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End Of DL Service At YXU  
User currently offlineyulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

I just found out this terrible news today. DL has ended their longtime DTW-YXU service. They served London 3 times a day, recently upgraded to CRJ equipment.

Couldn't they have just downgraded back to prop equipment instead of cancelling?

I used to fly this route all the time, connecting to and from NRT. It was convenient and the flights were generally full (back then). What happened? Has UA cut into DL's traffic with their new ORD-YUL service? Is it the NW/DL merger? More competition in the YXU market? The economy? Negligence? What's up?

Bad news indeed.


"Celui qui diffère de moi, loin de me léser, m'enrichit." - Saint-Exupéry
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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

Wasn't this route a victim of the thinning out of the Saab fleet (or was it retirement?)? I recall YQT was in this position as well, a little while ago.


Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

Quoting yulguy (Thread starter):
What happened? Has UA cut into DL's traffic with their new ORD-YUL service?

Seeing that YXU is some 404 miles from YUL, how/why would UA's ORD-YUL service have an impact on DL's DTW-YXU traffic?

Quoting yulguy (Thread starter):
Couldn't they have just downgraded back to prop equipment instead of cancelling?

Isn't DL in the process of phasing out 'Connection' Saab 340s? Which Connection carrier and prop type would they put on DTW-YXU if they were to bring back the route using smaller equipment?

Since YXU is 126 miles from DTW and 89 miles from YYZ...perhaps DL figures YXU pax will drive to DTW or YYZ to board their flights? Kinda like the large numbers of pax from North of the border who drive from YVR to SEA or YWG to GFK to avoid pricey/high tax trans-border flights when flying to beyond points outside of Canada?


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

YXU was not making the money that Delta wanted. No demand = no service.

User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 2):
Seeing that YXU is some 404 miles from YUL, how/why would UA's ORD-YUL service have an impact on DL's DTW-YXU traffic?

I think the OP meant ORD-YXU. Probably did contribute, since you can earn Aeroplan miles on UA.

Quoting yulguy (Thread starter):
Couldn't they have just downgraded back to prop equipment instead of cancelling?

The saabs are leaving the fleet.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 2):
Since YXU is 126 miles from DTW and 89 miles from YYZ...perhaps DL figures YXU pax will drive to DTW or YYZ to board their flights?

DL has been dropping a lot of markets with no O&D. TOL-DTW, CVG-LEX, STC-MSP are just a few. Apparently they want the market to generate revenue to be self-sustaining.


User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

I don't think I have ever flown a full flight into YXU for United, even during the holidays. I think the best I've done is about 40 and they are usually 1/2 full or worse.


What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

traveled to YXU many times and the time from DTW to YXU could be driven faster than the connection and the flight time

I needed a cr anyway and the return choice out of DTW was way better than the select FEW that YXU offered ...



CV340/580DC3DC9super80MD88/90DC10717273747576777A319/20CRJ2/7/9F27AVROJET31CITAT5/7/XSAAB340YS11Dash8E135/45/75
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 4):
DL has been dropping a lot of markets with no O&D. TOL-DTW, CVG-LEX, STC-MSP are just a few. Apparently they want the market to generate revenue to be self-sustaining.

With the longest distance between any of the three city pairs above being 70 miles...is that perhaps a factor as well in DL's decision to drop them?



Quoting SLUAviator (Reply 5):
I don't think I have ever flown a full flight into YXU for United, even during the holidays. I think the best I've done is about 40 and they are usually 1/2 full or worse.

Let us keep in mind...just as a route whose flights are "always packed" does not necessarily = profitable, neither do half-full flights necessarily = unprofitable... 
Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 6):
traveled to YXU many times and the time from DTW to YXU could be driven faster than the connection and the flight time

Can say the same for STC-MSP based on my own experiences...having both driven and taken an express van service to MSP from the STC area to catch non-stop flights from MSP.

DL is no doubt well aware of the equation that operating costs increase rather dramatically in inverse proportion to flight distance and that virtually all of their customers effected by discontinued ultra-shorthaul flights will find alternate modes of transportation to their (relatively) nearby hubs...and continue to fly with DL 


User currently onlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

I think it is smart that DL is abandoning unprofitable and marginally profitable routes. I think that DL should keep London (Ontario) in its network and connect the city to DTW with some type of ground based transportation like a bus or van under the Delta brand. I think a 12-24 passenger vehicle would make sense as an alternative to driving your own vehicle to the DTW airport.


--cslusarc from YWG
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5151 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 8):
. I think that DL should keep London (Ontario) in its network and connect the city to DTW with some type of ground based transportation like a bus or van under the Delta brand.

There are two provider's of such a service right now. It is the Canadian taxes and fees on YXU originating passengers that are killing the air service . For example on the UA YXU-ORD round trip fare of $434 the taxes amount to $98 some 30% of the base fare.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

The other issue with YXU is that it is NOT a pre-cleared International station. This flight usually got into DTW around HKG/TPE/KIX/NRT all arrived.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 10):
The other issue with YXU is that it is NOT a pre-cleared International station. This flight usually got into DTW around HKG/TPE/KIX/NRT all arrived.

TPE-DTW has never existed and KIX-DTW hasn't been run for a few years.  


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