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G-VROM Lease To Aerosur  
User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Virgin Atlantic'c G-VROM B747 400 has been on lease to Aerosur for almost 18 months her lease expires in April will she go back to Virgin or is the contract been extended ??  

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

I believe that CP-2603 (that was once G-VROM) is leased to Aerosur by GECAS. It seems to me that it is most unlikely that VS would seek to lease it after Aerosur terminate its leasing agreement.

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

No I meant will Virgin Atlantic have it back in its fleet after the lease ? and is it likely to expire in april as its almost 18 months since they acquired it besides it looks awful in those colours will be cool to her wearing her Virgin dress once again I love this aircraft as it was used on my very 1st LGW-LAS flight in 2007..

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

Quoting vegasdude (Reply 2):
No I meant will Virgin Atlantic have it back in its fleet after the lease ?

As I said before:

1. VS do not own the aircraft
2. It is most unlikely that having disposed of a specific aircraft any airline is going to either buy it back or lease it again.

Note that VS sold this aircraft to GECAS in May 2001 and then leased it back. They then returned it to GECAS at the end of that lease. Since then (November 2009) VS have had no financial interest in this aircraft .

VS have a large number of new aircraft on order. Indeed their first A330, G-VSXY, is due for delivery in the same month as the Aerosur lease on CP-2603 expires. I think that it is most unlikely that VS will seek to either buy or lease a 10 year old 744 or any other second hand aircraft just as a stream of new aircraft will start to be delivered to them. Indeed it is possible that one or more other aircraft may leave the fleet later this year as VS receive the 5 new 330s scheduled to be delivered to them before year end.

What is more probable is that Aerosur may negotiate an extension to their current lease of CP-603.


User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9862 times:

thanks VV701 for the info would be cool though to see her back in VS colours as it just looks like a TOY at the moment oh well see what Virgin do.. what annoys me too is that plane was all sprayed up in new colours too they could have leased out G-VXLG or G-VAST or G-VTOP as they needed spraying?? why lease a newly painted 747 400 only for it then to be sprayed again?? The A330 sounds exciting but it will be suited more for the leisure routes especially MAN-MCO it won't fly the Las Vegas route no doubt. Mind you Aerosur have only painted the tail and stuck decals on the bird thats about it but boy she looked stunning in the VS colours anyways finger crossed I hope to see her grace the tarmac at Gatwick soon all been well ..

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

BA sold G-ZZZE right after it was painted in the new BA colours. It depends whether the agreement is a sublease, which I think it is. At the end of the sublease, the aircraft would return to Virgin I ahve heard may return it to service. The A330s are going to allow the A343s to go and shuffle the fleet about in the short term.

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

Aircraft with most operators are covered by a bewhildering array of operating leases, loans etc. Genrally its only the older aircraft in the fleet which are fully paid for. Sometimes a sub fleet all purchased at the same time might have different financial arrangements.

In all likelihood, when VS had excess capacity G-VROM was the aircraft which was easiest to let go, it might have been at the end of its lease period, or the owner was more ameniable to taking it back as it had another operator interested. Or it may have been sub leased as suggested by someone else, in order to do this though you would need an owner who agreed to it, and sufficient time left on the lease to make it worthwhile.
Final point G-VROM was in the leisure orientated LGW layout, and this may have been a factor.
In short its very complicated, and without knowing the lease/ownership arrangements for all of VS's 747's impossible for an outsider to know the reasoning behind the decision.


User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9256 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
As I said before:

1. VS do not own the aircraft
2. It is most unlikely that having disposed of a specific aircraft any airline is going to either buy it back or lease it again.

Whilst I don't know the specifics, VS clearly still have some kind of interest in the aircraft because they provide mx support (in some capacity) for it in MAD.

Also, when the lease commenced the wording of the comms in the press was along the lines that Virgin were leasing the aircraft to Aerosur......hardly conclusive I know, but there's no reason to say it were it not the case.

Prior to the lease, another B744 was due to be parked up (G-VAST?) as it was due a D check. Very quickly the plan changed. G-VAST had its check and was RTS, and G-VROM went to Aerosur. Presumably, if G-VROM had been due to return to its lessor at almost exactly the same time they would have done just that, instead of looking at parking another identical airframe?



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineVIR744 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

G-VROM is on a sub-lease and will be returning to the VS fleet after a cabin reconfig.

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

cool will be good to have her back in full VS Livery as it looks like a big TOY right now LOL... is this defiantly going to happen then ? its lease is up this april as it will be 18 months since Aerosur had it.. will look good in the new revised livery of VS with those sparkling red engines and tail fin.. G-VROY is my favourite along with G-VFAB

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Any more B744s going to get painted this winter?

User currently offlinewilld From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Yes my understanding was that she is on sub lease to Aerosur and will be returning at some point in the near future.

VS went through a spell of cutting down capacity 2 346's (G-VATL and G-VGOA) were sent to LDE and have now returned back to the fleet. G-VROM was the other aircaft that was sent away, on lease to Aerosur, orginally it was planned for one of the other LGW 744s to be sent out to Aerosur (I cant recall which one off the top of my head) but for some reason it was switched to G-VROM, IIRC Aerosur were not happy with the number of cycles that the other aircraft had undertaken (well at least that was what VS crew were saying and were then subsequently warned about posting leasing info on sites like a.net and V-Flyer).


