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DL To Start RDU-ALB/PVD  
User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9488 times:

DL is rolling out nonstop service to ALB and PVD from RDU starting April 1st. Official announcement expected soon. However their interactive route map has been updated.

RDU-ALB: DL3764 Dept. 10:45-Arr. 12:45
ALB-RDU: DL3693 Dept. 19:10-Arr. 21:10

RDU-PVD: DL3984 Dept. 19:10-Arr. 21:10
PVD-RDU: DL3817 Dept. 7:00-Arr. 9:00

Equipment CRJ-200

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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Interesting. I guess only time will tell on these risky routes.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Interesting. I wonder what market they're going after here? Maybe poach some traffic from WN who has to connect those passengers in the RDU-ALB/PVD market in BWI or PHL?

User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

According to RDU staff, approx. 55,000 people travel between RDU and ALB each year. So about 150 pax a day. Not sure about PVD.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9378 times:

Interesting flight times... Good to see DL trying some new things.

User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
I guess only time will tell on these risky routes.

PVD-RDU had over 200-250 O&D at the peak so there is some opportunity there.

great to see 2 new routes on DL in PVD for this spring



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User currently offlinefutureuscapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Good luck, they'll need it - especially on ALBRDU. With PVDRDU, they can at least hope to capture some of the traffic that may currently be leaking to BOS, plus the schedule is conducive to business travelers (or as good as it can be with 1x daily); ALBRDU has neither of those advantages.

DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

Quoting futureuscapt (Reply 6):
especially on ALBRDU.

Only time will tell. WN does carry a lot of pax on ALB-BWI-RDU, so maybe DL can catch some of that traffic. I wonder why the route was started from ALB and not BUF. Interesting.

Quoting cessna2 (Thread starter):
ALB-RDU: DL3693 Dept. 19:10-Arr. 21:10

The first mistake, I believe, is the flight time. I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.

I don't know why PVD departs early, and ALB departs late.

I wish DL luck, and I look forward to trying this route next summer. Should be a lot cheaper than the CLT-ALB nonstop.



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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
I don't know why PVD departs early, and ALB departs late.

The ALB aircraft ties into the JFK turn (PVD does not have JFK) so the bad news for ALB is that 7pm ALB-RDU will probably be late



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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 9):
As for those questioning PVD-RDU, with AA ran it, there was a brief period of time that PVD-RDU was carrying more pax than BDL-RDU... Id say its definitely a good example of a 2x CRJ market (assuming a decent airline base on either/both ends) meaning US or DL

I think they will both do fine.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Thread starter):



Any word on who will be operating the route? My initial guess would have been either Comair or ASA depending on how they will route the a/c through RDU.

Well, looking at the flight# range, leaning more towards Pinnacle & or Mesaba.

[Edited 2011-01-07 18:07:51]


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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
Well, looking at the flight# range, leaning more towards Pinnacle & or Mesaba.

Pinnacle.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 12):
Pinnacle.

Thanks



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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
Any word on who will be operating the route?

Those look like Pinnacle flight numbers.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Thanks

No problem. With the way the Connection carriers move around these days, sometimes you never know.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9559 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):

No problem. With the way the Connection carriers move around these days, sometimes you never know.

no kidding, Just because its 9E today doesn't mean it wont be EV tomorrow.



yep.
User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Good for PVD. Up yours AA if PVD was not good enough for you keep out!

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights


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User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 5):
great to see 2 new routes on DL in PVD for this spring

Yes, it is. DL has a few gates at PVD that aren't being used. They have so much rust on them!

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights

Either DCA or DTW


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 19):
Either DCA

Oh yes, I forgot DCA.

I'm still curious to see why DL picked ALB and not BUF.



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User currently offlinekstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Only time will tell. WN does carry a lot of pax on ALB-BWI-RDU, so maybe DL can catch some of that traffic.

Maybe, but because of this...

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
I believe it would do better with an AM departure out of ALB and a PM departure out of RDU. If DL had an earlier departure, they may be able to pick up some connecting traffic.

It's going to be a problem. If people are trying to get to RDU from ALB, I'd be confident in saying they'd want to get there earlier in the morning, and not at night. This is such a weird route it's not even funny. Especially with DL running it.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

Quoting futureuscapt (Reply 6):
DL has done some, shall I say, interesting things lately with its regional network. At the end of the day, this one is another head scratcher.
Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 19):
Yes, it is. DL has a few gates at PVD that aren't being used. They have so much rust on them!

