futureuscapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 764 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8625 times:
Good luck, they'll need it - especially on ALBRDU. With PVDRDU, they can at least hope to capture some of the traffic that may currently be leaking to BOS, plus the schedule is conducive to business travelers (or as good as it can be with 1x daily); ALBRDU has neither of those advantages.
DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.
The first mistake, I believe, is the flight time. I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.
I don't know why PVD departs early, and ALB departs late.
I wish DL luck, and I look forward to trying this route next summer. Should be a lot cheaper than the CLT-ALB nonstop.
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4609 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8428 times:
As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2843 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8331 times:
Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 9): As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 738 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7599 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): Only time will tell. WN does carry a lot of pax on ALB-BWI-RDU, so maybe DL can catch some of that traffic.
Maybe, but because of this...
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.
It's going to be a problem. If people are trying to get to RDU from ALB, I'd be confident in saying they'd want to get there earlier in the morning, and not at night. This is such a weird route it's not even funny. Especially with DL running it.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3777 posts, RR: 30 Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7273 times:
Quoting futureuscapt (Reply 6): DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.
Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 19): Yes, it is. DL has a few gates at PVD that aren't being used. They have so much rust on them!
...and perhaps DL isn't quite ready to park all of the CRJ-200s of their Connection fleets just yet...so voila...a pair of new routes that are "head scratchers" or among things that make one say "huh?"
pvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3395 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6903 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18): Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights
It is a pure RON operation, so I'd say that the aircraft is made up from RDU flying. It does RDU-PVD 1910-2110, stays overnight and goes out PVD-RDU 0700-0900 the next morning. The PVD-DCA schedule is also independant - all 3 flights go back and forth between PVD & DCA with 1 of them a RON. Interestingly enough, as it stands right now, there are 3 Pinnacle RON's and 3 turns during the day in the April PVD schedule now, so I suppose they could crossover some of those crews overnight.
Does anyone know if there is a Pinnacle crew base in RDU or DCA? If no, then these new PVD flights must be fed by DTW crews.
25 ERJ170: More Information to add.. MIA & RSW ends April 30 RDU-MIA: DL3770 RDU-RSW: DL3764 LAX Starts May 1, 2011 Sun/Thur/Fri; Goes Daily June 9th; Aircr
26 davescj: Why end MIA? That would seem to be a bigger city to pick up traffic. Interesting to see LAX RDU coming back. What I don't understand is the logic of A
27 lat41: A good supply of business travelers between Southern New England and the Research Triangle area around Raleigh/Durham now scattered between one stop
28 CIDFlyer: [quote=davescj,reply=26]Why end MIA? im going to guess going up against AA 738's vs DL CRJ's people will take AA any given day.
29 FSDan: DL was only operating it on Saturdays anyway. MIA-RDU is a fairly pointless route with 50 seats a week.
30 Cubsrule: The problem, though, is that with a single daily flight you are losing out on probably 50 percent of the traffic - in the best case. Even if they fil
31 FlyASAGuy2005: I've always heard people complain about the times for LAX on DL out of RDU. These seem to be much better. At lease the LAX-RDU end. Could the westbou
32 Overeasy: I'm sure you're right. DL seems to have a long history of starting routes and then discontinuing them or decreasing service to less than daily. The "
33 ERJ170: I just did a sample of the fares.. RDU-PVD was a whopping $839 departing May 17, returning May 20.. RDU-ALB was $430 departing May 17, returning May
34 DCA-ROCguy: What $120 oil? That's a supplier's dream, at least beyond a very brief spike. Either suppliers will provide enough oil to keep it below $100 (and rea
35 Cubsrule: I'd agree - but last time there was a relatively brief spike to that level, DL cut flying left and right. Why would the next spike be any different?
36 pvd757: Given the current schedule, which of course could change a bit at least, and the build-up of RDU, there is some connecting options available on the PV
37 Cubsrule: 2 observations: 1) The premium isn't as much as you'd think. For instance, in IND-BOS - a route with a similar competitive dynamic - DL gets less tha