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Quoting vegasdude (Reply 9):
cool will be good to have her back in full VS Livery as it looks like a big TOY right now LOL...

I don't understand what's the problem you have with Aerosur flying 1 747. I admit their liveries might be a bit tacky, but it's nowadays, apart from Aerolineas Argentinas, the only 747 flying in Latin America and Bolivia is proud of it. As spotters we are supposed to like variety, so why is a world without a Bolivian 747 but 13 instead of 12 VS 747s, a better one?



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

As soon as this aircraft went to Aerosur the LGW fleet were down one plane, You would then see G-VFAB or G-VWOW or even G-VBIG all Heathrow Jets.. doing some LGW routes like BGI! I did fly on G-VROM at least twice both on Las Vegas Trips.. makes you think the desert is full of parked up 747-400s why didn't they get one from there?? lol oh well will see what happens I think there managing so far without it but of they get it back it will be grand and a pleasure to see it in VS colours again. The Livery it is in at the moment is awful doesn't do the big bird any justice, I think there all decals though the tail and winglets have been painted, the engines are the same but with two decals on them, the cabins are all untouched inside..

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

At the moment there is a rotation of the LHR B744 fleet through LGW as G-VFAB, G-VHOT and G-VBIG have all been operating to BGI recently. Indeed it would seem that the VS029 / 030 service has a LHR B744 dedicated, as it has often been rumoured to be moving round the M25.

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

haha can you imagine them sitting knee deep in M25 traffic lol..

User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

G-VROM was my first 744 flight MCO-LGW. I was kinda bummed to see her go to Aerosur too, but hey...as long as she's still flying, thats all I care about. Nothing beats flying VH-OEJ round trip LAX SYD though  

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

747LUVR@ haha cool well done well in sept 2007 we were doing the VS043 from Gatwick to Las Vegas on G-VROY but the airplane suffered a fuel leak in the engine on the ramp, we had not boared the 747 yet and Virgin announced a delay of 3 hours.. its was pot luck when they scrambled another inbound jet which was G-VROM which had come in from somewhere and was used for our flight to Las Vegas. I think VS has some of the best looking 747 400's in the world and the youngest fleet too.. If i lived near Gatwick id see them rotate every morning if i had it my way lol..

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

G-VROM B747 400 Virgin Atlantic


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting vegasdude (Reply 13):
You would then see G-VFAB or G-VWOW or even G-VBIG all Heathrow Jets.. doing some LGW routes like BGI!

This is intentional, as BGI has a higher premium demand than the rest of the LGW routes (hence BA use 4-class 777s to BGI instead of 3-class).


User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

likes theres just Virgin's 747 400s in the world only am sure the deserts full of used parked 744's wht take Virgin's lol well it seems they have had there fun out of it time to give it back now

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

I wonder which aircraft Aerosur will take to replace the 744 once the lease expires. In any case, I always thought that Aerosur should have painted the 744 in the same "Torisimo" livery as they did on their 743. That's a much nicer livery but they never should have painted the bull in yellow and red and the red engines. It all just doesn't mix good in my opinion. Their Sharko 767 is fantastically painted though, that's a very appealing design and is noticeable everywhere it goes!!!

A388


User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

all they did was paint the tail green the engines are Virgin red and again more cheap nasty decals.. pull the bull off and repaint the tail in red and add the VS titles hey presto were back to VS but my assumption is if this AC does head back to the VS fleet this April i gather they will spray it in the New VS scheme inline with the 3 other aircraft painted its a shame as nobody reaally has any concrete facts as to when this 744 is coming home

User currently offlinevegasdude From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

besides G-VROM had a varied route pattern too flying one day to Vegas then one day to Orlando then another to Havana or Barbados etc etc .. now I think it only flies to Madrid how boring! 

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Having seen G-VROM and having photographed G-VROM in both Virgin schemes, I wouldn't mind seeing CP-2603.

25 EICVD : Am I the only one thinking vegasdude's obsession with G-VROM is a bit weird?
26 vgnatl747 : Not at all. I logged in this morning and thought "this thread is still going on??". I'm not sure how many times in a thread the question can be reans
27 vegasdude : yes i am obsessed with G-VROM thank you very much after all this is an aviation enthusiast website you must be into ragg dolls or somet then!! cheek!
28 vegasdude : some people just haven't got a clue ! for all those nice people that have had time to read and respond on my post thanks so much in advance for your i
29 vegasdude : FYI EICVD G-VROM is special as it was flown by my uncle many times as he is a captain for Virgin Atlantic you satisfied now??
30 CX747 : There is nothing wrong with having a soft spot in one's heart for a certain aircraft. I can still remember the tail number of the Cessna 152 I did the
31 vegasdude : thanks CX747 glad u agree with me! some people just have not got a clue really and yet this is an "aviation site" I say i wasn't obsessed with G-VROM
32 EICVD : Someone needs to relax! Id hate to see your reaction if someone actually did offend you. Yes probably 100% of us on here have soft spots for certain
33 Post contains images vegasdude : Ok buddy no worries its cool best wishes EICVD [Edited 2011-01-12 08:26:16]
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