...and perhaps DL isn't quite ready to park all of the CRJ-200s of their Connection fleets just yet...so voila...a pair of new routes that are "head scratchers" or among things that make one say "huh?"


User currently offlineArcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7634 times:
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When dear ole' AA served ALB and RDU was a hub we (ALB) had 3 MD-80's per DAY!

That was then and this is now.

A lot has changed in the airline industry since then, needless to say.
So why did I say it??


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
Where does the PVD flight come from seeing as they have no JFK flights

It is a pure RON operation, so I'd say that the aircraft is made up from RDU flying. It does RDU-PVD 1910-2110, stays overnight and goes out PVD-RDU 0700-0900 the next morning. The PVD-DCA schedule is also independant - all 3 flights go back and forth between PVD & DCA with 1 of them a RON. Interestingly enough, as it stands right now, there are 3 Pinnacle RON's and 3 turns during the day in the April PVD schedule now, so I suppose they could crossover some of those crews overnight.

Does anyone know if there is a Pinnacle crew base in RDU or DCA? If no, then these new PVD flights must be fed by DTW crews.


25 ERJ170 : More Information to add.. MIA & RSW ends April 30 RDU-MIA: DL3770 RDU-RSW: DL3764 LAX Starts May 1, 2011 Sun/Thur/Fri; Goes Daily June 9th; Aircr
26 davescj : Why end MIA? That would seem to be a bigger city to pick up traffic. Interesting to see LAX RDU coming back. What I don't understand is the logic of A
27 lat41 : A good supply of business travelers between Southern New England and the Research Triangle area around Raleigh/Durham now scattered between one stop
28 CIDFlyer : [quote=davescj,reply=26]Why end MIA? im going to guess going up against AA 738's vs DL CRJ's people will take AA any given day.
29 FSDan : DL was only operating it on Saturdays anyway. MIA-RDU is a fairly pointless route with 50 seats a week.
30 Cubsrule : The problem, though, is that with a single daily flight you are losing out on probably 50 percent of the traffic - in the best case. Even if they fil
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : I've always heard people complain about the times for LAX on DL out of RDU. These seem to be much better. At lease the LAX-RDU end. Could the westbou
32 Overeasy : I'm sure you're right. DL seems to have a long history of starting routes and then discontinuing them or decreasing service to less than daily. The "
33 ERJ170 : I just did a sample of the fares.. RDU-PVD was a whopping $839 departing May 17, returning May 20.. RDU-ALB was $430 departing May 17, returning May
34 DCA-ROCguy : What $120 oil? That's a supplier's dream, at least beyond a very brief spike. Either suppliers will provide enough oil to keep it below $100 (and rea
35 Cubsrule : I'd agree - but last time there was a relatively brief spike to that level, DL cut flying left and right. Why would the next spike be any different?
36 pvd757 : Given the current schedule, which of course could change a bit at least, and the build-up of RDU, there is some connecting options available on the PV
37 Cubsrule : 2 observations: 1) The premium isn't as much as you'd think. For instance, in IND-BOS - a route with a similar competitive dynamic - DL gets less tha
38 KingAir200 : No. No outstation bases for 9E.
39 futureuscapt : The problem is that since that time fares to BOS have come down considerably. Much of that traffic that was headed to PVD, is likely now permanently
40 ERJ170 : Didn't Comair have repairs to their aircraft performed at RDU even though they didn't have a base here? I remember, back in the day, that DL used to
41 Cubsrule : It's probably a low estimate - 11 or 12 is probably more realistic. I'd say 18-19 is a pretty sensible guess for a worst case fuel price wise, though
42 rduddji : Thanks DL, nice to see the new flights. Hopefully they'll stick around. RDU-ALB? That's an interesting one. I guess AA was the last to do that when th
43 USAirALB : It is important to note that with AAs hub, ALB and PVD lasted longer than most cities, even longer than SYR, ROC, IAD, MCO, TPA, ATL, even BUF. For e
44 rduoodl : Comair has MX in RDU, no crew base however. DL keeps 10 RON RJs in RDU nightly, going to 13 on the weekend (sometimes with an OH spare.)
45 pvd757 : There are a few and I highlighted them in reply number 36.
46 Post contains links LAXintl : According to this news story, the LAX service is seasonal. http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...adds-two-new-rdu-destinations.html
47 ERJ170 : That report has got so many facts wrong.. ALB and PVD starts April 1, not April 11... LAX starts May 1, not May 5.. PVD has a lot more than just leis
48 sectflyer : Amy word on BDL-LAX resuming?
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