...I am with ScottB on the activity of their penny stock. I am curious to know if anyone at the SEC is looking into this as well.


User currently onlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

I see from their website that they have a 742, I don't recognise the livery and don't see a reg. on the aircraft. Anybody know where they got it from? Certainly looks to be another one of those pie-in-the-sky ideas!

Cheers

MCO 2 BRS


User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

This airline has been "launching" for at least a decade or more...as much as I'd like to see anything to LED non stop from the US, running a 747-200 in this high priced jet fuel era seems like a non starter to me...

User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 6):
I don't recognise the livery and don't see a reg. on the aircraft.

It is an ex. PIA aircraft dont know the reg i will check and find out.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Was I the only one that thought "What year?" when seeing that headline?

Haha that makes at least two of us  
Quoting beryllium (Reply 3):
I highly doubt they will ever get off the ground, but if it ever happens, I cannot even imagine what the loads will be on B747 flying JFK-LED.
Quoting tsnamm (Reply 7):
running a 747-200 in this high priced jet fuel era seems like a non starter to me...

I am also very much surprised by their choice for a 747-200. If they would have acquired a second-hand 767-300ER, that would make some sense. Or, if they want something bigger, of have troubles getting ETOPS, a second hand 340-300 would be a better fit.

But a 747-200... It even still requires a Flight Engineer...


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 8):
It is an ex. PIA aircraft dont know the reg i will check and find out.

It's this one: http://www.planespotters.net/Product.../21035,N705BL-Baltia-Air-Lines.php
Had its first flight on 27-02-1975 as CS-TJD (belonging first to TAP, then to PIA)

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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 9):
I am also very much surprised by their choice for a 747-200. If they would have acquired a second-hand 767-300ER, that would make some sense. Or, if they want something bigger, of have troubles getting ETOPS, a second hand 340-300 would be a better fit.

But a 747-200... It even still requires a Flight Engineer...

Maybe they got it for a rock bottom price and would cost them less to launch operations that way,


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

I'd say - if Transaero did not do it - nobody would possibly do it.
UN is very active in St.Petersburg.
They arranged regular service from LED to:
Bangkok
Punta Cana
Varadero
Tokyo.

They also started LED-DME service which makes easy transafer to UN DME-JFK flights.

I give credit to Baltia guys for their persistence - but I don't see any demand.
The 4 million St.Petersburg generates a lot of VFR traffic to US.
But it is not strong enough to open the direct route.
There are 30+ LED-MOW flights day
There are like 20 of LED-MOW trains a day.
And there is unlimited number of options to fly from LED to US via European capitals.

[Edited 2011-01-09 01:34:00]

User currently offlineokay From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3875 times:

Hello,

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
And there is unlimited number of options to fly from LED to US via European capitals.

I for one am surprised to learn there is no direct traffic between LED and US? Is it really so? What is the reason for this?

I do have, though, big doubts about the whole Baltia operations. A brought-back-from-dead-742 to start with... What did they think? Well, we'll see what happens, it will be interesting to see if that grandma of the skies ever takes off from JFK bound for Russia!


okAY


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 11):
Maybe they got it for a rock bottom price and would cost them less to launch operations that way,

But still... a 1975-built frame, last use for Hadj flights in 2005 and stored since then. Only the maintenance checks to make it airworthy again must cost a fortune...

And then, the fuel burn per flight, the 3-crew cockpit, the navigation and landing fees with the aircraft's MTOW, the maintenance costs and spare part availability, the risk of dispatch reliability...

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
I'd say - if Transaero did not do it - nobody would possibly do it.
UN is very active in St.Petersburg.

DL or CO would be two other airlines that could make a theoretical chance on such a route. Using a 762 or 763, flying it 4x weekly but offering daily connection opportunities via AMS/CDG (DL) or CPH/FRA/MUC (CO). But then, they probably have a good reason not to fly the route.


