cessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 268 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8032 times:
DL is rolling out nonstop service to ALB and PVD from RDU starting April 1st. Official announcement expected soon. However their interactive route map has been updated.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7976 times:
Interesting. I guess only time will tell on these risky routes.
catiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2279 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7975 times:
Interesting. I wonder what market they're going after here? Maybe poach some traffic from WN who has to connect those passengers in the RDU-ALB/PVD market in BWI or PHL?
futureuscapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 761 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7874 times:
Good luck, they'll need it - especially on ALBRDU. With PVDRDU, they can at least hope to capture some of the traffic that may currently be leaking to BOS, plus the schedule is conducive to business travelers (or as good as it can be with 1x daily); ALBRDU has neither of those advantages.
DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7705 times:
Only time will tell. WN does carry a lot of pax on ALB-BWI-RDU, so maybe DL can catch some of that traffic. I wonder why the route was started from ALB and not BUF. Interesting.
The first mistake, I believe, is the flight time. I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.
I don't know why PVD departs early, and ALB departs late.
I wish DL luck, and I look forward to trying this route next summer. Should be a lot cheaper than the CLT-ALB nonstop.
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): I don't know why PVD departs early, and ALB departs late.
The ALB aircraft ties into the JFK turn (PVD does not have JFK) so the bad news for ALB is that 7pm ALB-RDU will probably be late
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7677 times:
As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7580 times:
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 9): As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7343 times:
Any word on who will be operating the route? My initial guess would have been either Comair or ASA depending on how they will route the a/c through RDU.
Well, looking at the flight# range, leaning more towards Pinnacle & or Mesaba.
[Edited 2011-01-07 18:07:51]
CAM2:"Lightning coming out of that one." CAM1: "What?"
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11): Well, looking at the flight# range, leaning more towards Pinnacle & or Mesaba.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7297 times:
toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3221 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7272 times:
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7247 times:
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):
No problem. With the way the Connection carriers move around these days, sometimes you never know.
no kidding, Just because its 9E today doesn't mean it wont be EV tomorrow.
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
sectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7152 times:
Good for PVD. Up yours AA if PVD was not good enough for you keep out!
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6993 times:
Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): Only time will tell. WN does carry a lot of pax on ALB-BWI-RDU, so maybe DL can catch some of that traffic.
Maybe, but because of this...
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.
It's going to be a problem. If people are trying to get to RDU from ALB, I'd be confident in saying they'd want to get there earlier in the morning, and not at night. This is such a weird route it's not even funny. Especially with DL running it.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 31 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
Quoting futureuscapt (Reply 6): DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.
Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 19): Yes, it is. DL has a few gates at PVD that aren't being used. They have so much rust on them!
...and perhaps DL isn't quite ready to park all of the CRJ-200s of their Connection fleets just yet...so voila...a pair of new routes that are "head scratchers" or among things that make one say "huh?"
Archer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6178 times:
When dear ole' AA served ALB and RDU was a hub we (ALB) had 3 MD-80's per DAY!
That was then and this is now.
A lot has changed in the airline industry since then, needless to say.
So why did I say it??
pvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6152 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18): Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights
It is a pure RON operation, so I'd say that the aircraft is made up from RDU flying. It does RDU-PVD 1910-2110, stays overnight and goes out PVD-RDU 0700-0900 the next morning. The PVD-DCA schedule is also independant - all 3 flights go back and forth between PVD & DCA with 1 of them a RON. Interestingly enough, as it stands right now, there are 3 Pinnacle RON's and 3 turns during the day in the April PVD schedule now, so I suppose they could crossover some of those crews overnight.
Does anyone know if there is a Pinnacle crew base in RDU or DCA? If no, then these new PVD flights must be fed by DTW crews.
25 ERJ170: More Information to add.. MIA & RSW ends April 30 RDU-MIA: DL3770 RDU-RSW: DL3764 LAX Starts May 1, 2011 Sun/Thur/Fri; Goes Daily June 9th; Aircr
26 davescj: Why end MIA? That would seem to be a bigger city to pick up traffic. Interesting to see LAX RDU coming back. What I don't understand is the logic of A
27 lat41: A good supply of business travelers between Southern New England and the Research Triangle area around Raleigh/Durham now scattered between one stop
28 CIDFlyer: [quote=davescj,reply=26]Why end MIA? im going to guess going up against AA 738's vs DL CRJ's people will take AA any given day.
29 FSDan: DL was only operating it on Saturdays anyway. MIA-RDU is a fairly pointless route with 50 seats a week.
30 Cubsrule: The problem, though, is that with a single daily flight you are losing out on probably 50 percent of the traffic - in the best case. Even if they fil
31 FlyASAGuy2005: I've always heard people complain about the times for LAX on DL out of RDU. These seem to be much better. At lease the LAX-RDU end. Could the westbou
32 Overeasy: I'm sure you're right. DL seems to have a long history of starting routes and then discontinuing them or decreasing service to less than daily. The "
33 ERJ170: I just did a sample of the fares.. RDU-PVD was a whopping $839 departing May 17, returning May 20.. RDU-ALB was $430 departing May 17, returning May
34 DCA-ROCguy: What $120 oil? That's a supplier's dream, at least beyond a very brief spike. Either suppliers will provide enough oil to keep it below $100 (and rea
35 Cubsrule: I'd agree - but last time there was a relatively brief spike to that level, DL cut flying left and right. Why would the next spike be any different?
36 pvd757: Given the current schedule, which of course could change a bit at least, and the build-up of RDU, there is some connecting options available on the PV
37 Cubsrule: 2 observations: 1) The premium isn't as much as you'd think. For instance, in IND-BOS - a route with a similar competitive dynamic - DL gets less tha
39 futureuscapt: The problem is that since that time fares to BOS have come down considerably. Much of that traffic that was headed to PVD, is likely now permanently
40 ERJ170: Didn't Comair have repairs to their aircraft performed at RDU even though they didn't have a base here? I remember, back in the day, that DL used to
41 Cubsrule: It's probably a low estimate - 11 or 12 is probably more realistic. I'd say 18-19 is a pretty sensible guess for a worst case fuel price wise, though
42 rduddji: Thanks DL, nice to see the new flights. Hopefully they'll stick around. RDU-ALB? That's an interesting one. I guess AA was the last to do that when th
43 USAirALB: It is important to note that with AAs hub, ALB and PVD lasted longer than most cities, even longer than SYR, ROC, IAD, MCO, TPA, ATL, even BUF. For e
44 rduoodl: Comair has MX in RDU, no crew base however. DL keeps 10 RON RJs in RDU nightly, going to 13 on the weekend (sometimes with an OH spare.)
45 pvd757: There are a few and I highlighted them in reply number 36.
46 LAXintl: According to this news story, the LAX service is seasonal. http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...adds-two-new-rdu-destinations.html
47 ERJ170: That report has got so many facts wrong.. ALB and PVD starts April 1, not April 11... LAX starts May 1, not May 5.. PVD has a lot more than just leis
Sponsor Message: 
From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 268 posts, 
From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 301 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