User currently offlineB735 From Denmark, joined Oct 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quote:
It's this one: http://www.planespotters.net/Product.../21035,N705BL-Baltia-Air-Lines.php
Had its first flight on 27-02-1975 as CS-TJD (belonging first to TAP, then to PIA)



Worth noting is that PIA scapped this particular livery in 1999, so it gives you an idea of just how long this aircraft have been stored...


User currently offlineiceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Beyond the utter insanity of starting a route that seems to be a bit on the 'lack of OD traffic' with no feeder traffic the choice of aircraft is perplexing to say the least. I know age wise it wouldn't be much better but given the fact that unless you're paying people to be on that plane I don't see any way that you could fill a 742 consistently a smaller cheaper to operate plane would make more sense, and even one of the old trijets, L1011, DC10 or even MD11 make more sense. I'd almost venture that a DC-8 stretch might make more sense (that's how far out there I think they're going with the 742)

What I really don't understand is can they really not find a 762 or 763 or A310 or some other sort of slightly newer aircraft to lease cheap that would have a much better shot of being able to be filled? I mean even if you're not filling a 742 the break even numbers on that big of airplane with that thirsty of engines and a third crew member, and maintainence on a 35 year old airframe must be mind boggling.

Decent idea, poor execution, I don't give it much a of a chance if someone can't figure out more realistic expectations for the airline.



Erik Berg (Foster's is over but never forgotten)
User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Quoting okay (Reply 13):
I for one am surprised to learn there is no direct traffic between LED and US? Is it really so? What is the reason for this?

Me too. Considering LED is Russia's second city, and I believe New York is one of America's largest too. Makes perfect sense for there to be a direct link between the two. Don't forget LED is very close to Estonia and Latvia as well.

A 742 though? Will be fantastic to see one of these old birds back in the sky, would love to try and get a ride on it.


User currently offlineokay From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Does this whole story sound to you guys like the story of Family Airlines back in 1990's? Big dreams that never came to materialise. Found this youtube clip about Family Airlines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGEuxtdqZc

okAY


User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting noelg (Reply 17):
Don't forget LED is very close to Estonia and Latvia as well.

Don't forget that we need a visa to go to Russia and this is both, time consuming and expensive. For Estonians it is 20 min. hop from TLL to HEL and you can catch AY -s HEL-JFK flight.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Many residents of St.Petersburg use AY for HEL-JFK.
AY was very active in the 90ies for getting traffic from MOW.
These days competition in MOW hub is tense.
But it is a usual option for people living in St.Petersburg.


User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
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Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 6):
I see from their website that they have a 742, I don't recognise the livery and don't see a reg. on the aircraft. Anybody know where they got it from? Certainly looks to be another one of those pie-in-the-sky ideas!

They have also bought one of the ex-NW 742s N623US from Kalitta.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 11):
Maybe they got it for a rock bottom price and would cost them less to launch operations that way

It looks like they managed to get the plane (without engines) for a bit under $600,000 (and they were able to pay for $25,000 of that in stock).

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 16):
What I really don't understand is can they really not find a 762 or 763 or A310 or some other sort of slightly newer aircraft to lease cheap that would have a much better shot of being able to be filled?

It's harder to get authority to operate ETOPS flights, although it clearly is not impossible considering that MAXjet, Eos, Silverjet, and l'Avion managed to do so. Of course, all of the latter had much better financing, too.

At least as of 9/30/2010, they didn't even have enough cash on hand to fill the tanks of that 747-200 with jet fuel.


User currently offlinetxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Did anyone else notice that the name of their Frequent Flyer program is "Freeloaders?"

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

It is still intriguing, I know.
Russian Jewish immigrants in N.Y. are smart.
And educated.
And not losers.

There should be something behind the business plan.
Some weird ideas cross my tired pre-vacation mind:
maybe they want to sell it then to Transaero and establish Transaero U.S.?
I dono. But interesting.
I like guys who are persistent. I personally always lacked this.


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